EU+US Talent/Spec Discussion

[Quint]

I have tried almost every classes & specializations as 20 in Legion, except shaman (I never touched it). So my recommendation (based on my latest experience) for talent choosing is the following:

Color marking: the best . good . it sucks
Check the description of talents here: Wowhead's talent calculator

_____ DRUID
balance
Force of Nature . Warrior of Elune . Starlord
feral
Predator . Blood Scent . Lunar Inspiration
guardian
Brambles . Bristling Fur . Blood Frenzy
restoration
Prosperity . Cenarion Ward . Abundance

_____ HUNTER
beast mastey
Big Game Hunter . Way of the Cobra . Dire Stable
marksmanship
Lone Wolf . Steady Focus . Careful Aim
survival
Animal Instincts . Throwing Axes . Way of the Mok'Nathal

_____ MAGE
arcane
Arcane Familiar . Amplification . Words of Power
fire
Pyromaniac . Conflagration . Firestarter
frost
Ray of Frost . Lonely Winter . Bone Chilling

_____ MONK
brewmaster
Chi Burst . Eye of the Tiger . Chi Wave
mistweaver
Chi Burst . Zen Pulse . Chi Wave
windwalker
Chi Burst . Eye of the Tiger . Chi Wave

_____ PALADIN
holy
Bestow Faith . Light's Hammer . Crusader's Might
protection
Holy Shield . Blessed Hammer . Consecrated Hammer
retribution
Final Verdict . Execution Sentence . Consecration

_____ PRIEST
discipline
Twist of Fate . Castigation . Schism
holy
Trail of Light . Enduring Renewal . Enlightenment
shadow
Twist of Fate . Fortress of the Mind . Shadow Word: Void

_____ ROGUE
assassination
Master Poisoner . Elaborate Planning . Hemorrhage
outlaw
Ghostly Strike . Swordmaster . Quick Draw
subtlety
Master of Subtlety . Weaponmaster . Gloomblade

_____ WARLOCK
affliction
Haunt . Writhe in Agony . Malefic Grasp
demonology
Shadowy Inspiration . Shadowflame . Demonic Calling
destruction
Backdraft . Roaring Blaze . Shadowburn

_____ WARRIOR
arms
Dauntless . Overpower . Sweeping Strikes
fury
War Machine . Endless Rage . Fresh Meat
protection
Shockwave . Storm Bolt . Warbringer

 

[Zemmix]

Gloomblade over Master of Subtlety?

I tend to do way more damage and better with MoS. MoS damage + Jagged Wing Slicer makes some nasty shots.

 

[Quint]

It was funny when once I joined as holy priest to a BG. Someone told me I have to change my talent from Enlightenment to Trail of Light. I refused.

Currently holy priest is the most mana hungry healer, even more than holy paladin. Trail of Light is pretty good until you oom and you become useless. I have already tried both talents and I produced more healing with Enlightenment at the end, all time. Furthermore people forget about Trail of Light is often wasted as an overheal.
If mana potions will be allowed again in BGs, maybe I change my mind. Until then, I stack more spirit.

 

[Zemmix]

Yeah, they went overboard with what you can't use in BGs.

Come on, how OP was it really making me to be using Moonfangs toy in BGs? >.>;

Nope, no toys! No potions! Hell, no stats from gear! ITEM LEVEL STACK, GO GO GO.

 

[Quint]

Gloomblade over Master of Subtlety?

I tend to do way more damage and better with MoS. MoS damage + Jagged Wing Slicer makes some nasty shots.

Gloomblade is a must have talent. It's too good for not choosing it. Gloomblade does huge damage. You don't need to use it behind the target anymore (see backstab). It's bypassing armor, all pure damage.

Master of Subtlety? 10% damage boost for 5 sec isn't a big deal. Furthermore, rogues mostly open with cheap shot instead shadowstrike. Stun is better than damage in most situations.

This's just my opinion, rogue isn't my main class.

 

[Zemmix]

I haven't used it in a while, I'll have some fun with it tonight.

How high does it crit these days?

 

[Quint]

Currently the strongest spec is the arms. So easy to play with it, you can almost spam overpower and you will be on the top of the scoreboard. It's clearly a killing machine.

Fury is more interesting, it's a hardcore spec now. Casuals should choose Endless Rage to rampage more often. However if you want to be pro, you must choose Fresh Meat instead. What is so hard about it? Swapping of targets.

If someone is coming too close to your main target, swap to him and use Bloodthirst. It can be an enemy player or a pet which is above 80% health. If you are lucky enough your Bloodthirst critical strikes. Swap back immediately to your main target. Enrage increases your attack speed by 100% and your damage by 20%. It also allows raging blow, use it on your main target twice. If you have enough rage, then rampage. If he's dying, try to execute. If you can't kill him, repeat. Practice makes perfect.

 

[Omghax]

Paladin: lol I'm for one that uses holy hammer for its AOE heal and damage. When used optimally, the total heal should be pretty high. Honestly I don't think the three talents are super helpful. I know a lot of people use bestow of light, but it doesn't seem to be really helpful compared to your spam heals.
I do want to start a discussion about how you use the beacon of light though. Who do you usually cast it on? Yourself, nearby healer, FC, or whoever taking damage. I feel like I'm not using it effectively since when you concerntrate

Personally I like Holy Pally for AB / EoTS healing due to the higher prevalence of larger skirmishes. That's where Bestow Faith shines, in being able to handle healing multiple targets. It also helps when you are having to spam heal if you can get ahead and afford a GCD to bestow, then shock then back to spam FoL.

