Sick of 1 button? SHADOWLANDS 19s NEW ERA

Tecuhtli

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I am a long long time twink vet that has been playing since vanilla 2004.

I am here to say that while i very much enjoyed 19s through vanilla, TBC, Wrath and Cata....
The complexity of builds and number of abilities in shadowlands 19s now is by far more exciting that anything i have ever experienced in the old days of twinking.

Artifact weps, socketed gear, TONS of abilites. 19s now are essentially lvl 44s from the pre-shadowlands system. Well balanced and very very fun build process. This will be an amazing new era for twinking.

Anyone who is interested... HORDE TICHONDRIOUS is now active and we are getting ready to set up preliminary games.

PS. Have mad love for the classic community and always will <3
 
I am a long long time twink vet that has been playing since vanilla 2004.

I am here to say that while i very much enjoyed 19s through vanilla, TBC, Wrath and Cata....
The complexity of builds and number of abilities in shadowlands 19s now is by far more exciting that anything i have ever experienced in the old days of twinking.

Artifact weps, socketed gear, TONS of abilites. 19s now are essentially lvl 44s from the pre-shadowlands system. Well balanced and very very fun build process. This will be an amazing new era for twinking.

Anyone who is interested... HORDE TICHONDRIOUS is now active and we are getting ready to set up preliminary games.

PS. Have mad love for the classic community and always will <3

So, should this be posted in 49s which is the equivalent?
 
I am a long long time twink vet that has been playing since vanilla 2004.

I am here to say that while i very much enjoyed 19s through vanilla, TBC, Wrath and Cata....
The complexity of builds and number of abilities in shadowlands 19s now is by far more exciting that anything i have ever experienced in the old days of twinking.

Artifact weps, socketed gear, TONS of abilites. 19s now are essentially lvl 44s from the pre-shadowlands system. Well balanced and very very fun build process. This will be an amazing new era for twinking.

Anyone who is interested... HORDE TICHONDRIOUS is now active and we are getting ready to set up preliminary games.

PS. Have mad love for the classic community and always will <3

@Tecuhtli UR SIG WAS YUMMY !
 
What i mean is, 19s in shadowlands have the same abilities and class balancing that lvl 44s did in BFA :)

This is because all lvl 44s became squished to 19

My point is that 19s often play due to the simplicity of characters which creates nuanced and challenging play based on a limited spell set.

People playing 49s which have a fully baked toolkit and complex gearing options would be the people more likely to be interested in Shadowlands 19s.
 
and how long average queue? 20 min? 40? 1hr?

Infinite.

Also doesn't matter which region. 19 is just dead everywhere.

No reason to play 19 over 20 anymore.
In the past, you could argue about the mount factor, but that's no longer relevant as both brackets have mounts in SL. The XP locked playerbase is just not big enough to support constant queues, whereas 20s have levellers fill the missing gaps and get constant queues because of it.
 
Infinite.

Also doesn't matter which region. 19 is just dead everywhere.

No reason to play 19 over 20 anymore.
In the past, you could argue about the mount factor, but that's no longer relevant as both brackets have mounts in SL. The XP locked playerbase is just not big enough to support constant queues, whereas 20s have levellers fill the missing gaps and get constant queues because of it.
lock post and drop mic please.
 
Infinite.

Also doesn't matter which region. 19 is just dead everywhere.

No reason to play 19 over 20 anymore.
In the past, you could argue about the mount factor, but that's no longer relevant as both brackets have mounts in SL. The XP locked playerbase is just not big enough to support constant queues, whereas 20s have levellers fill the missing gaps and get constant queues because of it.

I can list a few reasons.

1) 20 is less competitive and most of you consistently beat up on undergeared players.

2) lack of abilities in the bracket comparatively.

3) several features locked if account inactive.

20 twinks have never been fullfilling to me.
[doublepost=1609025969,1609025814][/doublepost]19 will be back.... I can promise you that.

19 is the bracket that started all of twinking.

The founder.

The creator.

The original.

19 shall always be :)
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lock post and drop mic please.

