Theorycrafting TBC Dungeon 4-set

[DeLindsay]

I'm looking at these from a Level 15's perspective but I'm curious of the 20 Communities' thoughts about the 4-set Bonus from these TBC Dungeon Sets:

• CLOTH: Mana-Etched Regalia (8 SP on Harmful Spells at 15, worst Bonus of the 4 Sets)
  
• LEATHER: Wastewalker Armor (15 Agi at 15)
  
• MAIL: Desolation Battlegear (15 Agi at 15)
  
• PLATE: Doomplate Battlegear (18 Str at 15, best Bonus of the 4 Sets)

Looking the proc up on Wowhead it shows a 2% chance with no ICD. That means it could literally proc 1 second after the 1st time and just increase the duration by 1 second or not proc at all for a full 5 minutes. Here's the rub, in most of those Sets, 1 of the 5 pcs has no Sockets and in certain cases the Engineering Helm with Cog Wheels would be superior (single item) to the Set Helm.

For Doomplate in particular, the Legs have no Sockets vs the BiS non-Set has 3x Sockets losing (if you use 2/2 Gems) 6 Main Stat + 6 Secondary + 1 or 2 Socket Bonus Stat just to occasionally gain 18 Strength.

If we were to calculate a 1 PPM for the 4-set then you'd have an average of 4.5 Strength per second vs 6 Strength per second in Gems (not counting the 6 Secondary Stat & Socket Bonus). I know from personal testing that 1 Main stat is equal to 2 Versatility for throughput, but it's harder to value Haste, Mastery and Crit vs Main Stat.

To match ONLY the Main Stat loss from the 3x Gems in Legs for example, the 4-set proc would have to be active 20 seconds out of every minute putting it at roughly 1.33 PPM. If I had to guess, 6 Mastery/Haste/Crit is probably worth at least 3 Main Stat but maybe as little as 2. Going with 1 Main Stat always being worth 2 Secondary (not likely in all cases/Classes/Specs) then the loss of (3) 2/2 Gems = 9 Main Stat loss, add in the Socket Bonus and we'll round it to 10.

For the 4-set proc to match a permanent equivalent to 10 Main Stat then it would have to be active 33 seconds out of every minute or roughly 2.2 PPM. I haven't even begun to quantify the loss of the Eng Helm's double +10 Secondaries.

Have any of you 20's tested these Sets yet (beyond the 2-set that pretty much everyone goes for)? I'm curious to know what results you've seen because to me, as much as a +18 Str proc seems amazing, it just doesn't pan out on paper.

 

[Twinkit]

Hate to tell you but you can't get the 4 piece set at 15 or 20 for that matter. Some if not half of those drop off heroic mobs or heroic dungeons that require at least level 25. So unless you know a hack/glitch into those, you can't get them.

For example Doomplate set.
Doomplate Chestguard: drops from boss in Arcatraz (25-30)
Doomplate Legguards: drops from mob that only spawns in Heroic Auchenai Crypts (30)

 

[DeLindsay]

@Twinkit So the Adventure Guide is wrong? It shows 4/5 Doomplate available to 15, the Chest is 25.

 

[Buckeye]

What weapon enchant?
Crusader if STR build?

That might play a factor.

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[DeLindsay]

Hate to tell you but you can't get the 4 piece set at 15 or 20 for that matter. Some if not half of those drop off heroic mobs or heroic dungeons that require at least level 25. So unless you know a hack/glitch into those, you can't get them.

For example Doomplate set.
Doomplate Chestguard: drops from boss in Arcatraz (25-30)
Doomplate Legguards: drops from mob that only spawns in Heroic Auchenai Crypts (30)

I'm literally wearing the Legs on a 15.

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What weapon enchant?
Crusader if STR build?

That might play a factor.

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Right now I'm testing out Crusader MH and Lightless Force OH, Fury.

 

[Twinkit]

@Twinkit So the Adventure Guide is wrong? It shows 4/5 Doomplate available to 15, the Chest is 25.

You might be right about the plate legs, the leather shoulder set drops off of a spawned mob from the boss only on Heroic, not sure if the loot for the boss also is heroic specific or not.

So I'm only seeing that you can get the 4 piece set of the cloth and plate. not the leather or mail.

