RIP ROP etc.

Brov said:
I already did this :( 2nd post maaaan
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Gah. Grandfathered gear just screws off the game. I mean I'm glad I have almost everything, but still. GF'ed gear gives an advantage that cannot be reconciled without use of a time machine. Blizz just needs bite the bullet and unify faction quest rewards (Good idea, Swoops) . They could have different names, but same gear in every other way). I don't know how Blizzard thought that making two unequal sets of gear would be better than one. I mean since no one even reads quest panels, why did they think it would be interesting to basically roleplay having different stats on your gear. I don't see how anyone would find that interesting, am I missing something?

TL;DR: Grandfathered gear, and separate, unequal quest reward are terrible for the game, and need to stop.
 
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srsbsns said:
Gah. Grandfathered gear just screws off the game. I mean I'm glad I have almost everything, but still. GF'ed gear gives an advantage that cannot be reconciled without use of a time machine. Blizz just needs bite the bullet and unify faction quest rewards (Good idea, Swoops) . They could have different names, but same gear in every other way). I don't know how Blizzard thought that making two unequal sets of gear would be better than one. I mean since no one even reads quest panels, why did they think it would be interesting to basically roleplay having different stats on your gear. I don't see how anyone would find that interesting, am I missing something?

TL;DR: Grandfathered gear, and separate, unequal quest reward are terrible for the game, and need to stop.
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I don't think they do it intentionally. Most players would tell you that it doesn't matter because of BoAs, you're going to outlevel it and find better gear anyway etc. Blizzard doesn't really give a shit about twinks. After they pissed and moaned to get exp off brackets, and then exploited to get back into exp on brackets for easy games, blizzard washed there hands of it. Although it looks like the 19s were able to rally support for skirmishes, so thats cool. It'd be great if they did do away with faction imbalanced gear and just implemented full sets of boa pvp gear. You'd think it would be easier to balance around, and players could have even playing field.


OT multiple players have already posted results disproving wowheads current decree. It's a zone drop anyhow, right? So theoretically those items should drop regardless of the replaced mobs.
 
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WELP.

Time to farm RoP, Doomspike x2, and Axe of the Enforcer.
 
Deadvulcano said:
Yes, but how do those links answer either of my questions?
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It's a link in wowhead. That's why it answers all your questions as there are no timestamps.

Brov said:
I already did this :( 2nd post maaaan
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Ya but already in this update on PTR? Blizz changes quite a lot. beta = PTR? There are differences as far as I know. Which version is more likely to go live?
 
Learning from this thread that when I learn about GF'd stuff or bugs from people on Skype, I shouldn't post for the theory nerds on TI to attack it with zero actual experience on the PTR. Theory wizards have always been hilarious...

For people that don't get it: If you aren't on the PTR, your opinion is unnecessary unless you're asking someone on the PTR to check something for you. Otherwise you know diddly squat and any text you put down is hurting, NOT helping the discussion.
 
Adal said:
But Wowhead says it doesn't drop mister, and a GM told me too!
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No, but you see this guy that I know on Skype, knows a guy that knows a guy in game, that knows a guy that posted on some twink forum about it dropping and then he told a guy who told a girl who told me!!!

See so even though I don't have the PTR, I'm gonna throw that out there and it's totally a respectable point with evidence and everything!!
 
srsbsns said:
Gah. Grandfathered gear just screws off the game. I mean I'm glad I have almost everything, but still. GF'ed gear gives an advantage that cannot be reconciled without use of a time machine. Blizz just needs bite the bullet and unify faction quest rewards (Good idea, Swoops) . They could have different names, but same gear in every other way). I don't know how Blizzard thought that making two unequal sets of gear would be better than one. I mean since no one even reads quest panels, why did they think it would be interesting to basically roleplay having different stats on your gear. I don't see how anyone would find that interesting, am I missing something?

TL;DR: Grandfathered gear, and separate, unequal quest reward are terrible for the game, and need to stop.
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Endgame (Tier pieces and PvP pieces) has been the same for a long long time as far as gear stats. Only the names and models differ. You have to realize. Much of the gear that we use is base on the game 9-10 years ago. ** of the wolf items have int/agi on them. Nothing in the game today can use that effectively. But in Vanilla and tBC it was viable for Hunters and enhance shaman.
We really will not know for sure if it had been removed until we get a report of someone getting it to drop post 6.0x. I have read that rare drop chances have been increase. However, the increase may be miniscule.
/cheers

Sweetsidney
 
Tyramissoux said:
This time, the mobs were removed. There are no more Naga, Twilight guys or Threshers. In SFK, the mob lvls were just lowered.
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Well that's not true, the skeleton mages and warriors are new. the posion ghouls are new. The abos in godfreys chambers (formely arugals chambers) are new and mobs like the sons of arugal were removed.
 
Goesid said:
Well that's not true, the skeleton mages and warriors are new. the posion ghouls are new. The abos in godfreys chambers (formely arugals chambers) are new and mobs like the sons of arugal were removed.
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it was much better dung be4. <3 werewolves
 
Allybeboba said:
Endgame (Tier pieces and PvP pieces) has been the same for a long long time as far as gear stats. Only the names and models differ. You have to realize. Much of the gear that we use is base on the game 9-10 years ago. ** of the wolf items have int/agi on them. Nothing in the game today can use that effectively. But in Vanilla and tBC it was viable for Hunters and enhance shaman.
We really will not know for sure if it had been removed until we get a report of someone getting it to drop post 6.0x. I have read that rare drop chances have been increase. However, the increase may be miniscule.
/cheers

Sweetsidney
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I get you, you don't see a many "of the Falcon" twinks running around, but our dungeons have been revamped somewhat recently. I know Bobby Kotick, CEO doesn't care about twinks or WoW in general, and probably wishes we would all just die and give him all our money. But if I thought that they cared, my question to Blizzard would be: how are two different sets of gear better than one? What purpose does keeping the factions on a separate power progression serve? My guess is that they would say it adds a layer of flavor to the game. Which I say to that: that is the weakest crap I've ever heard, how is that not just low-RP.

If BoAs, are the way to go, why not just remove all non-endgame gear from the game, monsters can just drop enchanting mats and gold and gtg. Blizzard, realized that heirlooms pretty much just f---ked off the game, that's why they are making the panel, it's the first step in making them non-relevant.
 
danny glover said:
not one reliable source in this thread.

gg gossip girls.
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wowhead is as reliable as it can be in this situation.
no dataz to support new mobs drop it - no longer drops.

Whether or not ppl wanna take chances in not farming it is other thing.
 
I'm really confused...this is my third time stating that I got doomspike to drop off one of the new mobs in BFD off of the beta, which is probably more up to date than that of ptr. Even if that was the case it wouldn't matter. Blizzard usually doesn't intentionally make this stuff GFed, they just tweak the dungeon and input their little calculations and overlap on the old and these things happen as a byproduct. Wowhead is assuming that since the old mobs are now gone, the various loot that dropped from them is gone as well.

Compare this to SFK's revamp in cataclysm. The worgen that inhabited the place dropped various items such as night reaver/mtb etc, and the new mobs that replaced them drop those items as well. Only when technical issues arise such as mobs dropping higher level loot than their level themselves do things get GFed (Think of almost every low lvl questing zone rare in the game after the cata revamp).

If BFD were to become a level 19 dungeon, then it would be safe to say that most of the BOEs would be GFed.
 
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