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  1. jackblood

    jackblood Member

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    IgnoreBrain ~ Level 20 Protection Warrior

    Strictly for PvE dungeon carries.

    Missing one piece (Returning Champion), but I think this is about as BiS as I can get without farming epics.

    3004 HP & 23% Versatility when fully buffed.

    0% Haste because Into The Fray gives me 15% Haste at all times. Thorium Shield Spike is doing about 4% total DPS per dungeon run, which is about the same as Mark of the Hidden Satyr. Weapon-swapping for Crusader procs devalues Strength rating—hence the agility mail choices (ditto for Armor rating because of the Vanguard passive). Darkwater Talwar barely does 1% DPS unfortunately.

    Definitely thinking of race-changing for a racial stun (Highmountain probably). The rare wipe is often due to not having an extra, non-bomb stun on large groups—particularly during the sleep-caster gauntlet in Wailing Caverns and four-boss Ragefire pulls.

    Any suggestions or advice greatly appreciated!
     
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    Sanit Member

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    Agility provides benefits to str users? Thought they ended that long ago
     
  3. ohti

    ohti Member Moderator 20s Coordinator <TF>

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    if you're referring to mail pieces using scaled mail boe pieces are the only way to get highest stam / vers / armour on a plate user (specifically useful for tanks)

    like the fortified leggings with ironscale and the fortified gloves with glove reinforcements

    a full tank like this has been a project i've been wanting to do for a long time but never got around to doing, its funny to see that you basically had the exact same idea, this is like really really close to the ideal set I made up for myself to follow a while back

    that being said this toon gets my seal of approval its dope

    the only thing I would suggest (which is far too late now) would be to make it a paladin so you can solo more things, warriors just simply can't take on as much on their own as pally can
     
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    jackblood

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    Here's the Paladin I'm working on too!

    I'm having a hard time theorycrafting because the playstyle is so different. On my Warrior I'm able to chain-pull & kite without getting hit because of the Thunderclap slow, giving me crazy dungeon control. Coupled with a spammable Devastate (which allows me to fish for Victory Rush reset-kills), I have insane survivability without sacrificing my DPS/Blocking.

    Unfortunately I can't emulate that on the Paladin. Flash of Light is hardly spammable while getting hit by ten mobs. Not having a 100% blocking mechanic (like Shield Block!) means Thorium Shield Spike doesn't even make it to 1% of my Paladin's total DPS. Disappointing.

    I'm at a loss as to which stats to prioritize. Should I be stacking Haste because of the enhanced CD reduction on all Paladin abilities? Without a talent like Into The Fray it seems foolish to copy my Warrior build (0% Haste = 15s CD on Avenger's Shield :()

    Paladin feels more like a passive tank—like a Guardian Druid. The Blessed Hammers fly around doing their thing; Consecration ticks on its own. I keep standing there waiting for Judgement to come off CD or a chance to exploit massive Shield of Righteousness AoE slams. Should I be spamming heals between spells instead? There's no blocking or weapon-swinging while casting, right?

    Mobs just kinda die on their own. Does that mean I should run with two Swift Hands of Justice for the extra passive heals? That would mean prioritizing Stamina so I can get at least 100-200 HP everytime a mob dies, but it would mean sacrificing other stats...

    I still have to find ways to exploit the fact that with two Crusader procs, Shield of Righteousness gives me enough armor for 70% damage reduction for 4.5-10s. I've been using it the same way I use Shield Block, but I'm not sure that's right.

    Sorry for the huge essay but any advice would be greatly appreciated!
     
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    I don't know diddly-squat about the "current Warrior builds", or "gearing options for VETs" (or "gearing options for current Warrior VET builds")... but this gets my approval for no other reason than your refusal to transmog-over even a single piece of the glorious "clown-fiesta" you've got going-on! :D
     
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    Goohd born good

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    tence Grandfathered

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    Later tonight I'll post my tank set I was using to solo gnomergan and suggest some changes since I have a lot of gf'd stuff that gives me a huge advantage.

    I think the benefit prot pally has over prot warrior is survivability and longevity of fights. Solo without the ability to really kite they can't pull as many mobs, but especially vs bosses they can easily down things as long as the damage isn't higher than your mana regen.

    I've had some good success with ele force over crusader since it can proc quite often from consecration and the aoe hammer thingy. Also shield block can hit multiple targets which is another advantage! If you're doing dungeons/group stuff ele force helps keep/establish aggro.

    Tldr: Consecration is silly especially when you can use double ele force.
     
  8. Chops

    Chops Soccer Dad Moderator

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    I think the primary appeal of crusader over ele force for warriors is prot gives you armor based on your str. Crusader procs are a HUGE dmg reduction proc.

