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Has anyone done the math to see if SF is stil BiS for rogues, or even warriors. Warrior can get protectors sword and rogues can get the BoA mace. Thanks guys
 
Idk i've heard Impish blade is BiS MH now, but I have no proof, not really sure. I would also like an answer to this question.
 
If you're a dwarf/human rogue, boA maces may actually be a good choice since they would offer 3 expertise from mace specialization.



Shadowfang offers the highest weapon dps, being itemlvl24, along with also having 12 extra ap, and the shadow proc chance.

It also benefits from gnomes/humans, who offer 3 expertise from sword specialization.





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notoriousthf said:
If you're a dwarf/human rogue, boA maces may actually be a good choice since they would offer 3 expertise from mace specialization.



Shadowfang offers the highest weapon dps, being itemlvl24, along with also having 12 extra ap, and the shadow proc chance.

It also benefits from gnomes/humans, who offer 3 expertise from sword specialization.



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wow grats mang...

can't you also put a higher level sharpening stone/weight stone on the SF?
 
Imo if you have access to boa maces and sf, sf wouldn't be used mh because the maces are slower, now sf is oh and count on the shadowbolt never really proccing, imo 2x boa maces are better. I haven't done the math, we need a wizard with math skills to run a ton of recount data in addition to doing only the math skills!



Edit: Also note I don't have boa maces to test this, and I only have one equipped shadowfang.... Imo don't spend over 8k for one because in some ways I'm sure they aren't better and I think they might have a nerf coming....
 
Shadowfang has more burst potential and more crit. You may lose 1 or 2 roped but u lose a shadow proc. I agree BOA mace has more consistent dps. And NO impish blade awful white damage plus backstab is huge energy consumer. Therefore less focus kicks and gouges.
 
AP contribution for specials is normalized for 2.4 seconds when using a 1h sword or mace. This means that the additional damage from AP for specials is calculated as if your MH was 2.4 sec speed regardless of what it actually is. So BoA is slightly inferior, that being said the difference would only be noticable if you were gnome and got the extra 3 expertise from using a sword. Also, why does everyone always demand math as proof? Spreadsheets can't be applied to PvP dps as a hard and fast rule. Haste is case in point, looks like an amazing stat on paper, but when applied to actual PvP combat where burst and burst potential reigns supreme it's pretty useless.
 
the question i really am just wondering is.. Is it BiS. I cant rly tell now because of different answers and im just saying math wld be nice.
 
notoriousthf said:
It's not BiS for warriors, just rogues.
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Good :) got on my rogue, and a protectors sword on my warr. NOw sld my rogue be a Belf or Worgen US. Those are only races i wanna go with.
 
Math would prove nothing, how do you quantify the value of burst potential over DPS? How do you quantify the value of stam, sure it doesn't help your DPS directly, but a dead player does no damage. You're looking for concrete proof where there is none. Fact is, the weapons are very close and it probably doesn't make a difference which one you choose. Shadowfang has been the accepted BiS for a very long time and oldschoolers are always going to look for a reason to use it. Right now using SF over BoA is justifiable, but so is using BoA over SF. Grow a pair and make your own decision.
 
Rivfader said:
Math would prove nothing, how do you quantify the value of burst potential over DPS? How do you quantify the value of stam, sure it doesn't help your DPS directly, but a dead player does no damage. You're looking for concrete proof where there is none. Fact is, the weapons are very close and it probably doesn't make a difference which one you choose. Shadowfang has been the accepted BiS for a very long time and oldschoolers are always going to look for a reason to use it. Right now using SF over BoA is justifiable, but so is using BoA over SF. Grow a pair and make your own decision.
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Its a forum and was asking what you guys think is.. and what the fuck does growing a pair have anything to do with deciding a weapon? That was just a stupid statement, but whatever lol.
 
Dutchman said:
Has anyone done the math to see if SF is stil BiS for rogues, or even warriors.
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Asking for math != asking for a subjective opinion. My subjective opinion, SF isn't worth the hassle anymore.
 
Rivfader said:
Asking for math != asking for a subjective opinion. My subjective opinion, SF isn't worth the hassle anymore.
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Well thank you for it. But Im asking from a different view as I already have a Shadowfang. But even if it is a little less good. or if it is the same, Il prob still use it for novelty.
 
Dutch: for your warrior think about using Razor's Edge/Gutterblade +15/+15. If no Gutterblade, then Protector's/Razor's. I just swapped to that combo on my warrior and my baseline dps is the highest I've been able to find based on many combinations. K, if you're O you may want Crusader for burst.
 
Sharper said:
Dutch: for your warrior think about using Razor's Edge/Gutterblade +15/+15. If no Gutterblade, then Protector's/Razor's. I just swapped to that combo on my warrior and my baseline dps is the highest I've been able to find based on many combinations. K, if you're O you may want Crusader for burst.
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Right now I have Protector's Sword with Crusader MH, and gutterblade with 15str OH. But I do have a razor's edge. But Im already Hitcapped so I think what I have would be best.
 
Rivfader said:
SF isn't worth the hassle anymore.
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100% true. Yes it "looks nice" and I've been using sf on at least 1 rogue since the very beginning of 19s and I'd have to say I want to use boas.... sf WAS by far #1 when it's dps and top dmg was sooo much higher than any other weapon, AND added in shadow damage per swing, AND the shadow proc (which seemed more useful back in the day) But today that isn't the case. Imo chose whatever you want, the pros and cons for boa or sf pretty much cancel eachother out. Sure in some situations one might be better than the other, but having a 2.8 speed 1h is enough reason for me to use them.



Also there are always shadowfangs available for under 5k, (if you know where to find them, but still don't waste your gold imo.)
 
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