10-19 The Official Twink Cup 2016 Thread

[lindenkron]

If you're basing a discussion on an arguement that holds no value then the entire discussion will hold no value.

Just making sure that doesn't happen.

Not sure why you're bringing up the video stuff. I don't mind that my video wasn't used. Not at all.

I never based my arguments on upon the fact that I (and mind you, a lot of other people) put an ass ton of hours into this. I'm simply stating that for people to get a grasp on how much they're straight up pissing down the throat of the people trying to actually for once, make something happen, properly. That is all my statement was for.

The video stuff was regarding your previous post, where you had concerns with the way things were formulated - to which Blackout stated, that if you have any concerns, it's the "missing" jumps being displayed in the video as legal jumps. Why would you think I was talking about your video? The only thing I mentioned in that regard, is the fact that I appreciate you making it since it was a good source of inspiration.

Eenie, meenie, minie, mo.

Every team should have had representation, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. You had to have tried really hard to goof that up.

Bravo.

Yea, every team. Just like the previous "twink cup committee" where every fucker and his mom had to get a word in. How did that turn out again?

Exactly. The group becomes too big, nothing happens and it ends up being 1 guy making the decision. A group of 7 people talking things through is not too small. It's close to too big to be honest.

 

[Conq]

it ends up being 1 guy making the decision.

And when that doesn't happen...

 

[anatomyx]

Yea, every team. Just like the previous "TC committee" where every fucker and his mom had to get a word in. How did that turn out again?

Exactly. The group becomes too big, nothing happens and it ends up being 1 guy making the decision. A group of 7 people talking things through is not too small. It's close to too big to be honest.

No one has issue with the size of the TC committee, just the people who were hand-picked to be in it

If you don't see the problem with only inviting representatives from certain teams and saying "fuck you" to the rest, then I don't really know what to say

 

[Darkchewie]

I never based my arguments on upon the fact that I (and mind you, a lot of other people) put an ass ton of hours into this. I'm simply stating that for people to get a grasp on how much they're straight up pissing down the throat of the people trying to actually for once, make something happen, properly. That is all my statement was for.

The video stuff was regarding your previous post, where you had concerns with the way things were formulated - to which Blackout stated, that if you have any concerns, it's the "missing" jumps being displayed in the video as legal jumps. Why would you think I was talking about your video? The only thing I mentioned in that regard, is the fact that I appreciate you making it since it was a good source of inspiration.


Yea, every team. Just like the previous "TC committee" where every fucker and his mom had to get a word in. How did that turn out again?

Exactly. The group becomes too big, nothing happens and it ends up being 1 guy making the decision. A group of 7 people talking things through is not too small. It's close to too big to be honest.

6 teams invited. Each team gets 1 representative. Add however many more of your organizing "team" that you want. You and your buds can have all the conversation you want about how to run it, I guarantee nobody would care enough to listen or want a "say". But EVERY team should have a vote on rules that are implemented, at least the 6 that are invited at this point. Any argument against it is moronic.

 

[Conq]

No offense, I have respect for all the guilds in a bracket, but a guild tag doesn't mean your qualified to be a tournament organizer, or at the very least - the best person for the job.

This tournament can either have 8 or 16 teams, lets say we get 16 teams, are they each suppose to have a say? That would be nearly as bad as the previous committee, if not worse.

 

[Darkchewie]

No offense, I have respect for all the guilds in a bracket, but a guild tag doesn't mean your qualified to be a tournament organizer, or at the very least the best person for the job.

Nobody is talking about a guild tag. If you do not agree that each TEAM should have 1 representative to vote on the rules you are lost. The make-up of the committee as it is has me wondering if you drunkenly put names in a hat. If you are going to hand-pick people like that and put them on the committee, you should at least have the decency to give each team a representative to vote on the rules. This isn't difficult stuff to understand.

Edit after your edit - Each team that is INVITED by you guys at this point (6 Teams) should have a vote.

 

[lindenkron]

No one has issue with the size of the TC committee, just the people who were hand-picked to be in it

If you don't see the problem with only inviting representatives from certain teams and saying "duck you" to the rest, then I don't really know what to say

No one was invited based off their team. I didn't know people personally before talking to them, but we talked to more than who's in the group now - and I personally got the impression after having dealt with these people, that it's very intelligent and more than capable people. Are you saying they're not? If so, name who you're unhappy with, and why. And possibly a better suited person. It needs to be someone that can raise concerns regarding scenario's, without being super bias on the subject - or stubborn enough to agree with/listen to what others have to say.

