So rogues

[Slyddur]

If any of you with healers on BH Horde are bored and would like to help me out please hop on and shoot me a whisper on Slyddur. It'd be most appreciated, thanks!

 

[danny glover]

wtf is trespasser

 

[Curley]

Curley @ Bleeding Hollow - Game Guide - World of Warcraft set i'm wearing. Just going to throw pyrium OH see how I like it.

 

[Sneaky]

And here I was thinking MoP was gonna purge the bracket of all those bad rogues. I was dead wrong. 5 holy palas 5 rogues a game...

 

[Mocha]

But seriously I've played rogues for a lot longer then you have and please go on about how praying for big ambush crits is a good play style. Your problem is that you try to go against the grain on everything to try and find some ground breaking new gear or w/e and make yourself special. further proof that you needed to spend more time at "camp".

Wow did Augi and I just agree on something? Well then again any rogue with a normal brain would know the correct path of a 5.0.4 rogue.... Curley still has yet to figure that out apparently. Instead of him saying "Ur $hite stfu bad rogue" to his elders maybe he should actually listen to them for once >.>

 

[Slyddur]

Just did ambush. I'll get to evis tomorrow.

No buffs and speced Subterfuge. Only 60 ambushes, sorry once again for the smallish sample. Keep in mind that I lose the 25% damage while stealthed from Nightstalker due to being Subterfuge.

Gear:
Shadowcraft helm
WSG neck
shadowcraft shoulders
bandit cloak with stealth enchant
tunic of westfall with 4 stats
black wolf bracers with 9 stam enchant
foreman's gloves with 15 agi enchant
bandit belt
cobrahn's boots with minor speed enchant
signet of argas x2
pvp trinket
agm

Offhand weapons were Mass of McGowans with either 15 agi or weapon chain once again.




Shadowfang with agi:

Shadowfang with weapon chain:

Scarlet Kris with agi:

Scarlet Kris with weapon chain:

Here's what we ended up with:
K=Scarlet Kris, S=Shadowfang, W=Weapon Chain, and A=Agility

HIT
average max min

k-a 246 261 231
k-w 238 252 223
s-a 228 242 209
s-w 217 233 200


CRIT
average max min

k-a 489 522 463
k-w 480 504 447
s-a 455 483 420
s-w 438 465 400

There's a noticeable difference in favor of agility over weapon chain, but no more than a 20 damage difference at most. Kris obviously outperformed Shadowfang as well with upwards of a 40+ damage difference between identically enchanted weapons. Nothing game breaking, but perhaps enough to make it worth swapping on for openers.


TL;DR for maximum damage on your ambushes use Scarlet Kris main hand with +15 agi. (with your +15 agi Shadowfang OH ideally)


Evis will come tomorrow and hopefully I'll be able to squeeze in Slice and Dice as well.

 

[Slyddur]

I'm going to compile all of this into its own thread from now on. I should have it up before i go to sleep tonight.

 

[Sliq2Quick]

I'm going to compile all of this into its own thread from now on. I should have it up before i go to sleep tonight.

Do you suppose Blackened Defias chest piece/Armor of the fang is bis if you don't have Tunic of Westfall?

 

[Mocha]

I just got 35 crusader procs with it on my mh shadowfang in one WSG... Not lying... and this is in my servivability gear (since Lifesteal only steals about 17 hp per proc now) and in my survivability set I had 550 attack power with the sader proc.

This Information is from Twinking.net


Stained Shadowcraft Cap - Lucky Fishing Hat / Stained Shadowcraft Cap

Scout’s Medallion

Stained Shadowcraft Spaulders -Exceptional Stormshroud Shoulders / Stained Shadowcraft Spaulders

Tumultuous Cloak of the Bandit

Gloomshroud Armor - Stained Shadowcraft Tunic / Azure Scale Vest

Black Wolf Bracers

Shadowfang + 15 Agility – Shadowfang + Crusader or Icy or +15 Agility

Venerable Mass of Mcgowan+ 15 Agility – Shadowfang + 15 Agility or Icy / Venerable Mass of Mcgowan + Pyrium Weapon Chain