No need to be aggressive. If you don’t agree that’s fine, it it’s unecessaey to request that someone post be locked.

If you don’t like it, dont post here?
 
1) 20 is less competitive and most of you consistently beat up on undergeared players.
Makes for a bigger player base, means organizing xp off 10v10s is easier than it would be in 19s (we saw consistent 10v10s at 20 during the last half of BFA.)
3) several features locked if account inactive.
You don't even need to be on an inactive account to wargame, both xp on and xp off can play together. Now queuing, you're right, not possible.

Mounts killed 19s. Even if 20s is the leveler stomping bracket, you'll have better luck setting up xp off games there than 19s lol.

Think back to how hard it was to get 19s popping at the end of BFA, it took tremendous coordinated effort. If convincing people to play 19s > 20s was that much of a challenge then, gl now where there is almost no difference between the two.
 
I can list a few reasons.

1) 20 is less competitive and most of you consistently beat up on undergeared players.

2) lack of abilities in the bracket comparatively.

3) several features locked if account inactive.

20 twinks have never been fullfilling to me.
[doublepost=1609025969,1609025814][/doublepost]19 will be back.... I can promise you that.

19 is the bracket that started all of twinking.

The founder.

The creator.

The original.

19 shall always be :)
[doublepost=1609026169][/doublepost]

No need to be aggressive. If you don’t agree that’s fine, it it’s unecessaey to request that someone post be locked.

If you don’t like it, dont post here?

"19 will be back.... I can promise you that."

I'm not gonna say that 19 "will never be back", because who knows what the future brings. However, as it is right now, it definitely won't happen. At most, there will be a revival which inevitably decays back into 0 queues. How do I know? Because I've witnessed the cycle so many times now.

Without a healthy PuG environment, the bracket simply won't be sustainable. For this to happen, you WILL NEED a mix of plebs, casuals, hardcore players and whoever fits in between.

The problem with an EXP locked bracket is that you do not have passive promotion. How many people duel in crossroads, goldshire or outside of major cities these days? Pretty much no one.

How did twinking blow up? Some twink destroyed a leveller. The leveller then wanted to do the same and so the cycle begins. You need that. You need to somehow spread the word without having to actually do anything other than play, because anything else is exhausting and not something people generally want to spend their time on.

The 20 bracket has exactly every ingredient to grow and sustain a twink bracket. Plebs, casuals, hardcore and everyone in between. The fact that you occasionally shit on a leveller and maybe gouge their interest is all you need to grow the amount of twinks in the bracket. This is also why Classic is successful.

Now, outside of all that, the 19 bracket has a whole range of issues that one could probably write a book about if they've been around for long enough.

Due to the stagnation of the bracket over course of time, you now have an incompatible playerbase of not enough plebs and casuals, nor hardcore players to sustain the bracket. This is what makes revivals so fucking difficult to deal with, because neither of the hardcore players or casuals will admit that they need each other, and pops won't happen without the one or the other.

I don't think a lot of people understands what it takes to actually kickstart a bracket. You can revive it momentarily with the hype of an expansion, a defining patch, or getting some names together, but to actually keep the bracket going is a whole different thing.

You first have to gouge an interest. Then you have to plan for queues. Then you have to think about faction balance. Then you have to find a middle ground that appeases the casuals AND the competitive players, which is practically impossible due to the miniscule playerbase that you're working with. They simply just don't want the same thing and eventually stops queuing, because neither are big enough to carry pops on their own.

Imagine putting people through all that trouble OR simply tell them to level 1 more level and they can have all the same with literally no attachments.

19 is NOTHING but a nostalgic number that you can choose to latch on to, but in terms of retail, it makes absolutely no fucking sense whatsoever.

1) Competitiveness is what you make of it. PuGs will always be PuGs. Question is, would you rather have PuGs or no pops at all? Because that's basically what you have as a choice. Wargames etc. will still be there.

2) ???????

3) Yes.

"20 twinks have never been fullfilling to me".

Alright, that's just an opinion though. Facts are, 20s are active and thriving, 19 is not.

