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It’s a knock back at 19. 19 is all about positioning. A knock back in team fight on someone positioned well can ruin their positioning. I just can’t see how this is appealing to players.
If the kul'tiran knock had no counter play then I can see a reasoning for its ban, yet there clearly is so many different ways for its counter play. If you happen to be close enough to the enemy team to be knocked that's the risk YOU are taking.
The person going for the knock also has to be within the enemies team so that is the risk THEY are taking.
Hence equal reward for risk along with clear counter play.
Lets say kul'tiran knock was an instant cast. That would have no counter play and I'd agree that should be banned. But it has a limited range with a cast time which can easily be stopped or positioned better.
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The more I play, the less I see teamfights matter and it seems to be about aimed shot crits, heading towards ignoring individual player skill in fighting
The fact that you understand warsong gulch has always been a 10v10 battleground is why you have never understood how it was intended to work.

Secondly, the fact that LSN hasn't figured out how middle works this far is funny to me.
 
The fact that you understand warsong gulch has always been a 10v10 battleground is why you have never understood how it was intended to work.

Secondly, the fact that LSN hasn't figured out how middle works this far is funny to me.

The amount of shade you're trying to throw at me is absurd considering you haven't done or won anything in your attempts to say how clueless I or LSN is. I've never once questioned your ability as a player, yet every second comment I see from you is trying to flame my team. Your highest accolade for the bracket you've spent so long in is a grandfathered badge on xpoff. I disagree with your sentiment that Kul Tiran should be allowed and it devolves into you wanting to fight to the death with anybody assosciated with LSN. I thought you were good friends with Darkxd.
ThinkingFace

I understand, when, why, and how mid can be utilised, but I never actually mentioned mid at all.
I said teamfights, that's been my strength at every bracket I've ever played.
You did a solid job at ignoring my comments about twinking devolving into a budget-endgame bracket though, I'd love to see why knockbacks and more cc is good for the twink bracket in a way that's different from endgame.
Also trying to talk about game designer's intentions for a bracket that's been trodden for 15x longer than the development time is laughable.

Congrats on your potential TC 2019 Site badge, User #46.
 
The amount of shade you're trying to throw at me is absurd considering you haven't done or won anything in your attempts to say how clueless I or LSN is. I've never once questioned your ability as a player, yet every second comment I see from you is trying to flame my team. Your highest accolade for the bracket you've spent so long in is a grandfathered badge on xpoff. I disagree with your sentiment that Kul Tiran should be allowed and it devolves into you wanting to fight to the death with anybody assosciated with LSN. I thought you were good friends with Darkxd.
ThinkingFace

I understand, when, why, and how mid can be utilised, but I never actually mentioned mid at all.
I said teamfights, that's been my strength at every bracket I've ever played.
You did a solid job at ignoring my comments about twinking devolving into a budget-endgame bracket though, I'd love to see why knockbacks and more cc is good for the twink bracket in a way that's different from endgame.
Also trying to talk about game designer's intentions for a bracket that's been trodden for 15x longer than the development time is laughable.

Congrats on your potential TC 2019 Site badge, User #46.
Honestly I think since knock backs haven't been a thing at 19s and now we have the availability of it, people want to try it out. It adds another level of complexity us 19s haven't really had to face so far (bar ele sham knock way back when).
It's not technically meant for us, but we have access, so a lot of us see it as something to utilize.
 
Honestly I think since knock backs haven't been a thing at 19s and now we have the availability of it, people want to try it out. It adds another level of complexity us 19s haven't really had to face so far (bar ele sham knock way back when).
It's not technically meant for us, but we have access, so a lot of us see it as something to utilize.

And I can respect that opinion. I firmly disagree for many reasons stated previously, but if the majority of twinks want to play it, then majority wins. It is a community bracket, after all.
 
The amount of shade you're trying to throw at me is absurd considering you haven't done or won anything in your attempts to say how clueless I or LSN is. I've never once questioned your ability as a player, yet every second comment I see from you is trying to flame my team. Your highest accolade for the bracket you've spent so long in is a grandfathered badge on xpoff. I disagree with your sentiment that Kul Tiran should be allowed and it devolves into you wanting to fight to the death with anybody assosciated with LSN. I thought you were good friends with Darkxd.
ThinkingFace

I understand, when, why, and how mid can be utilised, but I never actually mentioned mid at all.
I said teamfights, that's been my strength at every bracket I've ever played.
You did a solid job at ignoring my comments about twinking devolving into a budget-endgame bracket though, I'd love to see why knockbacks and more cc is good for the twink bracket in a way that's different from endgame.
Also trying to talk about game designer's intentions for a bracket that's been trodden for 15x longer than the development time is laughable.

Congrats on your potential TC 2019 Site badge, User #46.

Because a TC Badge from Legion is the "Stanley Cup" of 19s
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The amount of shade you're trying to throw at me is absurd considering you haven't done or won anything in your attempts to say how clueless I or LSN is.
There is no shade, I find it funny, don't get upset, you might find that people dying in mass shootings is funny, that is your opinion. I don't have to attempt to show how clueless lsn or you are, it is clear.

I've never once questioned your ability as a player, yet every second comment I see from you is trying to flame my team.
I don't question your ability as a player, I think all of LSN are very skilled players, their game knowledge on the other hand is up to question. If I were to flame your team is because I'm showing how it feels for when your team cannot control themselves, although I articulate it better than most imo.

