Shadow Land alpha

Outlaw is looking like the strongest of the rogue specs again, dispatch is just a stronger version of eviscerate. Depends on how high we can stack mastery though, looking forward to playing around with it.

Losing combat potency will suck though, would be neat if they re added energetic recovery for sub and outlaw.
 
ohti said:
Disc priest mastery buffs atonement healing, we unlock mastery at level 10 but atonement isn't until level 23...

Seems legit.
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I'd be shocked if there wasn't another pass on early spell acquisition because tanks don't get their taunt until level 13ish and healers don't get their rezes until after cap too.

Traditionally, tanks and healers got those by the time dungeons become available.
 
rockworldofwarcraft said:
any twink gear guide for 10s if that happens yet? I'm worthless and lazy so I did not look around.
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nobody is gonna write up a gear guide based on some buggy data mining and incomplete alpha releases.

Right now, it looks like we'll have access to a metric fuck ton of instances. Gearing guides may very well be a thing of the past and it'll more come down to stat priority per class and/or build style.
 
There is a good chanse that items that are good for timewalking will also be BiS for twinking... Ussually those are enchantable socketed gear with high agi/stam ratio.. many of these items come from the burning crusade, im curious if they actually let 10s get the legendaries and BoE epics from legion world drops( titan forgeable stuff) and the artifacts from each expansion?... its pretty wild to think were gonna have so much choice... its.really gonna set apart twinks who put time into their chars from casuals... its gonna be so so wild to perfect these gear sets... i cant wait.


Also i have a question. Because i heard blizz wants to stop things from titanforging in SL.. only have socket/speed etc... but does that mean quest items also wont proc rare/epic anymore? That could mean things get.gf'd...

Also 19's are gonna die?... cant believe blizz is killing the oldest twinks on wow... i rly hope lvl 19's will also be lvl 10... anyway.. what do u guys think.. and how should we figure out BiS when there is so much loot to choose from? Ty
 
Dolfie said:
There is a good chanse that items that are good for timewalking will also be BiS for twinking... Ussually those are enchantable socketed gear with high agi/stam ratio.. many of these items come from the burning crusade, im curious if they actually let 10s get the legendaries and BoE epics from legion world drops( titan forgeable stuff) and the artifacts from each expansion?... its pretty wild to think were gonna have so much choice... its.really gonna set apart twinks who put time into their chars from casuals... its gonna be so so wild to perfect these gear sets... i cant wait.


Also i have a question. Because i heard blizz wants to stop things from titanforging in SL.. only have socket/speed etc... but does that mean quest items also wont proc rare/epic anymore? That could mean things get.gf'd...

Also 19's are gonna die?... cant believe blizz is killing the oldest twinks on wow... i rly hope lvl 19's will also be lvl 10... anyway.. what do u guys think.. and how should we figure out BiS when there is so much loot to choose from? Ty
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Well maybe, the problem at level 10 is that even your purple epics are like +3+4 and your greens are +3+3, so even with full enchants (like +1) and IIIIIFFF you get sockets its STILL almost nothing, you'd be looking at like +5 agility... hardly a backbreaker... engineering is all that really will matter unless they kill it, goggles, parachute, etc.

Unless there is some crazy scaling that is not evident, twink wont be much better than a guy in quest greens minus spell goggles or master engs.

FYI you can get epic foamspitter for a level 10 if you did not know... probably should sit on one of those, if that actually happens, but we have been down this road so many times with kids shooting a load over Alpha data and then NOTHING (I mean nothing) ends up being correct.
 
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Thunderforging/Warforging/Titanforging is a different system from the rare/epic quest proc.

I assume the quest reward rare/epic proc will remain because it’s meant for leveling. It wasn’t meant for passive endgame progression the way Titanforging was meant to be.
 
jackblood said:
Thunderforging/Warforging/Titanforging is a different system from the rare/epic quest proc.

I assume the quest reward rare/epic proc will remain because it’s meant for leveling. It wasn’t meant for passive endgame progression the way Titanforging was meant to be.
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I was mainly referring to the stats at level 10 versus even 19 or 20... they are tiny, titan forge/epic or not. it's like +1 main stat +1 stam per piece, thats trash.
 
JadeFire said:
I was mainly referring to the stats at level 10 versus even 19 or 20... they are tiny, titan forge/epic or not. it's like +1 main stat +1 stam per piece, thats trash.
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That doesn't sound like twink talk. Anyway, yea, the main thing that will be separating Twinks from non-twinks will be consumables, it's already been going down that way with BFA, but now with the squish, it's gonna be a smaller gap between Twinks and Non-twinks. So much for making gear matter again
 
Dragpz said:
That doesn't sound like twink talk. Anyway, yea, the main thing that will be separating Twinks from non-twinks will be consumables, it's already been going down that way with BFA, but now with the squish, it's gonna be a smaller gap between Twinks and Non-twinks. So much for making gear matter again
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JadeFire said:
I was mainly referring to the stats at level 10 versus even 19 or 20... they are tiny, titan forge/epic or not. it's like +1 main stat +1 stam per piece, thats trash.
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While im sure they have not done a pass yet fully at gems and enchants or really anything at lower level, at minimum on the current shadowlands database it seems like you can get a +3 primary stat per gem. I am sure that there will be stronger gems and stuff that is missed, I think the gap is gonna be pretty decent at least for a while. And of course as with all sockets and enchants it builds up. If we get access to all expansions there are likely gonna be some strong effects to use, maybe even Corruption? its too early to tell but I still think this is gonna open up a lot of gearing options.
 
Dragpz said:
So much for making gear matter again
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You say this like twinking is a core part of the design of WoW. After so many years are we still operating under this delusion?

The balance and design of every other system in the game will always take precedence over twink-“balance”, twink-“gameplay” and twink-“feelings”.

I don’t know how you could read anything they’re promising RE: Shadowlands and think any of it is being done for twinking as a core game mechanic!
 
jackblood said:
You say this like twinking is a core part of the design of WoW. After so many years are we still operating under this delusion?

The balance and design of every other system in the game will always take precedence over twink-“balance”, twink-“gameplay” and twink-“feelings”.

I don’t know how you could read anything they’re promising RE: Shadowlands and think any of it is being done for twinking as a core game mechanic!
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Never implied that. It's just that a big stink was thrown with Stat Templates (when High Ilvl was the only thing that mattered) back in the day. People were bitching and complaining that "gear didn't matter" and that "stat templates are bad" for Pvpers, now with the Stat Squish the difference is so minimal that it really doesn't matter about gear
 
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