Gloves of the Fang

Vigorous Belt of the Bandit

Smelting Pants

Cobrahn’s Boots-Feet of the Lynx / Cobrahn’s Boots

Signet of Argas

Dread Pirate Ring

Inherited Insignia of the Horde / Alliance

Arena Grand Master - Switch out to Swift Hand of Justice when on CD

These are my thoughts on what is BiS. The items with the colors reflecting their rarities are BiS. Dread Pirate Ring gives more crit than dual Argas. The purple and italicized items are modifications I have made. They go in the order of Bis / Survivability set / Crit Set

Read the list straight down and you should be able to figure it out.
35 Crusader procs in 1 single game due to Slice - N - Dice + Hemo. In fact I ALWAYS have Recup on me and Touch of the Grave typically comes in 2nd to recup for overall healing done for me (not considering bandages) but with crusader every time I have seen Holy Strength come on top of my healing done charts. Lifestealing only steals about 17 hp now, making Crusader by far more viable in terms of survivability if you choose to try something other than dual agility. I am excited to see my AP in my crit set with Holy Strength procced if my survivability set hit 550 AP.

 

[Nìck]

You forgot the crit :
k-a : 22292 / 60 = 371.5
k-w : 20345 / 60 = 339
371 - 339 = 32
And an other thing : the hit rating will make your damage predictable, because you focus on the low part on your dps, the agility / crit rating will make your DPS more dynamic, you can surprise your oppenent whith a big Evi crit when he think 'its ok"
other little thing : against a rogue, your 20% hit becaume 10% hit since 50% of the 20% of your white damages will touch him (50% dodge) (same things for other classes that pary or dodge), with yellows damages you just have to wait the GCD.
and with the agi setting you will be able to dodge him more.
I tryed to make maths like you do before i understood there is too many factors to consider. What i said is just an exemple of a lot of factors.

 

[~Iz~]

Hey Mocha.. is gloomshroud still available to farm, or do you have to luck up with some random person with it in their bank?

 

[Mocha]

It's next to impossibru to get... I'd just stick with Asure Scale Vest if you can get that or Tunic of Westfall!

 

[~Iz~]

Bleh.. of course I made my rogue after Cata..

 

[Slyddur]

You forgot the crit :
k-a : 22292 / 60 = 371.5
k-w : 20345 / 60 = 339
371 - 339 = 32
And an other thing : the hit rating will make your damage predictable, because you focus on the low part on your dps, the agility / crit rating will make your DPS more dynamic, you can surprise your oppenent whith a big Evi crit when he think 'its ok"
other little thing : against a rogue, your 20% hit becaume 10% hit since 50% of the 20% of your white damages will touch him (50% dodge) (same things for other classes that pary or dodge), with yellows damages you just have to wait the GCD.
and with the agi setting you will be able to dodge him more.
I tryed to make maths like you do before i understood there is too many factors to consider. What i said is just an exemple of a lot of factors.

You can't take crit into account with such a small sample size. The charts show a 6.6% difference in favor of agi for crit chance, but in reality there's only a 2.84% loss off crit chance from using weapon chain. The test was aimed to determine how detrimental replacing agi with weapon chain is to your ambushes and to figure out how much more damage you get from using Scarlet Kris over Shadowfang for ambush. Nothing else

 

[~Iz~]

Just spoke to a GM about restoring my old Mayhem hunter (who sadly had been purged) and got on the topic of Gloomshroud Armor. According to this particular GM, he said they are tweaking that chest for MoP and it "may" be attainable again... Fanciness ensues.

 

[Sneaky]

I wouldn't trust a word any GM said. Like seriously.

 

[Mocha]

Mocha's 5.0.4 rogue guide

 

[Dramatized]

Mocha's 5.0.4 rogue guide

Why Blood Ring over Ello's in FC-set?

 

[Arkant]

Why Blood Ring over Ello's in FC-set?

While we're questioning his set, why Black Wolf Bracers and McGowans?

 

[Mocha]

Why Blood Ring over Ello's in FC-set?

This is MY FC set.... Puck factioning.