Rogues = Death of the Bracket

[Herald]

The only thing that will kill the 19 bracket is people like you guys that sit there and just complain about a class as opposed to doing something about it.

if this was the case then the bracket would have been ages ago just because ti mods decided to be anal about shit so we can prance around in flowers and have picnics in every warsong gulch doesnt mean it will be best for the bracket 19s is unique because shit talking and rivalry is what generates activity

hell even this argument with u guys is generating activity until some retarded mod's lock o'clock hour comes around

You can't stop people playing from playing their rogues. Learn to deal with it.

uhh well if even just the rogues that posteed in this thread played something else then we wouldnt have nearly as large of a problem as we do now since its virtually the same idiots that queue rogues every night and keep us from having competitive games

and how are we supposed to learn to deal with ignorant rogues if we have a dead bracket the way this is heading

Hunters have track stealth, use it to guard your FC or look around someone who got sapped.
Priest bubble usually completely stops a rogue from being able to land a kill.
Shamans and other classes can dot rogues to make them unable to open for a while.
If you have 2-3 rogues sticking together ganking 1 person at a time, try to stick with the group, cause rogues die FAST to a group.

looks like ur starting to get it, the reason why they are a liability is cause they are in stealth all the time and even in stealth get caught out easily by hunters and are an easy kill

ur just displaying how rogues are useless and can hardly land kills which is my point they have by far the lowest survivability of any class unless ur a god like mythical

There are many ways to stop this kind of bad play style, and when it is stopped it doesn't make rogues useless.

they may not be useless but that doesnt mean they arent a liability to their team we're talking about a bracket that revolves around caster dps in a huge midfight. i can count on one hand the number of active rogues that would actually contribute

Rogues can guard your FC, surprising any enemy trying to kill him/her.
Rogues are great Flag carriers themselves. You know how far you can get with a swiftness pot and evasion?
If you're guarding your Fc, and know hes about to die, you can pick the flag up out of stealth and take off with it without anyone expecting you.
You can sap enemy healers before they get in combat to prevent them from being useful for 15 seconds or so.
You can ambush other rogues to kill them quickly.

rogues guarding ur fc? wtf kind of logic is that is it ur goal to be more autistic than awesome?

rogues were great fcs in maybe wotlk i think u meant to post that in some patch 3.3.5 private server or maybe ur just retarded and first off speed pots are really frowned upon in this bracket and the second u get hit by any sort of conc, frostbolt, bm monk barrel, its useless. why do u think no one with a brain plays as a worgen? and evasion doesnt do jack shit against casters not sure if ur small brain has figured that out yet

sapping enemy healers before they get in combat doesnt happen very often and while ur sitting around in stealth waiting for a healer to drop out of combat ur team is playing a man down.

ambushing other rogues to kill them quickly is probably the most retarded logic ever. once a rogue opens they are literally a sitting duck unless ur mythical ofc. why open on a target thats gonna die anyways and expose urself to the other team's ranged dps?? ur literally in the same position as the scrub rogue that u just opened on. this is noob i wanna gank ppl mentality

theres literally only one use of a rogue and u failed to mention it. in a competitive midfight game its to take the enemy team's resto hut leaf so that their healers can't get mana. and even then its only a portion of the time because it depends on the positioning of both teams ie: if ur team is in positioin to be able to get resto hut ur rogue sure as hell better not be taking it

and to top it off pretty much only top rogues that have premade experience with reputable guilds know about this strategy, watch TC vs WT premade the vid from silins perspective and u will see workz doing what im talking about

It's a TEAM effort when it comes to WSG. Play like it, and you won't be complaining about these things.
You know Livingforce the NE priest? He had 1.3k hp at one point, and I would usually get the kill off on him with the opener. You know what he did? HE GOT MORE STAMINA and can outlive the opener well long enough to get me killed.

oh my. dont u get it u cant work with a team that has multiple rogues against a team that has less rogues. once again u are displaying how rogue isnt viable, if you cant manage to kill a priest as a rogue u are a huge liability to ur team and your team would benefit from having an extra searing totem instead of u





after reading ur posts im starting to think that uve been trolling this whole time since i cant see how someone can be this .

ti should implement a troll award title for u to have on ur ti account

 

[FrozenWill]

Well isn't that exactly what I said?

Yep, stating that some of the veteran players must have been garbage to quit already from rogues, it's easy to talk with people and make friends and premade and stop rogues in a group. Rogues aren't 100% of the reason why people quit.

 

[Solipsist]

Yeah, you're right - there were a lot, now there aren't. But, despite all of the anti-rogue posts made around here, and the messages I've gotten PMd to me while playing my rogue telling me to re roll a ranged class (I'm sure other rogues have gotten that, too) - the rogues are still here, while the veteran twinks have left (or moved to alliance to play NE rogue). They aren't going away, just like hunters never went away.