 

[Dpook]

@Twinkit my friend before posting please do research on 4 piece set your info has been misleading. Btw you can still get the 4 piece set bonus on the wastewalker set even though the shoulders do require heroic to loot. That is all

 

[Warglave]

I dont think the proc matches the tooltip on the doomplate, i have it on a level 29 (no idea what that used to be).

I can check it in a bit if you want.

 

[Chops]

as much as a +18 Str proc seems amazing, it just doesn't pan out on paper.

The big problem is you cant get the chest, so you have to run gloves, shoulders, helm and legs. Legs, as you've noted, have no sockets. As well, gloves and helm have no secondaries.

Thats a rough gear set up to to get a mediocre str proc. Esp when you dont really need it. Warriors arent exactly hurting in the output department, after all.

 

[Twinkit]

@Twinkit my friend before posting please do research on 4 piece set your info has been misleading. Btw you can still get the 4 piece set bonus on the wastewalker set even though the shoulders do require heroic to loot. That is all

Please tell me how? we would all like the information.

 

[Dpook]

The big problem is you cant get the chest, so you have to run gloves, shoulders, helm and legs. Legs, as you've noted, have no sockets. As well, gloves and helm have no secondaries.

Thats a rough gear set up to to get a mediocre str proc. Esp when you dont really need it. Warriors arent exactly hurting in the output department, after all.

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Please tell me how? we would all like the information.

@Twinkit if you go to the amazing Lvl 20 armory thread that was created, click on the feral druids, click on a few of there armories you will notice that a lot of the feral druids are rocking the 4 set. To my point early, don’t be lazy do research before posting misleading info! Xpoff has to many new members for poor information. Good day

 

[Twinkit]

What he said
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@Twinkit if you go to the amazing Lvl 20 armory thread that was created, click on the feral druids, click on a few of there armories you will notice that a lot of the feral druids are rocking the 4 set. To my point early, don’t be lazy do research before posting misleading info! Xpoff has to many bee members for poor information. Good day

The OP was asking as a level 15. (see original post) he was just asking the level 20 community b/c he knows they have experience with the sets. So can you get Wastewalker 4 piece set as a 15?

 

[Dpook]

@Twinkit a 4 piece wastewalker is still obtainable at lvl 15 lol. What don’t you understand

 

[DeLindsay]

The OP was asking as a level 15. (see original post) he was just asking the level 20 community b/c he knows they have experience with the sets. So can you get Wastewalker 4 piece set as a 15?

Honestly I only cared about the 20's Community's experience with Doomplate as I only have (1) LvL 15 and it's a Warrior. I put them all up in case anyone had specific knowledge of the Sets and how they perform vs non-Set pcs.

 

[Dpook]

Honestly I only cared about the 20's Community's experience with Doomplate as I only have (1) LvL 15 and it's a Warrior. I put them all up in case anyone had specific knowledge of the Sets and how they perform vs non-Set pcs.

@DeLindsay in my experience using both 4 piece set and BIS non 4 piece set. I found better output/sustain damage in non 4 piece set over the 4 piece set. Even tho the up keep time for the 4 piece is really good, I can confirm that the main stat proc has no CD and can confirm that I’ve gotten it to proc 4 times back to back. But to @Chops pov regarding warriors I 100% agree with him (says a lot especially since we both don’t like eachother ). So in conclusion IMO I would skip the doom plate.

 

[Twinkit]

@Twinkit a 4 piece wastewalker is still obtainable at lvl 15 lol. What don’t you understand

Wastewalker Tunic from Blood Furnace (10-30) obtainable at 15
Wastewalker Gloves from Shattered Halls (20-30) not obtainable at 15
Wastewalker Helm from Old Hillsbrad Foothills (15-30) obtainable at 15
Wastewalker Leggings from Mana Tombs (15-30) obtainable at 15
Wastewalker Shoulderpads from Auchenai Crypts Heroic (30) not obtainable at 15

and @DeLindsay I don't use any of the 4 piece set on my 15 Clamor b/c they are inferior.

 

[DeLindsay]

@Childishgankino Thank you, that's pretty much what I was after and what I figured, but just didn't have enough experience with the Sets to know for certain.

 

[Warglave]

So the proc buff text matched the tooltip at 29, said 33 on both but gave me 35 (probably a talent or something).

Took FOREVER to proc on a ret pally, I'd never suggest it for that spec at least... probably not for any.

 

[DeLindsay]

Thanks @Warglave

 

[Warglave]

I like all the two-piece bonuses tho... when you can work them in well with pieces that have secondary stats too.