Beacon should be moved around depending on the situation, it costs a GCD to move but it's worth moving it around. Ideally it should be on someone who isn't being focused, they don't get extra heals from it so if you beacon someone and spam on them it's wasted. I've put it on myself to slow my drop to delay having to bubble while spamming FoL on another ally. Stuff like that. Hmmm makes me wonder if it's possible to write a script that checks the target buffs for beacon and if it sees it you first randomly cast beacon on another party member or yourself, then start casting FoL. It would cost an extra GCD to start but if you are about to start spamming a target you might have the time.

 

[Jabz]

Gloomblade over Master of Subtlety?

I tend to do way more damage and better with MoS. MoS damage + Jagged Wing Slicer makes some nasty shots.

If you are a sub rogue and not using gloomblade just uninstall now plz

 

[Leek]

Windwalker could use either chi burst or chi wave depending on the situation. Chi burst for aoe in a straight line and chi wave for single target.

 

[Zemmix]

If you are a sub rogue and not using gloomblade just uninstall now plz

Yes, clearly I'm such an awful player not having tried any of the other three talents after just coming back from a year of not playing.

Wonder why you're even posting here to flame people, when you don't even play this bracket?

 

[Jabz]

Yes, clearly I'm such an awful player not having tried any of the other three talents after just coming back from a year of not playing.

Wonder why you're even posting here to flame people, when you don't even play this bracket?

I play both 19's and 20-29's and I'm not here to start anything its just me expressing the worth of this talent...Don't get too defensive i understand it's 2017 and people are really sensitive.

 

[Zemmix]

I play both 19's and 20-29's and I'm not here to start anything its just me expressing the worth of this talent...Don't get too defensive i understand it 2017 and people are really sensitive.

Simply a retort to what you said.

I already said I'd give the talent ago, as I haven't in over a year!

I know you play 29s, I was more so referring to F2Ps, though.

 

[Jabz]

Simply a retort to what you said.

I already said I'd give the talent ago, as I haven't in over a year!

I know you play 29s, I was more so referring to F2Ps, though.

I have 2 accounts 1 that is active and 1 that is F2P play. I queue both at the same time when the q's are awful.
P.S I have a GFed F2P rogue.

 

[Zemmix]

I have 2 accounts 1 that is active and 1 that is F2P play. I queue both at the same time when the q's are awful.
P.S I have a GFed F2P rogue.

Nice! Yeah, honestly, I haven't done much PVP yet since I started playing again. I jumped into the Darkmoon stuff for achieves. What I have donein PVP, the Master of Sub has yielded some pretty nice backstabs after opener, but I'll give Gloom a go.

 

[Chops]

I dont really rogue but I'd never even given Sub a second glance after seeing Outlaw (lolrangedrogues2017). That looks like a really fun spec to play around with. I wouldn't be hamstringing my team if I decided to goof around with it, would I?

 

[Zemmix]

I play Outlaw occasionally, and prior to having fun with the whole Jagged Wing Slasher, did just fine. I've seen some other Outlaw rogues do quite good on the charts.

 

[Chops]

Outlaw just plays weird (to me) so i might goof around on sub rogue for a bit. Honestly, Gloomblade had me at "bypasses armor"

 

[MooCow]

This is exactly the kind of post I was hoping for! It is a great way to get a discussion going. I'd like to pick your brain more on disc priest especially. I can see your argument re: twist of fate when focused, but that isn't always the case, especially if you are being careful about positioning yourself behind your team and trying to stay out of their reach. Regarding schism, maintaining pain uptime, using penance offensively and smiting all fills the time nicely in moments of downtime, which I find are next to non-existent. Schism also does nothing to help our healing, which is top priority.

I will happily do some more testing with Twist of Fate but increasing the effectiveness of our best spell by 25% is pretty dang good.

You get attonment at 20 so schism does indeed provide valuable healing. Now if you are against a heavy cc team I would think twist of fate would be your choice. As with a heavy dps team you can take either twist of fate or schism. It whatever your comfortable with against a heavy dps team. If you are vsing randoms then schism all day is my top choice.


Moocow
Aka protrockin/Zorblast

 

[Goatee]

This may not be agree-able with most warriors, but here's my take on the specs/talents:

Arms: This is obviously the best spec, but to me there are actually 2 great talents with this. While you may be able to two shot easily with overpower (depending on situation) or burn through bubbles, Dauntless also works pretty good for me (overpower isn't a 100% crit, and I like being more reliable than more op) and I really haven't been dropping in damage with the talent change but execute has been hitting harder for sure (which is my favorite aspect of warrior) plus I feel less op in a sense. Also for the warriors who are somehow rage starved, dauntless would be good for you. Overpower is better when you're peeling though.

Fury: I mean fury does ok damage, but it's not what it used to be that's for sure. Fresh meat/ Endless rage are the best talents for this spec.

Prot: prot isn't really bad at all, in fact I actually like prot in battle grounds like eots (keeping people off the flag) and it's the only spec that has multiple forms of CC as well as a double charge. I've only used shockwave/stormbolt but warbringer looks pretty fun too, and I would try it sometimes. But overall, prot is a decent arena spec, definitely better than Fury. Prot is also my favorite when in duels.