Also, why is this even an issue? Is there anything in any of this, that was decided by the 7 people that favours a certain team? If anything I believe it to be the opposite

6 teams invited. Each team gets 1 representative. Add however many more of your organizing "team" that you want. You and your buds can have all the conversation you want about how to run it, I guarantee nobody would care enough to listen or want a "say". But EVERY team should have a vote on rules that are implemented, at least the 6 that are invited at this point. Any argument against it is moronic.

All of the rules and decisions were made before the announcement of any teams invited. Your suggestion is basically what fucked up the last committee - because everyone and their mother thought they had the right to have a saying. If it's hosted by the NWL, which means all things regarding the management of the tournament, then the NWL has the final say(and the responsibility) in those matters.

As I've mentioned before, I don't know people here - and I only know what I've been informed regarding who would be suitable to have in the group to bounce ideas/potential issues back and forth with. And it went fluently with no issues (again, very much unlike your previous ways).

Nobody is talking about a guild tag. If you do not agree that each TEAM should have 1 representative to vote on the rules you are lost. The make-up of the committee as it is has me wondering if you drunkenly put names in a hat. If you are going to hand-pick people like that and put them on the committee, you should at least have the decency to give each team a representative to vote on the rules. This isn't difficult stuff to understand.

Edit after your edit - Each team that is INVITED by you guys at this point (6 Teams) should have a vote.

That sounds beautiful to me. How about we make sure all 9/10 people are there available everytime something needs to be discussed. Oh wait, your previous twink cup meetings never had full people there. It was random people every time, because no fucker took charge of anything - and there was too many chefs in the kitchen. So any decision made(the 1 decision made in 2 months), was made without the approval of everyone anyway. So whats the point?

 

[Conq]

Nobody is talking about a guild tag. If you do not agree that each TEAM should have 1 representative to vote on the rules you are lost. The make-up of the committee as it is has me wondering if you drunkenly put names in a hat. If you are going to hand-pick people like that and put them on the committee, you should at least have the decency to give each team a representative to vote on the rules. This isn't difficult stuff to understand.

We picked those we thought would be best for the job, do you mean to tell me that we need someone from each team to have a proper understanding of rules?

 

[Cheesetoast]

Are you saying they're not? If so, name who you're unhappy with

It's not that you are doing a bad job, it's just that you need to involve the team leaders, which has been agreed upon long ago

 

[Conq]

It's not that you are doing a bad job, it's just that you need to involve the team leaders, which has been agreed upon long ago

This cannot be a proper tournament if we have people in a group just for the sake of being there lol

 

[lindenkron]

It's not that you are doing a bad job, it's just that you need to involve the team leaders, which has been agreed upon long ago

I wasn't there when "your ways" were sat. All I can look at objectively, is the fact that what you've been doing before, wasn't working. Anyone who thinks/states that it did/was is delusional. The definition of insanity is doing the same shit over and over and expecting different results.

 

[Darkchewie]

We picked those we thought would be best for the job, do you mean to tell me that we need someone from each team to have a proper understanding of rules?

Correct me if I am wrong, but you left out 2 teams from the committee.. no? When you leave out leaders who have done so much for this cup since it was started in 2014, then yes, I will say you are not doing it right.

 

[(Hass)]

 

[Hunnybuns]

Yo guys, this thread looks baller, all of us can appreciate the fact that ALOT of work has gone into making this year's event possible, I think 95% of the details have been done right and in a fair manner. The 5% of issues that people want to have discussed have been discussed, no reason for anarchy here tinks. If you're out here trying to show off your little tink balls, please add me @ Fearthebuns on snapchat Organizers, got to block out your emotions to people that are just fishing for response.

We're all part of this community whether we like everyone or not, everyone in this event playing or organizing is commiting an inordinate amount of time into the tournament.

Let's show our appreciation for getting the ball rolling, now the real TC juices are flowing in my veins and ready to go.

Thanks for getting the thread going, looking forward to competing.

 

[Zeiren]

I don't agree with the decision of selecting these seven individuals to write up the tournament rules.

From what I'm reading above, there was a rule established stating that team leaders would be included in these rule committees.

I don't care if these seven individuals were hand picked for some attribute they bring to the table. Team leaders should have been included in the making of these important decisions as well. Why would you not want to have each team in agreement with each other?

After all, we are the ones playing in this tournament.

 

[Conq]

I don't care if these seven individuals were hand picked for some attribute they bring to the table. Team leaders should have been included in the making of these important decisions as well. Why would you not want to have each team in agreement with each other?

