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[Dform]

In general, I think people conflate complexity with difficulty and then difficulty with quality.

Vanilla is a more complex game. Therefore, they reason, it must be more difficult and thus better.

Which would be fine if that reasoning didn't then completely collapse when folks try to explain why they prefer twinking to end game.

I mean classic isn't even complex, it's just slow paced and grindy, the end game content is a complete joke, Asmongold did MC like a week ago with a 10 man lmao, I personally don't have nostalgia because to me there isn't much nostalgia it's not the same game as 2004-2007, everyone is 100 times better at the game, the only thing i can see it having going for it is world pvp, end game bg's will be nothing but 24/7 premades for people no lifing to push rank 14, every raid that comes out will more or less be one shotted including Naxx, you see Naxx isn't a hard raid by any means, it's just you need to be geared and then 90% of the fights are tank and spanks. I think people just generally jump on the bandwagon, from my understanding most of the people that are excited about 19 twinking or twinking in general are the people who either A) experienced it while it was live, or B) people who haven't touched live in like 4-5 years or more. Neon here is on the 19 twink band wagon even though he's most likely never actually played a 19 classic twink before

 

[Chops]

The game peaked in TBC and most people's nostalgia is rooted there. They just think it was vanilla because memory is weird.

 

[Apnea]

i mean it can't be "better" than retail by its own nature - it's literally the first iteration of the game before the 15 years of improvement, fixes and design innovation.

i feel like it's only difficult because it's just wow hard mode. like it's mechanically tougher sure, the world wasn't as balanced in general as it is now.

i dont know, to me it seems analogous to insisting that honda re-release the original civic for yall to drive while youre paying honda for the brand new type R but saying its too polished and streamlined to drive.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Druiddroid]

In general, I think people conflate complexity with difficulty and then difficulty with quality.

Vanilla is a more complex game. Therefore, they reason, it must be more difficult and thus better.

Which would be fine if that reasoning didn't then completely collapse when folks try to explain why they prefer twinking to end game.

so what makes retail so awful? im having a bunch of fun in the 20 bracket because as an ex-19 goon, it's the closest feel in comparison.

it's so easy to gear a functional tink, like literally. i finished 4.5 characters over the course of a week. the community is pretty vibrant and who can pass on games basically 24/7?

im not trying to fan the retail vs classic fire, just genuinely curious why people think classic is better.

I mean classic isn't even complex, it's just slow paced and grindy, the end game content is a complete joke, Asmongold did MC like a week ago with a 10 man lmao, I personally don't have nostalgia because to me there isn't much nostalgia it's not the same game as 2004-2007, everyone is 100 times better at the game, the only thing i can see it having going for it is world pvp, end game bg's will be nothing but 24/7 premades for people no lifing to push rank 14, every raid that comes out will more or less be one shotted including Naxx, you see Naxx isn't a hard raid by any means, it's just you need to be geared and then 90% of the fights are tank and spanks. I think people just generally jump on the bandwagon, from my understanding most of the people that are excited about 19 twinking or twinking in general are the people who either A) experienced it while it was live, or B) people who haven't touched live in like 4-5 years or more. Neon here is on the 19 twink band wagon even though he's most likely never actually played a 19 classic twink before

Vanilla twinking is potentially fun for these reasons:

Precise movements are rewarded very much. Being able to near perfectly strafe backwards allows you to parry/dodge abilities and autoattacks. Timing jumps against CC is also important, such as against a Warrior’s charge, one can jump out of range of their next autoattack or hamstring. And movement at 19s is capped, so following precise pathing to either get away from someone or stay on someone is vital, especially for FCs and melee classes. These precise movement techniques and their rewards make vanilla twinks very skill-based.

Vanilla twinks are also overpowering. Vanilla twinks take a relatively long time and commitment to make. This means some people will only have access to twinks once they have spent months on them. A fully geared vanilla twink feels decked out and overpowers all of those that did not spend their time gearing. Feeling that power is another reason why people like vanilla twinking.

And finally, the nostalgia factor. Some people love their vanilla twinks and will never let go. Being able to re-experience the same twink quests, same twink gear, and same twink PvP from many years ago is desired. We can see clear effects of peoples’ nostalgia from all of the coming back threads on this site. People miss each other, too. People want to get back together and play the same twinks with the same people.
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The game peaked in TBC and most people's nostalgia is rooted there. They just think it was vanilla because memory is weird.

TBC is far more similar to vanilla than retail. This nostalgic fondness of vanilla is not that weird.

 

[Chops]

Vanilla twinking is potentially fun for these reasons:

Precise movements are rewarded very much. Being able to near perfectly strafe backwards allows you to parry/dodge abilities and autoattacks. Timing jumps against CC is also important, such as against a Warrior’s charge, one can jump out of range of their next autoattack or hamstring. And movement at 19s is capped, so following precise pathing to either get away from someone or stay on someone is vital, especially for FCs and melee classes. These precise movement techniques make vanilla twinks very skill-based.

Vanilla twinks are also overpowering. Vanilla twinks take a relatively long time and commitment to make. A fully geared vanilla twink feels beefy and decked out. Feeling that power is another reason why people like vanilla twinking.

All these things are true of end game.

TBC is far more similar to vanilla than retail. This nostalgic fondness of vanilla is not that weird.

it's not the nostalgia that I was calling weird, but how memory works.

Just look at how many people are shocked to learn (be reminded) that dodge rogues were a tbc thing and not a vanilla thing.

 

[Druiddroid]

All these things are true of end game.

I cited reasons to play vanilla twinks. It seemed there was genuine confusion as to the why people do it.

All these things are true of end game.

it's not the nostalgia that I was calling weird, but how memory works.

