Resto druid two piece T5 = God mode.

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glancealot said:
32.5% resil reduction is when diminishing returns for resilience starts.

by your logic (which is essentially centered around diminishing returns), if i don't want to "gimp" myself, i should start stacking stamina once i reach 32.5% reduction.

but 32.5% is simply not enough.
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Damage Reduction, not Diminishing Returns. IE: Not dying. Not sure about battlegrounds, but in arenas it's almost always better to gear for Resilience and Stamina equally.
 
I suggest people take a read about resilience and it's supposed "diminishing returns" right here.

Resilience explained 4.3.

On topic of the buff given by 2 set tier 5. You may not have to switch out to get the buff but you will be out in caster form for a GCD before going back to bear. If you are caught in a stun in that, it did not pay off, as an example. Still think it is situational.
 
mrdoobry said:
I suggest people take a read about resilience and it's supposed "diminishing returns" right here.

Resilience explained 4.3.

On topic of the buff given by 2 set tier 5. You may not have to switch out to get the buff but you will be out in caster form for a GCD before going back to bear. If you are caught in a stun in that, it did not pay off, as an example. Still think it is situational.
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Diminishing returns are already calculated in your character window so it doesn't change anything.

Also, I believe those formulas are for 85, sadly.
 
mrdoobry said:
You may not have to switch out to get the buff but you will be out in caster form for a GCD before going back to bear. If you are caught in a stun in that,
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true.

but how does that make two piece T5 bad? it's not like without two piece T5, one simply now stays in bear form:p
 
mrdoobry said:
Your answer proves you did not even read it and we know it already shows in your window, it is about effectiveness of resilience versus amount you have...

/sigh
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I have read it. The formula I use takes into account resilience compared to your overall health because it's proportional to it. I'm not sure what you're getting at. More resilience is more effective but my point is comparing it to Stamina, to see which gives more benefit for overall survivability.
 
mrdoobry said:
Your answer proves you did not even read it and we know it already shows in your window, it is about effectiveness of resilience versus amount you have...

/sigh
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i just finished reading it, very good post.

TL;DR version for lazy people:

resil is better than stamina, but you do not want to gimp yourself severely just to have a tiny bit more resil.
 
iaccidentallytwink said:
I have read it. The formula I use takes into account resilience compared to your overall health because it's proportional to it. I'm not sure what you're getting at. More resilience is more effective but my point is comparing it to Stamina, to see which gives more benefit for overall survivability.
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Excerpt from linked guide:

"The effect of an absolute ("fixed") increase of mitigation is higher the higher your mitigation is, but just because resilience doesn't provide an absolute increase of mitigation it doesn't mean it gets proportionally worse. In fact the resilience formula makes sure that your survivability increases per resilience rating by exactly the same % no matter what your resilience is, which means your effective health actually increases faster as you stack resilience. Survivability per resilience point is increasingly better and better."
 
mrdoobry said:
Excerpt from linked guide:

"The effect of an absolute ("fixed") increase of mitigation is higher the higher your mitigation is, but just because resilience doesn't provide an absolute increase of mitigation it doesn't mean it gets proportionally worse. In fact the resilience formula makes sure that your survivability increases per resilience rating by exactly the same % no matter what your resilience is, which means your effective health actually increases faster as you stack resilience. Survivability per resilience point is increasingly better and better."
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Of course each point increases your survivability more and more, but the whole point is that after a certain point Stamina does it BETTER. You're gimping yourself by not realizing that and continuing to stack Resilience.
 
by switching from 2 piece brut +2 piece brut to 2 piece T5 + 2 piece brut, all i lose is a tiny bit of resil/stam/int.

and suddenly i cannot heal others anymore.

good logic and reasoning gents.
 
i might use it a bit excessively at the moment because instant regrowth is kinda addicting to be honest:)

still learning the class as you can see only 5000 life time kills on this druid.
 
TL;DR I use regrowth when I am only down 3k health, and have about 7k over healing, but idc
 
threesets said:
TL;DR I use regrowth when I am only down 3k health, and have about 7k over healing, but idc
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omen of clarity is a good friend of mine.

3 stacks of lifebloom + omen of clarity procs+ Empowered Touch + two piece T5 = endless joy
 
Worked out highest effective health on my druid, self buffed is around 675 resilience with my gear which is around 41.74% mitigation.

However, this assumes a fight from full health and having higher resil if you get caught at half health or less will give more weight to resilience. Stacking in the 675-700 region is fine for most average geared resto druids it seems.

BUT that assumes you swap 20 resilience gems with 30 stamina ones (why they are more effective giving 30 instead of 20 and scale with buffs). Most people who drop resilience gems will get more Int. Then you have scale of healing etc...lol.

Stacking res is fine as long as you do not gimp your overall health, balancing it seems the best way. (I prefer to stack it as I do not live in Bear Form and usually have other external buffs to improve overall health, still have about 15.8k self buffed.).

P.S. This also only effects personal survivability and not the ability to keep your friends up better (more int) and for longer (more regen).
 
mrdoobry said:
BUT that assumes you swap 20 resilience gems with 30 stamina ones (why they are more effective giving 30 instead of 20 and scale with buffs). Most people who drop resilience gems will get more Int. Then you have scale of healing etc...lol.
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Right, but my calculations is assuming people are stacking resilience for effective health, which is what I'm attempting to calculate.
 
if i had JC instead of mining (which i picked up to level engi) i'd have 42 more resil and 60 less stamina.

but i am not dropping a prof that i leveled all the way to 450 :)
 
glancealot said:
if i had JC instead of mining (which i picked up to level engi) i'd have 42 more resil and 60 less stamina.

but i am not dropping a prof that i leveled all the way to 450 :)
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Yes but if you was JC you could have 63 stam from gems (3 more), and the freedom to choose different stats for different specs or for PvE/PvP... :rolleyes:
 
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