The double dichotomy proof of God

[oppenheimer]

The double dichotomy proof of God


1) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible all inclusive states of existence and no states of existence proves that no states of existence cannot be the case, because our universe is real.

2) A metaphysical dichotomy between the set of all possible all inclusive states of existence that can become real and the set of all possible all inclusive states of existence that cannot become real being those possible all inclusive states of existence that contain two logically possible but contradictory states proves that the set of all possible all inclusive states of existence that cannot become real cannot be the case, because our universe is real.

3) Because our universe had a beginning and does not need to be real, and because something must be real without our universe being real due to the fact that no states of existence cannot be real, then there must be something real without our universe being real proving that all inclusive states of existence that can become real must be possible in reality.

4) Because the set of all possible all inclusive states of existence that can become real is infinite because one can imagine any given universe with the addition of just one more thing ad infinitum, then there cannot be a probability for any given universe because the set is infinite.

5) But because the universe is real, then there must be something real which determines what becomes real among the infinite set of all possible all inclusive states of existence where said determination is not based on probability or random chance.

6) Because something can be real and our universe not be real, then there must be a power to create the real such as our universe, and as there is a power to create the real, then there must be a power to determine what is real based on an order of preference.

7) Because the set of all possible all inclusive states of existence that can become real is not inherently ordered, and because it is possible to determine based on preference which possible all inclusive states of existence come into reality, then there must be a real eternal constraint that determines through will and intellect to allow any or all of these possible all inclusive states of existence to become real.

8) Because the actualization of any or all possible all inclusive states of existence that can become real requires the constraint to actualize them, then the constraint cannot be made and therefore must be infinite pure act without moving parts.

9) Said constraint must have power over all possible all inclusive states of existence that can become real being omnipotent and omnipresent.

10) Said constraint must have knowledge of all possible all inclusive states of existence that can become real being omniscient.

11) Because the mind of the constraint is omnipresent and hence within all of us, our minds are contained within the mind of the constraint which calls all of us to be Sons of the constraint.

12) Hence, a single being exists who is eternal, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, is not made, and has a will and intellect and we call this being God.

 

[Goesid]

we call this being God.

I call it delusion.

 

[Sponsor]

The debate between whether God exists or not is a never ending argument.

But something I love throwing at religious people is as follows: If God created us in his imagine (perfect), why is our body constantly trying to kill us (ex: if we dont eat/drink for a very short period of time, we die).

 

[FrozenWill]

I call it delusion.

Then who created everything?

 

[FrozenWill]

The debate between whether God exists or not is a never ending argument.

But something I love throwing at religious people is as follows: If God created us in his imagine (perfect), why is our body constantly trying to kill us (ex: if we dont eat/drink for a very short period of time, we die).

When Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed them and made them mortal causing them to have to work for the rest of their lives. And for the first time they had problems like being hungry,thirsty, and they had to find food to survive etc.. Pretty much experiencing everything we go through like often getting sick every once in a while.

 

[madhombre]

tldr

 

[oppenheimer]

tldr

1. It cannot be the case that nothing existed, since our Universe exists
2. The Universe began to exist, so there was a state of affairs in which the Universe was not
3. So, there must be a being outside the Universe alongside the Universe, for if there were not, then nothing would exist when the Universe did not exist, contradicting (1)
4. The Universe, since it began to exist is contingent, and there are an infinite number of ways the Universe can exist
5. Given one specific Universe over others, this is preponderance that requires a preponderator to determine the specific state of the Universe
6. So, the cause of the Universe has Will (from (5))
7. It has Omnipotence, Omniscience, etc.

 

[Denurd]

Then who created everything?

If we go with this logic.
Who created the one who created everything?
PLOT THICKENS

 

[CaptainPonysock]

Ooo snap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7VTdzuY7Y

 

[CaptainPonysock]

When Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed them and made them immortal causing them to have to work for the rest of their lives. And for the first time they had problems like being hungry,thirsty, and they had to find food to survive etc.. Pretty much experiencing everything we go through like often getting sick every once in a while.

proof Noah's Ark is 100% factual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9Xn5m2OGg

 

[Healsatin]

When Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed them and made them immortal causing them to have to work for the rest of their lives. And for the first time they had problems like being hungry,thirsty, and they had to find food to survive etc.. Pretty much experiencing everything we go through like often getting sick every once in a while.

if god made adam and eve immortal when they sinned why aren't they still around. Unless you actually meant to say that god made them mortal which i'm almost positive is what went down in the story of adam and eve. Also the big bang and evolution created everything we know today, not some fictional being sitting atop a cloud since you seem to be confused about that too

 

[Xenophon]

Taking bets as to which recently banned troll the OP is....

 

[Vehemity]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQorzOS-F6w

 

[Goesid]

Then who created everything?

The universe created itself.

When Adam and Eve sinned, God cursed them and made them mortal causing them to have to work for the rest of their lives. And for the first time they had problems like being hungry,thirsty, and they had to find food to survive etc.. Pretty much experiencing everything we go through like often getting sick every once in a while.

They never existed. And we need to eat and sleep cause everyother animal also needs to eat and sleep.

1. It cannot be the case that nothing existed, since our Universe exists
2. The Universe began to exist, so there was a state of affairs in which the Universe was not
3. So, there must be a being outside the Universe alongside the Universe, for if there were not, then nothing would exist when the Universe did not exist, contradicting (1)
4. The Universe, since it began to exist is contingent, and there are an infinite number of ways the Universe can exist
5. Given one specific Universe over others, this is preponderance that requires a preponderator to determine the specific state of the Universe
6. So, the cause of the Universe has Will (from (5))
7. It has Omnipotence, Omniscience, etc.

1. Nothing became something.
3. No there mustn't have been.
4. Nothing became something.
5. There could very well be different universes.
7. Nah

Taking bets as to which recently banned troll the OP is....

fun stuff

 

[Kailthas]

Meaningless verbiage, but then, that's metaphysics for you: speculative, meaningless verbiage.

"Oh, but science is undergirded by philosophy!"

The universe created itself.

Nonsensical. In order to create itself, the universe would first have to exist (don't worry: I'm an atheist).

1. It cannot be the case that nothing existed, since our Universe exists.

Non sequitur: that our universe exists demonstrates that it cannot be the case that nothing exists now, not that philosophical nothingness is an impossibility.

Then who created everything?

That is as meaningless a question to a naturalist as "Who created God?" is to a theist.

 

[LennywBT]

The true question is : Why do you even care ?

 

[FrozenWill]

The universe created itself.

They never existed. And we need to eat and sleep cause everyother animal also needs to eat and sleep.

1. Nothing became something.
3. No there mustn't have been.
4. Nothing became something.
5. There could very well be different universes.
7. Nah


fun stuff

Saying the universe created itself is like saying no one made me a burger when I went to mc Donald's, the burger just popped up out of nowhere.... You basically just justified the fact that things can be created without a creator which makes no sense.

 

[FrozenWill]

proof Noah's Ark is 100% factual

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9Xn5m2OGg

Noah's Ark was found on Mount Ararat.

 

[CaptainPonysock]

Noah's Ark was found on Mount Ararat.

r u srs

 

[FrozenWill]

If we go with this logic.
Who created the one who created everything?
PLOT THICKENS

You never answered my origional question

Who made everything?

And to answer your question: God is an eternal, self-existing being that can create/destroy anything without cause because he created everything.