    Though I think there's probably something to the idea of weapon swapping crusader/ele force back and forth.
     
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    ;) Thanks! I love the clown-fiesta look. I worked damn hard for this gear and I'm proud of it :cool:
     
  10. icehawk

    icehawk The Beast Within

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    U have an interesting build. U’ve stacked Stam and Vers.
    I’ve played around a bit with Prot and seeing I mainly try and solo dungeons, I’ve opted for the Str route to try and burn bosses down faster. That’s why I also go the Slam talent.
    The longer the fight goes on, the worse it is for Prot as we don’t have enough self heals.
    Ur setup would burn through dungeon mobs, but not sure how well it stacks up against some of the tougher bosses.
    If ur mainly into group dungeons, then ur setup is the way to go.
    Nicely set up btw. I’ve been thinking of picking up engineering on mine for some extra support on solo boss fights.
    Might be time to through down the gauntlet and start doing some boss battles :p
     
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    After testing it out a bit more for solo content crusader is better for outright dps, but ele force is better for group stuff to help hold aggro on multiple mobs. Crusader swapping is still silly, so is double ele force.

    You also get an armor bonus with prot when you use shield of righteous but its not as impact given the low cooldown/ability to self heal.

    For prot pally you can get away with gearing more dps since you are tankier with the self heals (which benefit str as well). In my experience with gearing prot pally stack str, versatility, and obviously stam.

    My current set for prot pally is as follows
    head: ilvl 31 felforged helmet (id go blackfathom depths head instead)
    neck: eternal talisman of evasion w/ saytr
    shoulders: Ilvl 31 felforged shoulders (your horde krom ones are actually BIS im just lazy and dont want to faction)
    cape: Sporid cape w/ 1 vers 2% run speed
    chest: bg crate chest of the adaptable w/ +3 stats (use any bg chest with vers or try for that quest one with vers. basically you want versatility)
    bracers: Ilvl31 felforged bracers w/ +3 str (anything with +3 versatility is fine, either bg crate or the rfc ones)
    gloves: gloves of the greymane wall w/ +4 str
    belt: dungeon belt of the quickblade (5 vers 3 crit)
    legs: bg crate legs of the adaptable are bis but im just using boa legs with some str enchant because im lazy
    boots: bg crate boots of the adaptable w/ minor speed (bg crate boots with +5 vers w/e else work too)
    rings: 2x demon bands w/ vers enchant
    trinket #1: coren's cold chromium coaster
    trinket #2: defending champion
    wep: darkwater talwar/epic petrified shinbone work w/ sader/ele force
    sheild: I use replica lion's heart w/ ele force but commander's crest w/ vitality works too

    I believe it has some optimizing but its a start. I was able to solo deadmines with this build in about 31 mins.
     
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  12. Crystalpall

    Crystalpall the F2P PvEr

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    My experiences are very different, but that might be due to 1. I'm not playing vet, 2. I play a paladin, not a warrior

    but when I was running dungeons for my weekly rep I used to queue as tank but go in retri, just because how much faster and more efficient it was than prot. I'd assume Fury would be better then?
     
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    Awesome help guys, thanks so much. Are there any farmable (upgradable?) BoEs that would be upgrades for my Prot Paladin (or Prot Warrior, for that matter)?
     
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  14. icehawk

    icehawk The Beast Within

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    Fury is definitely better for soloing bosses. U get a lot of heals from Bloodthirst and Crusader plus u burn the bosses down real fast.
    But real men use Prot and tough it out the old board and sword style :p
    I get lazy and switch to Fury when soloing, but I also like the challenge of soloing bosses in Prot. My aim, to be able to conquer all bosses I have access to, including that nasty one Hogger and also the Gnomer raid bosses......well they are Raid quality for us 20’s as Prot ;)
     
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    ...as do imaginary women. :p

    As a ProtPally I don't have any problem soloing Hogger... but goddamn is soloing Gnomeregan ever a tedious crawl. I've never had the time for more than a boss or two before "real-life" invariably intervenes. :oops:
     
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  16. Eleannor

    Eleannor The Twink Paladin

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    Very nice and well-thought! I'd to see if it also translates into a good WSG Flag Carrier.
     
  17. Donor

    Donor XPOff-topic Bro

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    pretty sure every twink is proud of their gear
    that being said
    twinks who dont mog r...

    props tho
    u gon fc in the gulch?
     
  18. Crystalpall

    Crystalpall the F2P PvEr

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    The trick is to boost yourself with a p2p do trash as ret :p
     

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