If 20's have never been fulfilling to you, there is no way 19 will feel fulfilling to you now either. 19 is nothing but a number. You're practically a level 44 character. You have mounts, the same range of spells you would expect from a level 44 before squish. You have PvE and PvP content that far exceeds what you would have ever assumed of a level 19 character. How on EARTH does that just resonate with you as "fuck yeah, 19 bruh!".

It sounds an awful lot that you are attached to the number, rather than twinking in general.

"19 is the bracket that started all of twinking.

The founder.

The creator.

The original."

You can cry nostalgia all you want, unless you hop on Classic, you won't be getting any 19 games. Retail took a turn. You either adapt, or you don't.
 
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If you don't like 19s. Don't play 19s. But posting counter arguments as to why others should just play 20s instead is kinda pussy

I would love to play 19's, but fact is you CAN'T. What are you gonna do? Log in to farm/gear for no reason? Idle in Goldshire / outside of Org? PvE? Because BGs are not a thing, which is what the majority of 19's wants.

There is just nothing supporting the 19 bracket at all. There is not a single positive argument to make in order to play it over something that's actually playable in every aspect, and not just trophy toon gearing.

It's just facts. Anyone who doesn't see it is just living in pure denial.
 
I would love to play 19's, but fact is you CAN'T. What are you gonna do? Log in to farm/gear for no reason? Idle in Goldshire / outside of Org? PvE? Because BGs are not a thing, which is what the majority of 19's wants.

There is just nothing supporting the 19 bracket at all. There is not a single positive argument to make in order to play it over something that's actually playable in every aspect, and not just trophy toon gearing.

It's just facts. Anyone who doesn't see it is just living in pure denial.


facts^^^ Classic is where you can get great games at 19. Excellent que times and TBC classic is around the corner. Baffled at why anybody would try to get retail 19s going. There’s nothing wrong with theory crafting and getting 19’s geared and maybe even GF for the future of the game, But the hopes of getting this bracket into competitive games it’s just asinine. That’s why I said lock this post Drop the Mic you’re talking to five people.
 
Heres a fact....

You guys need to calm down.
Nobody is telling you not to play 20 twinks.
I just like 19 much more.

First of all.... why are you offended if I want to try and get 19 games going?

BFA 19 was no representation of 19. It was the worst.
[doublepost=1609085620,1609085530][/doublepost]Remember...its ok if some people enjoy things that are not the same as the things that you enjoy
[doublepost=1609085650][/doublepost]we can get through this
[doublepost=1609086174][/doublepost]Ill try and get back to the original point.

ATTENTON: We are looking for anyone interested in 19 SHADOWLANDS!!!!

- These builds are very fun!
-We almost have 10 people ready to go just Horde Tichondrius!
-Mostly need anyone who has alliance twinks to get ready for battle :)
 
Makes for a bigger player base, means organizing xp off 10v10s is easier than it would be in 19s (we saw consistent 10v10s at 20 during the last half of BFA.)

You don't even need to be on an inactive account to wargame, both xp on and xp off can play together. Now queuing, you're right, not possible.

Mounts killed 19s. Even if 20s is the leveler stomping bracket, you'll have better luck setting up xp off games there than 19s lol.

Think back to how hard it was to get 19s popping at the end of BFA, it took tremendous coordinated effort. If convincing people to play 19s > 20s was that much of a challenge then, gl now where there is almost no difference between the two.

don’t pretend tf promoted nor participated in any 20 warmades in bfa.

19s may as well stay dead though as stated. No point organizing 19 wargames over 20.
 
don’t pretend tf promoted nor participated in any 20 warmades in bfa.
We dont have to pretend...

BFA 19 was no representation of 19. It was the worst.
I think, OP, what most people are trying to get at is that SL wont be a representation of 19s either. Not the 19s yall know and love. With mounts and with some people having access to toons with a GFd 100% mount speed, its a whole 'nother bracket that is wildly removed from what made 19s unique and thus appealing to a wide variety of people.

You are, basically, building a brand new bracket from scratch, one that will more closely resemble pre-squish 39s than old 19s. Goodluck and godspeed.
 

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