Pugging the Gulch with the F2P Rog
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Jibbed
Legend
Obviously I need trinks, everyone gets those last. As for gloves, foreman aren't worth it if your good at melee, and id rather have the hit and agi of pve dags over a little bit of crit, especially without eypatch. I cannot possibly more highly reccommend you rethink that statement.
edit: dont forget poison dps, crip procs, that are more important than slow mh, or wicked stats. heartseekers are best poison applicants in game, with more agi, hit rating.
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OP
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iminibiv
Banned
Jibbed - it is not possible to remain behind 100% of targets 100% of the time. it is not because of the heartseeker's stats, but because of the loss in ambush and hemo damage, that i recommend replacing your MH weapon.
Saptastic - i will assume no sarcasm and thank you.
Saptastic - i will assume no sarcasm and thank you.
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Rollop
Legend
This is great for new players. I think for the most part, every class can use these simple guide lines while inside wsg, and to a lesser extent ab. Took me a minute to figure out what the hell a rog was. I thought maybe you were referring to yourself in third person with some odd pet name, like people who use "tink" lol.
OP
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iminibiv
Banned
Jibbed - i'm sorry, i typed 'weapons' when i should've typed 'MH weapon'. heartseeker is certainly a fine stat stick, and an acceptable non-assassination OH. however, faster weapons have lower poison proc rates. even if poisons were changed to PPM, faster weapons would still be no more useful in applying poisons.
Jibbed
Legend
Ok, so, a poison application is not a crusader proc. does that make sense? Its not affected by weapon speed that way, only by a percentage of procs per second. That makes faster weapons, mh or oh, in this case 2x pve dags, which gain the hemo/ ambush dag bonus, even if being slightly faster, are in fact better. CAN YOU FOLLOW THAT. Instant poison buff, and crip poison, the game changer, or a slightly higher ambush? O but I bet you roll Nightstalker amirirte? Funny stuff, and Im all for restealths but you have to be more versatile than your ambush evisc. The OP was adressing how great an effect a rogue can have on a game, dagger rogue just feels best to me, and because I rock belf mask to thug down fools, i like the extra hit on heartseeker mh/oh. call me crazy @_@
Lil
SV huntard
OP like I said I do really like your in depth and I was actually thinking about adding some of the details pertaining to hunts also into my guide and using how far you went with it. I've been wanting to for awhile but didn't really know how to word it or type it up.
If I do use your guide as a jumping point though I will be willing to try and type your first post into 4-5 posts that I can PM you or post on here and you can see if you like it then you can just copy + paste them to your first posts that could be added by yde. This will be moved to the guide section asap I just feel that most people may not read it because it's one post length.. People are pretty lazy on here and don't like reading a book, they like reading several short stories lol.
It really is a nice guide and the best thing about it is that it will help the people who have no clue how to play as well as some people who think they know it all about rogues.
If I do use your guide as a jumping point though I will be willing to try and type your first post into 4-5 posts that I can PM you or post on here and you can see if you like it then you can just copy + paste them to your first posts that could be added by yde. This will be moved to the guide section asap I just feel that most people may not read it because it's one post length.. People are pretty lazy on here and don't like reading a book, they like reading several short stories lol.
It really is a nice guide and the best thing about it is that it will help the people who have no clue how to play as well as some people who think they know it all about rogues.
Kearbear
Legend
OP
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iminibiv
Banned
Snowjobs - are you subbed? tea + meld
Lillhunter - that seems an exceptional amount of work for such a marginal gain, but i certainly can't stop you if that's what you'd like to do.
Jibbed - i have been relying on outdated information. had i simply looked at the tooltip sometime duing this expansion, i would've seen that you are right. i cannot say i am particularly happy with this flat 50% application rate. as is, as sub or combat, heartseekers may be superior vs druids and paladins before 4 stacks. i will have to do some testing. as for assassination, it would seem heartseekers are also superior, possibly in any situation, but that will again require some testing.
Lillhunter - that seems an exceptional amount of work for such a marginal gain, but i certainly can't stop you if that's what you'd like to do.
Jibbed - i have been relying on outdated information. had i simply looked at the tooltip sometime duing this expansion, i would've seen that you are right. i cannot say i am particularly happy with this flat 50% application rate. as is, as sub or combat, heartseekers may be superior vs druids and paladins before 4 stacks. i will have to do some testing. as for assassination, it would seem heartseekers are also superior, possibly in any situation, but that will again require some testing.
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Yde
Worg
Amazing guide!
I do think some capitalization would make it a lot more pleasing to read!