This is a noble-ish post, and I hate that I had to elaborate upon a simple statement over and over and over - but you can't just tell a rogue to re-roll and expect them to re-roll. A bracket has to adapt, or wait the flavor of the month out.

Well really I'd only be telling 30% to reroll since I know 70% have another classes but continue to stain competition. People could adapt to hunters and druids when they were FOTM. However asking for people to adapt to a large amount of rogues won't happen. They are far detrimental than any other class, as I and many other have explained here.

 

[Solipsist]

Yep, stating that some of the veteran players must have been garbage to quit already from rogues, it's easy to talk with people and make friends and premade and stop rogues in a group. Rogues aren't 100% of the reason why people quit.

The only reason I haven't quit is because I love this bracket and want to see it succeed. If I didn't care I would have quit with the rest of them.

 

[FrozenWill]

The only reason I haven't quit is because I love this bracket and want to see it succeed. If I didn't care I would have quit with the rest of them.

I and I'm sure a lot of other people love the bracket too, but what some of us are trying to say is that it is what it is and we have to just wait and see what happens because I'm sure when WoD hits there will be a lot more activity. Blizzard is at fault here partially because of this, mainly because they couldn't give 2 shits about twinks and how to balance low levels. So when we get a new FOTM class, most people playing that class might feel like shit for doing so and some most could care less. And in this situation, since most rogues could care less (which is completely fine) this, means that creating threads about all of this won't really change anything but create havoc.(especially for those who really love to play their rogue). And I'm super tired right now so sorry if my post had run-ons rofl

 

[Herald]

That is the entire point lol. Your opinion is that cutting rogues out of 19s will fix games, and that opinion varies person to person.

hey autist its literally only u and the people who ruin games on their rougues every day defending them

but them again u ahve stated earlier that u agree rogues are in some shape or form bad for the bracket so u must be trolling, guess u dont want to lose that troll award title to that other fucktard whose name i cant remember

A poll would accomplish nothing, we'd be counting books as a library burned.

bet me. is there some sort of collision to be had between the forums and the in-game queues if a poll is made? are u implying that queues will stop if a poll is made on ti?

And yes, FOTM is also kind of the big issue... FOTM = flavor of the month, rogues = abundant, therefore rogues = FOTM. I'm actually getting frustrated now, and I have to be up early for my brother's graduation tomorrow so I have to leave.

why are u getting frustrated, if ur getting frustrated while trolling ur not doing a good job of it looks like u might lose that troll award to that other dipshit even though itll be close

and u clearly dont know what fotm means

from wowwiki.com:

"FOTM or Flavor of the Month refers to those WoW players who choose a class right after a patch has buffed it, or change class because their previous class is no longer invincible."

first off rogues have not been buffed and are no where near invincible, probly the farthest class from it. on top of it, most of the shitters that play it are too lost to even realize what classes are invincible and what classes just fucking suck

I find it amusing that one of the biggest advocates of containment in 19s has just made a thread singling out rogues after having played a hunter in GY for years. I hate to play devil's advocate, but it's true - and it's really frustrating that I'm the only one who can see it this way.

I'm not saying rogues should over-populate anything - I'm just saying that Agonist's goal is not a realistic goal.

i dont get how u can be so clueless to not realize that the reason why a team gets contained is almost always because of either a lack of healers or an abundance of rogues or a combination of the two. those shitty rogues are taking valuable spots that could be filled by something viable like a healer. they sit in stealth while their teammates play at a huge disadvantage and get contained

his goal is very realistic if every rogue that posted in this thread stopped queuing their rogue from now on the bracket has a bright future

the goal is 10000000000 times more realistitc than u becomeing even a sub par player in this bracket or even a fucking f2p bracket comprised of only brazilians

 

[Herald]

You are obviously new, and weren't there.



For the hell of it, though, a few other reason's for a failing bracket COULD be the lack of veteran horde players, abundance of veteran alliance players, NE shadowmeld + rogue equating to Vanish at level 19, Lack of horde leadership, lack of active horde guilds, and pessimism of veterans of both factions.

Just from what I've observed over the passed week or so.

why the fuck do you think the vet horde players stopped playing? cause of retards like u and the rogues who ruin games with either their class or lack of skill and let me tell u right now the vet horde players are a hell of a lot better than these vet alliance players u speak of though i dont think they exist unless they play boht factions.