Your highest accolade for the bracket you've spent so long in is a grandfathered badge on xpoff. I disagree with your sentiment that Kul Tiran should be allowed and it devolves into you wanting to fight to the death with anybody assosciated with LSN. I thought you were good friends with Darkxd.
Ofc I have a grandfathered badge I've played twinks since I was 12. I actually know the warsong like the back of my hand. I choose to do what is best for the team and hence my dislike of the date changing, even I cannot attend that. There is nothing wrong about disagreeing with Kul'Tiran, and I believe in putting weak people into their rightful place. Dark is a great friend of mine and I have no beef with him he knows this, but when it comes to his team he knows you all act childish and deserve to be put into your place once in a while. I personally didn't want to play TC this year, but when you shit talk my friends you deserve your incoming failure.

I understand, when, why, and how mid can be utilised, but I never actually mentioned mid at all.
I said teamfights, that's been my strength at every bracket I've ever played.
You did a solid job at ignoring my comments about twinking devolving into a budget-endgame bracket though, I'd love to see why knockbacks and more cc is good for the twink bracket in a way that's different from endgame.
Also trying to talk about game designer's intentions for a bracket that's been trodden for 15x longer than the development time is laughable.
I was talking about your mid, your mid is a part of your team-fights and hence I find it laughable. Twinking used to have far more cc than it has now and it should be encouraged that more are being introduced. This has been a want in twinking since the end of mop and wod began the slow decent to having nearly 0 cc.

The game designer's intentions of twinking has always been we know it exists and we know people lvl through bgs or people want to farm others in world pvp. But when it begins to get out of hand is when they choose to fix it, kultiran isn't a game deciding factor that ruins the enjoyment of lvlers outside the twink bracket, and also it doesn't increase how well the few people who queue xp on and turn their xpoff when they enter the bg factor because believe me when something is too strong blizzard will always fix it if enough reports occur. If kul'tiran was going to be fixed they'll do it in the next patch like they do with most strong things that need to be fixed.
 
There are comp restrictions class and spec wise. Why is race not a concern.

Blizzard barely makes changes for end game (think pve gear), next to no one plays alliance at end game so kultiran will never be on their radar. That and the fact that comparing balance at endgame to twinks is absurd and a moot point.

Bans at twinks have always been community driven, unfortunately this community is self-serving.
 
There is no shade, I find it funny, don't get upset, you might find that people dying in mass shootings is funny, that is your opinion. I don't have to attempt to show how clueless lsn or you are, it is clear.

Interesting murder example there. Yeah man you definitely find players not wanting KT super hilarious lmao I tell jokes about it all the time.

There is nothing wrong about disagreeing with Kul'Tiran
Finally something we agree on.
and I believe in putting weak people into their rightful place.
Nevermind.
but when it comes to his team he knows you all act childish and deserve to be put into your place once in a while. I personally didn't want to play TC this year, but when you shit talk my friends you deserve your incoming failure.
Literally when have I ever seriously shit talked your friends? You keep saying You all, calling out each individual player. Do you want to instead specify who you're talking about?

I was talking about your mid, your mid is a part of your team-fights and hence I find it laughable.
All apples are fruit, but not all fruits are apples. I was strictly talking about my personal experience in teamfight, and you decided to bring mid into it as another attempt to flame my team. Don't pretend like you aren't trying to attack us at every turn.

Twinking used to have far more cc than it has now and it should be encouraged that more are being introduced. This has been a want in twinking since the end of mop and wod began the slow decent to having nearly 0 cc.

This is the only reasonable part of the conversation. I never experienced twinks with an abundance of abilities. I fail to see the reasoning of wanting a gameplay experience that is equal to max level mechanics-wise, but is imbalanced. It's just the classic twink mentality of wanting to crush noobs.

But when it begins to get out of hand is when they choose to fix it ... If kul'tiran was going to be fixed they'll do it in the next patch like they do with most strong things that need to be fixed.

This is just wrong and you know it. They don't intend grandfathered enchants to still be in-use.
They don't intend trade bugging. They don't intend a lot of things. But KT at lvl 19 will make them money, and it affects such a small subsect of the community that they won't even bother wasting the developer time to fix such a minor issue.
 
world of warecraft is a immerseve fantasy game and u guys are ruining their immersion by forcing them to play overweight characters smh shuld be ashamed tbh
 
Good luck with the tournament. Due to the date switching I can't make it. I feel betrayed.
 
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Those robes from 2006 are worse then a quest epic, and unlocking Kul'Tiran takes less time then 90% of u idiots rerolling for epics.
I have a different opinion and I will not insult other members because of it.

If the kul'tiran knock had no counter play then I can see a reasoning for its ban, yet there clearly is so many different ways for its counter play. If you happen to be close enough to the enemy team to be knocked that's the risk YOU are taking.
The person going for the knock also has to be within the enemies team so that is the risk THEY are taking.
Hence equal reward for risk along with clear counter play.
Lets say kul'tiran knock was an instant cast. That would have no counter play and I'd agree that should be banned. But it has a limited range with a cast time which can easily be stopped or positioned better.
the most op use of the racial i can think of is either knocking a fc off roof or into the enemy team in mid. its a horrible mechanic and its obviously miles ahead of every other racial. so why should this racial be allowed when things like feral druid were banned back when it was op? you can argue there were counter plays to ferals doing 3k bites back then too, just sit your whole team on the feral and problem solved. seriously fancy stop being a deluded freak.
 

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