Circle Jerk > Quality

 

[Fancy]

news flash, if you piss enough people off you won't have a tournament

EXACTLY, either make it fair or don't ban anything at all, to not piss off anyone and have a tournament. People understand if its fair, atm 19 tinks are the easiest thing to gear. Even if you are missing a item on your gfed tink and you want it cause the other gfed item may be banned for some reason, make a new one. SUPER easy to gear.

Rule should be
Gear - Any gear obtainable atm including gfed BoEs. All grandfathered BoPs banned.
Enchants - Only able to use ones that are obtainable atm. This excludes all grandfathered enchants on scrolls.

 

[lindenkron]

Correct me if I am wrong, but you left out 2 teams from the committee.. no? When you leave out leaders who have done so much for this cup since it was started in 2014, then yes, I will say you are not doing it right.

I don't know who was left out as I don't know who/how many teams there are. Your take on every leader having to part of things is also faulty because by that definition we could just invite what ever teams leader's we'd want in the committee(or what ever you want to call it). Which isn't what was done. What was done, was 3 people sitting down trying to sort out who would be the best 'team mates' for a group of people trying to get things done.

The group was just there to bounce ideas and possible decision/judgment issues off of, to make sure as many aspects of an issue as possible were covered. They weren't there to have the final say in anything but judgment calls on Twink Cup day (god forbid it comes to that.)

I don't agree with the decision of selecting these seven individuals to write up the tournament rules.

From what I'm reading above, there was a rule established stating that team leaders would be included in these rule committees.

I don't care if these seven individuals were hand picked for some attribute they bring to the table. Team leaders should have been included in the making of these important decisions as well. Why would you not want to have each team in agreement with each other?

After all, we are the ones playing in this tournament.

As stated above, I wasn't there when "said rule" was put in place - and it has nothing to do with me regarding the involvement of NWL. I've already replied to how well these committee's with everyone and their grandmother in them went. I won't bother getting into that again. These rules were written up and added prior to team invites being sent out - and they were at the digression of the NWL.

Yo guys, this thread looks baller, all of us can appreciate the fact that ALOT of work has gone into making this year's event possible, I think 95% of the details have been done right and in a fair manner. The 5% of issues that people want to have discussed have been discussed, no reason for anarchy here tinks. If your out here trying to show off your little tink balls, please add me @ Fearthebuns on snapchat Organizers, got to block out your emotions to people that are just fishing for response.

We're all part of this community whether we like everyone or not, everyone in this event playing or organizing is commiting an inordinate amount of time into the tournament.

Let's show our appreciation for getting the ball rolling, now the real TC juices are flowing in my veins and ready to go.

Thanks for getting the thread going, looking forward to competing.

I appreciate your response HB. I don't know you that well personally, but responses like this when compared to the (mostly) junk you see in the rest of the thread, really enlighten me as to why people generally have such high regards for you.

I did this for Blackout. My involvement in this. He only wanted me to help out because he was watching the community in a struggle with 0 progress and seemingly no way out. He worked a way out, and now the flame has come on from it.

If it continues like this, what ever energy we have left will be drained leaving people with little to no desire to continue (hence my replies and frustration as you can probably tell). I didn't reply for the first many pages, HB, as I do realize a lot of people are trolling and just fishing for replies. But unfortunately it has affected certain people and it has come to the point where I need to somehow voice myself - which shouldn't have been necessary.

Anything people decide to do to "spite" will have more negative impacts on twinking and the twink cup tournament itself, than literally (not saying we will) letting rules and decisions stand as they are.

 

[Superstylin]

Not sure if the +13sp to bracers ruling has been decided yet but I 100% agree that it should be banned (along with the rest of the GF'd enchants). The GF'd enchants provide ALL benefit and NO cost. For +13sp to bracers, you get a free +10sp without giving up anything. At least for inferno you give up stam and crit.

I would say it would still be fair to ban all GF'd soulbound items, but that is less of an issue to me.

 

[anatomyx]

Circle Jerk > Quality

I get what you're saying but your argument is completely destroyed by the fact that you didn't invite anyone from SR to have any say in the discussion whatsoever. Does adding Pizza (and a rep from STARTER) to a group suddenly turn it into a circle-jerk? Are you telling me that not a single person in SR is qualified to talk about the bracket that a lot of the people in the guild play every single day?

Come on man....

And just for the record, I'm not talking about the organizational aspect of the tournament, strictly rules. You seem to be mashing the tournament organization and rules into one group, which should not be the case. You can do whatever you want with how the tournament is run behind the scenes, but every major team should have a say in the rules for WSG itself.

I'm not sure what you thought the reaction would be when everyone in the entire community expected certain standards to be upheld, and you just swooped in and decided to change things without informing anyone outside of your special snowflake committee