 

[Awesome]

hey autist its literally only u and the people who ruin games on their rougues every day defending them

but them again u ahve stated earlier that u agree rogues are in some shape or form bad for the bracket so u must be trolling, guess u dont want to lose that troll award title to that other fucktard whose name i cant remember



bet me. is there some sort of collision to be had between the forums and the in-game queues if a poll is made? are u implying that queues will stop if a poll is made on ti?



why are u getting frustrated, if ur getting frustrated while trolling ur not doing a good job of it looks like u might lose that troll award to that other dipshit even though itll be close

and u clearly dont know what fotm means

from wowwiki.com:

"FOTM or Flavor of the Month refers to those WoW players who choose a class right after a patch has buffed it, or change class because their previous class is no longer invincible."

first off rogues have not been buffed and are no where near invincible, probly the farthest class from it. on top of it, most of the shitters that play it are too lost to even realize what classes are invincible and what classes just fucking suck



ur the only who sees it this way because u suffer from a severe case of autism that no one else in this bracket has.

i dont get how u can be so clueless to not realize that the reason why a team gets contained is almost always because of either a lack of healers or an abundance of rogues or a combination of the two. those shitty rogues are taking valuable spots that could be filled by something viable like a healer. they sit in stealth while their teammates play at a huge disadvantage and get contained

his goal is very realistic if every rogue that posted in this thread stopped queuing their rogue from now on the bracket has a bright future

the goal is 10000000000 times more realistitc than u becomeing even a sub par player in this bracket or even a fucking f2p bracket comprised of only brazilians

You literally wrote an essay for me lol you're great

 

[Awesome]

Oh god this loser just ruined a good thread... Lock inc in the morning, no doubt.

 

[Herald]

the rogues are still here, while the veteran twinks have left (or moved to alliance to play NE rogue). They aren't going away, just like hunters never went away.

This is a noble-ish post, and I hate that I had to elaborate upon a simple statement over and over and over - but you can't just tell a rogue to re-roll and expect them to re-roll. A bracket has to adapt, or wait the flavor of the month out.

please tell me what veteran twink has rerolled a NE rogue on ally

if rogues arent gonna reroll, especially ones posting on here then the brackets gonna be dead soon for the rest of the expansion

and dont even call rogues fotm its more lost idiots of the month who are killing a bracket

 

[Whatgoesup]

Guys, lets keep the language down a bit and the posts on topic. Infractions are going to be handed out now and more will follow if you all cannot be more civil and on topic.

Not locking this thread, yet

 

[Awesome]

mr. autist, please tell me what veteran twink has rerolled a NE rogue on ally

if rogues arent gonna reroll, especially ones posting on here then the brackets gonna be dead soon for the rest of the expansion

and dont even fucking call rogues fotm its more lost idiots of the month who are killing a bracket

I'm so fucking tired and I bet it's passed your bedtime, but you should sleep and TRY to think about how to talk to a human being in a way that will demand an engaging, insightful response, rather than being a dick and making a fool of yourself.

I I feel like you literally have no idea what anyone is talking about, and you only made your account to troll me after I carried you in WC a few days ago. So go, sleep, and try to be nice rofl I know it's hard for you.

I hate speaking to you like I speak to my, ironically, autistic brother - whose high school graduation I have to go to in the morning. Thanks for keeping me up.

 

[Herald]

I'm so fucking tired and I bet it's passed your bedtime, but you should sleep and TRY to think about how to talk to a human being in a way that will demand an engaging, insightful response, rather than being a dick and making a fool of yourself.

way to dodge the question notice how ive provided factual evidence for many things whereas ur excuse is that its past my bedtime. did you ever think that maybe i dont live on the same side of the world as u?

I I feel like you literally have no idea what anyone is talking about, and you only made your account to troll me after I carried you in WC a few days ago. So go, sleep, and try to be nice rofl I know it's hard for you.

please, recount said otherwise i was the top damage in our group u werent doing jack shit

 

[Solipsist]

I don't see why this thread should be locked. Despite a few people not agreeing, it's a good topic to discuss.

 

[FrozenWill]

I think infractions should be handed out to those naughty naughty rogues out there you guys know who you are, we all can agree on that right? Let's take a raise of hands lol ok that's the only troll post I could think of before I go to bed, g'night

 

[Herald]

I don't see why this thread should be locked. Despite a few people not agreeing, it's a good topic to discuss.

the trolls getting frustrated thats why he wants it locked



and hey awesome, i thought ur leaving the thread for now?

I'm actually getting frustrated now, and I have to be up early for my brother's graduation tomorrow so I have to leave

few responses later and ur still viewing this thread

 

[FrozenWill]

I don't see why this thread should be locked. Despite a few people not agreeing, it's a good topic to discuss.

It's been a great discussion, but a lot of the posts now are kind of beating the dead horse lol

 

[FrozenWill]

the trolls getting frustrated thats why he wants it locked


Funny thing is, I have a level 14 troll rogue which gets trashed on in westfall by crap geared palidans lol but that's on occasion because when you have ToV main hand and Boa dagger offhand it's easy to light newbies up in westfall.

 

[Whatgoesup]

I don't see why this thread should be locked. Despite a few people not agreeing, it's a good topic to discuss.

I'm not locking it, I think it's a good topic to discuss and it should be discussed. However, as we've all seen in the past, threads can really get out of hand really quickly which leads to locking. So everyone, please keep that in mind and continue on topic.

 

[Herald]

and look who is still viewing the thread.. looks like u saying u had to get up early in the morning was just an excuse to dodge giving valid points