Just look at how many people are shocked to learn (be reminded) that dodge rogues were a tbc thing and not a vanilla thing.

Yes fair, I misinterpreted your point. Memory is weird indeed.

Despite dodge rogues and other specific forms of twinks not being a thing, vanilla twinks still play and gear similarly to what people remember.

 

[Apnea]

Vanilla twinking is potentially fun for these reasons:

Precise movements are rewarded very much. Being able to near perfectly strafe backwards allows you to parry/dodge abilities and autoattacks. Timing jumps against CC is also important, such as against a Warrior’s charge, one can jump out of range of their next autoattack or hamstring. And movement at 19s is capped, so following precise pathing to either get away from someone or stay on someone is vital, especially for FCs and melee classes. These precise movement techniques and their rewards make vanilla twinks very skill-based.

Vanilla twinks are also overpowering. Vanilla twinks take a relatively long time and commitment to make. This means some people will only have access to twinks once they have spent months on them. A fully geared vanilla twink feels decked out and overpowers all of those that did not spend their time gearing. Feeling that power is another reason why people like vanilla twinking.

And finally, the nostalgia factor. Some people love their vanilla twinks and will never let go. Being able to re-experience the same twink quests, same twink gear, and same twink PvP from many years ago is desired. We can see clear effects of peoples’ nostalgia from all of the coming back threads on this site. People miss each other, too. People want to get back together and play the same twinks with the same people.
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TBC is far more similar to vanilla than retail. This nostalgic fondness of vanilla is not that weird.

valid reasons, i get that and to each his own. but isn't that basically what we have now in 20s? a large group of tinks in with levelers that usually body the non tinks? except classic has the hard mode challenge of leveling and gearing while trying to avoid leveling past 19

i do understand that nostalgia is a very important factor in peoples' decisions to play it, but i also think that it's the sole reason and that the observation of skill is entirely subjective.

 

[tence]

The character models and animations in vanilla were way better. I miss the option to keep old character models .

I agree the game peaked in tbc. A lot of people are going to be really disappointed when bgs come out and all of their hours of work and effort are going to equate to the same general experience they tried to escape from. People should be setting realistic expectations and removing classic from this godly pedestal they all worship it from.

 

[Druiddroid]

valid reasons, i get that and to each his own. but isn't that basically what we have now in 20s? a large group of tinks in with levelers that usually body the non tinks? except classic has the hard mode challenge of leveling and gearing while trying to avoid leveling past 19

i do understand that nostalgia is a very important factor in peoples' decisions to play it, but i also think that it's the sole reason and that the observation of skill is entirely subjective.

In addition, you have Knacks playing F2Ps which enhances your argument. Someone who is more skilled, socially superior, and prettier than me is too intimidating for me to face. I’d rather stay in my nostalgic lane.

 

[Goesid]

In addition, you have Knacks playing F2Ps which enhances your argument. Someone who is more skilled, socially superior, and prettier than me is too intimidating for me to face. I’d rather stay in my nostalgic lane.

Did you get hacked?

 

[Kracks]

Unban JwlCop

He was a guest.

 

[Light]

He was a guest.

will you be my irl twink
you know you want real man like me

 

[Neon]

Did you make this thread strictly to continue to spew your opinion that no one here cares about, considering you've been spamming "classic is life" for the past 3 months, and yet you seem to spend more time on xpoff than on the amazing classic experience that is far from actual classic experience

Already have a 60 resto druid soon to have a 60 destro lock.
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I mean classic isn't even complex, it's just slow paced and grindy, the end game content is a complete joke, Asmongold did MC like a week ago with a 10 man lmao, I personally don't have nostalgia because to me there isn't much nostalgia it's not the same game as 2004-2007, everyone is 100 times better at the game, the only thing i can see it having going for it is world pvp, end game bg's will be nothing but 24/7 premades for people no lifing to push rank 14, every raid that comes out will more or less be one shotted including Naxx, you see Naxx isn't a hard raid by any means, it's just you need to be geared and then 90% of the fights are tank and spanks. I think people just generally jump on the bandwagon, from my understanding most of the people that are excited about 19 twinking or twinking in general are the people who either A) experienced it while it was live, or B) people who haven't touched live in like 4-5 years or more. Neon here is on the 19 twink band wagon even though he's most likely never actually played a 19 classic twink before

Well I have never played a classic 19 but it isn't about that there is so many twinks in every bracket to be made.
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i mean it can't be "better" than retail by its own nature - it's literally the first iteration of the game before the 15 years of improvement, fixes and design innovation.

i feel like it's only difficult because it's just wow hard mode. like it's mechanically tougher sure, the world wasn't as balanced in general as it is now.

i dont know, to me it seems analogous to insisting that honda re-release the original civic for yall to drive while youre paying honda for the brand new type R but saying its too polished and streamlined to drive.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Everything in retail seems spoonfed with a silver spoon and the races and class animations look like diablo 4. Also classic wow has a more badass combat system just my opinion once you play classic you can't go back.
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will you be my irl twink
you know you want real man like me

In addition, you have Knacks playing F2Ps which enhances your argument. Someone who is more skilled, socially superior, and prettier than me is too intimidating for me to face. I’d rather stay in my nostalgic lane.

Also people like Light and others have some of the worst attitudes and lack self control.

 

[Voc]

Precise movements

still do but coming from a guard bm monk not surprised

 

[Puempeekstoh]

still do but coming from a guard bm monk not surprised

Any statement from you is meaningless.

 

[Voc]

Any statement from you is meaningless.

?

 

[Druiddroid]

still do but coming from a guard bm monk not surprised

Exactly. My lack of precise movement skill could be compensated by class/race in later expansions.