Enjoy the attention to detail concerning battlegrounds, would love for everyone of every class to read this before pugging. Each class should have a ranged intant mouseover macro to interrupt assaults.
I liked the rog, to make it more amusing I read the entire guide as the adventures of an F2P called Roger.
Maybe you'd like to change the title to something like Comprehensive Rogue Guide to WSG and AB PUGs? Tell me if you want a name change.
I'll respect your wishes to leave this in the general F2P section for more visibility for random inexperienced rogues passing through, but this is too good a guide to not have in the Guides section, so I'll just copy your OP into a new thread. Congratulations on Guide Author usergroup!
Lil Concerning the copying of posts I discovered a disadvantage: since the post time is exactly the same, posts keep switching position. That's a bit annoying. ._.
I do think some capitalization would make it a lot more pleasing to read!
Enjoy the attention to detail concerning battlegrounds, would love for everyone of every class to read this before pugging. Each class should have a ranged intant mouseover macro to interrupt assaults.
I liked the rog, to make it more amusing I read the entire guide as the adventures of an F2P called Roger.
Maybe you'd like to change the title to something like Comprehensive Rogue Guide to WSG and AB PUGs? Tell me if you want a name change.
I'll respect your wishes to leave this in the general F2P section for more visibility for random inexperienced rogues passing through, but this is too good a guide to not have in the Guides section, so I'll just copy your OP into a new thread.
Congratulations on Guide Author usergroup!Lil Concerning the copying of posts I discovered a disadvantage: since the post time is exactly the same, posts keep switching position. That's a bit annoying. ._.
OP
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iminibiv
Banned
Kearbear - i personally find less capitalization more sightly.
Yde - thank you, but the guide is no longer complete - changes will be necessary to reflect the actual functionality of poisons. i do prefer the title as is, but i will consider alternatives if it is an issue. i do not mind if you wish to duplicate this; i thought you would move it, which i also do not mind, but i only asked that you wait until it is on the second page before doing so.
Snowjobs - i'm dumb.
Yde - thank you, but the guide is no longer complete - changes will be necessary to reflect the actual functionality of poisons. i do prefer the title as is, but i will consider alternatives if it is an issue. i do not mind if you wish to duplicate this; i thought you would move it, which i also do not mind, but i only asked that you wait until it is on the second page before doing so.
Snowjobs - i'm dumb.
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Kearbear
Legend
Ok that's fine for you, but you want other people to read this, right?
It's not really about sightliness, it's about readability. Not capitalizing reads alright when it's in a short post or a text, but it's an absolute headache to read in large quantities. Now this might not bother everyone, but I had to slow down and reread things to get any information out of this guide. Not everyone who finds it distracting will be willing to do that. You don't want to deter your audience; we all want to see better play in bgs
This is probably just the English teacher in me talking, so of course you're free to ignore it. It is however something to consider if you want to reach as many people as possible. People get turned off to a long read by things like this
Yde
Worg
Since I see it getting bumped frequently for a while, I did copy, so goal-oriented people specifically looking under guides will find it.
You can also find it easily if you look for your created threads on your profile. If you edit this one and complete it further, you could just copy / paste your edit into the guide thread.
Also I agree strongly with Kearbear below, there are plenty of people missing capitals are very irritating to in texts. I don't mind lowercase in chat messages, but I do find it quite detracting in any other setting. It's your choice of course.
Ok that's fine for you, but you want other people to read this, right?
It's not really about sightliness, it's about readability. Not capitalizing reads alright when it's in a short post or a text, but it's an absolute headache to read in large quantities. Now this might not bother everyone, but I had to slow down and reread things to get any information out of this guide. Not everyone who finds it distracting will be willing to do that. You don't want to deter your audience; we all want to see better play in bgs
This is probably just the English teacher in me talking, so of course you're free to ignore it. It is however something to consider if you want to reach as many people as possible. People get turned off to a long read by things like this
Vandiir
Legend
Perhaps for offhand, but I'm skeptical that having MH hit .1 second sooner, or 1/10 of a second, or 1/10th a global cool down (gcd), given 1 gcd=1.0 seconds, is worth the loss that may be seen in other stats, including ambush and hemo damage. That's assuming the rogue in question is not using slice-and-dice, which is much more helpful in allowing one proc poisons more often:
With slice-and-dice:
1.8 sec swing time reduces to a 1.29 sec swing time,
and I'm willing to guess that a
1.7 sec swing time reduces to a 1.22 (or 1.21, depending on rounding) sec swing time (not counting possible haste from gears).
Assuming one uses slice-and-dice, the swing time difference between them is even less: to a difference of about .07 (or .08) second swing-time.
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youakim
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Don't rogues have a 1 second gcd?