Russia=North Korea

[Tom Ganks]

Biggest problem with arguing about different sides, is that neither of them truly know the other side. So shit is made up, misinterpreted, and blown out of proportion. And when these sides fail to see this, they continue to think they know their enemy better than their enemy knows themselves.

It's just like 10s and 19s

 

[inoobupro]

NATO is a threat, just because they look white doesnt mean that they dont have a 19th century mindset.

Cba to write my own thoughts and knowing myself id probably lash out at russia at some point so im just gonna copy paste this for now. This mainly applies to the people..who were never occupied by russians or were never a part of a post soviet space.

ALL RUSSIANS ARE ZOMBIES OF PUTIN! Russians are aggressive and imperialistic people. Propaganda made them zombies who blindly love Putin who robs their country (his secretary, Peskov, has a house for 470 millions rubles). Almost all of them are thinking only about Foreign Policy of Russia desite having a poor economy and infrastructure, low quality medicine and education. They hate USA (and EU) and think that American government is guilty of all troubles of Russia. Most of Russians think that they are stronger than NATO (despite statistics) and that Americans are afraid of Russian military forces. And most of them are sure that the Second Cold War will start soon and the Russia will take revenge from the US. They are sure that United States will collapse soon. Russians live in the past: they often mention the Second World War and the Cold War and they are dreaming about USSR recovery. Of course, not all Russians are so, but most of them are (over 80%). Their government is authoritarian and thinks only of foreign policy and their own wallets. They don`t develop their country. All Russian budget money are going on developing of their military forces and sport, and as loans to other countries, and, of course, to wallets of representatives of Russian government. They are constantly attacking other countries and organize proxy wars. They killed a lot of people in other countries. And simple Russians are supporting this Policy. Powers don`t give any social freedom to Russian nationals. Russians can`t even enter the peace rally and write their criticism of the government on social networks, or you may risk getting thrown in jail. But despite it Russians love their governments very much. Putin is like a God for them. They are slaves of Putin. Russia is a smaller and worse version of Soviet Union (but without communist ideology). ONE DAY THIS EVIL MUST BE DESTROYED!!! Silly West-Europens, which countries weren`t in Russia or were in it long time ago think that this country is good and like it. Russia hasn`t done any bad for them... yet. But believe me: Russia is the worst country in the world. A lots of Eurosceptics thinks love Russia and feel themselves like a slaves of Brussel. Believe me: be a slave of Brussel is much better than be a slave of Russia. Brussel don`t try to destroy your nation and kill all your patriots. Brussel helps to develop economy and culture of your country, not destroy it. And it doesn`t take your freedom.

Btw if you want anything explained more throughtfully, let me know. And, I know russian myself, I watch their news and read their newspapers. I know all(ok maybe not all) but most of their propaganda and hybrid wars.

 

[Selaya]

and how did that happen, didnt the NATO promise Gorbatchev that they wont expand to the former Warsaw Pact? Oh snap

 

[inoobupro]

and how did that happen, didnt the NATO promise Gorbatchev that they wont expand to the former Warsaw Pact? Oh snap

You are aware that NATO practically lay dormant ...until Putins ambitions and aggression awoke it , right?

Lets recap real quick

These are ALL the conflicts russia has been involved in
post 1991

POST-SOVIET CONFLICTS

-Nagorno-Karabakh
-1st South Ossetia 1st Abkhazia
-Transnistria
-Tajikistan
-North Ossetia
- Armenia–Azerbaijan border
- 2nd Abkhazia
- Russo-Georgian War
-Eastern Tajikistan

NATO/US closed their eyes on what was going on in all of those. It was not until Russia had invaded Ukraine and started propping up Assad in Syria( I do not know who is right or wrong in that conflict) did the NATO begin to reassert its dominance.

You have to understand that the NATO isnt creeping up, but countries voluntary choose to join NATO. Countries who are aware that they might be invaded next. The Balts(ppl living in Baltic countries) still remember 1939-1940 when they were occupied by the Russians. And there is still a ton of russians living in the Baltic states, who are still loyal to russia(ex: Latvia , 25% are russians) and watch that propagandist junk, so ofc the Latvians are scared another Crimea could happen and they could be next.

But im sure the russians wont whack any NATO state but any country that isnt a part of NATO is risking invasion.

P.S. I did not include the two Chechen wars because those conflicts are um... more complicated.

 

[Selaya]

Let`s conveniently forget Poland, Czecheslovakia and Hungary!
Not to mention Bulgaria, Romania, the Baltic states and Slovenia

 

[inoobupro]

Let`s conveniently forget Poland, Czecheslovakia and Hungary!
Not to mention Bulgaria, Romania, the Baltic states and Slovenia

Err I dont quite get what you are trying to say? Are you implying that the soviets also invaded and occupied Poland/CZ/Hungary?(and the others mentioned). Yes im aware of that but thats why i said post soviet conflicts in the above post I just used Latvia as an example of why post soviet countries seek to join NATO and why "it expands" as russians claim.

 

[inoobupro]

Actually here is a prime example of what i was talking about regarding Latvia, just got finished listening to this stream. They talk in English so there's no need for auto translate

tune in to 7:09 -8:04

For those too lazy to listen

"he says if there will be a war between Latvia and Russia he will go fight for fucking Russia". So picture this...these younger shitheads have been born and bred in a foreign country yet THEY ARE STILL LOYAL TO RUSSIA AND STILL WANT TO FIGHT for fucking Russia. This is what im talking about the disease of russian speaking scum spreading everywhere across europe.

 

[Selaya]

Err I dont quite get what you are trying to say? Are you implying that the soviets also invaded and occupied Poland/CZ/Hungary?(and the others mentioned). Yes im aware of that but thats why i said post soviet conflicts in the above post I just used Latvia as an example of why post soviet countries seek to join NATO and why "it expands" as russians claim.

They joined the NATO. Before Putin`s accession.

 

[inoobupro]

They joined the NATO. Before Putin`s accession.

Well ofc they did not want the 1939/1940 get repeated again.(Keep in mind that russians have tried to invade europe many a time). After seeing the cancer that most russians bring with them(like War, poverty, enslaving your nation, killing your friends) all right minded persons attempt to get away from them and basically build a wall.

 

[Selaya]

And then you wonder why Russia acts like that, it`s like a self-fulfulling prophecy

 

[inoobupro]

And then you wonder why Russia acts like that, it`s like a self-fulfulling prophecy

Omg!!! So its ok to invade sovereign countries and annex foreign territory?

Russia..doesnt really act(keep in mind that right now Russia has one person in charge, Putin ) it follows AND THATS THE PROBLEM that senile individual who has usurped all the power and has imperialistic goals in mind or at least to go down in history as some sort of a Russian Alexander the Great or Caesar. He seeks to forcefully rebuild USSR(a giant gulag)

Thats why countries join NATO, as single small countries bordering Russia cannot defend themselves from a deranged revanchist neighbor that still has a 19th century mindset.

 

[Selaya]

Did you know Crimea held a referendum about the secession from the Ukraine and the following Russian annexation, and that the overwhelming majority of its population voted for the secession?
Did you know that Crimea has, historically been a part of Russia, not the Ukraine? (Stalin saw to that.)