EU+US Outlaw 70 bis build

[Dreams]

I think Outlaw (old "combat") is studied for PvE where fight r not fast and u need lot of energy regen.

Subtley focus on burst. "All in" or die.

Assa a good mixed between sustained dps (combat) and burst (sub).

Maybe I am wrong but it s my opinion.
To have the best from the spec u have to use them in the right way.
Not necessary one is better than other.
If u wanna "non- stop fighting" go Outlaw.
If u feel like a "sniper" go sub.

For the rest: as Fx shows.... math is not an opinion.

Good n8!

Outlaw is just as good as the two other specs in PVP right now.
You have the strengths of the specs mixed up a little bit. True outlaw has slightly more consistent damage than subtlety, but the real consistent damage spec is assassination.
Although all 3 of the specs excel at quickly killing priority targets (which is also the most important role they have in PVP).

If you really want to go for "non-stop fighting" it's better to just play another class.

 

[Cloudieqt]

I d like to explain better my idea. But my english dont support me.
Anyway... have tryied Outlaw in pvp. Dont like cuz Roll the bone is a good buff but remain a "random" buff.
Due to.that I think outlaw do the best on long fight. ("Non stop fighting").

 

[Dreams]

I d like to explain better my idea. But my english dont support me.
Anyway... have tryied Outlaw in pvp. Dont like cuz Roll the bone is a good buff but remain a "random" buff.
Due to.that I think outlaw do the best on long fight. ("Non stop fighting").

I get ya. Don't worry about your english
Roll the bones is very rng, true, but you don't need perfect roll the bones buffs to do good burst. Assassination is better suited for the long fights you are talking about.

But level 70 pvp is very fast paced and doesn't really support that playstyle well. So assassination ends up playing just like the other specs, landing kills with bursts and crowd control.

 

[Blackberryy]

all i am saying, is that outlaw is about the most consistant damage there is, and that all of what i use has no icd, besides glaives which i just use for fun since i am already strong. But with no icd, most everything i have that procs is up constantly during every fight

 

[Legitheals]

Neither does any other rogue spec. But just like every other rogue spec outlaws main strength and main goal is to kill priority targets quickly.

But your Bloodlust broach means you can only do your burst every 2 minutes, hence the comment. Dragonspine trophy or Vestige can let you burst on every target you get onto. Every minute~ for Dragonspine and more often for Vestige.

Overall it sounds like you're both trying to build for random midfights in battlegrounds but won't just outright say it, for some reason. I don't think that's a bad idea or anything by the way. I just think it's worse for winning battlegrounds.

Yeah I thought it was pretty obvious, that's what the majority of 70 twinks are doing - so it makes sense to make a build where this is optimised. So you're saying that focusing 100% on objectives nets a higher winrate than killing people the whole game and focusing objectives at the same time or when you need to? If you're obsessed with winrate alone, for normal BGs (again, we don't have rated) you could just premade since 3-5 man premades have 90%+ winrate if you're not shit. I play PvP to kill players.

Again people trying to say Glaives are good hm?

Here's the math for you:
Glaive proc has a 45s ICD and 10 second duration.
On average if you're just hitting a dummy, it'll proc every 50 seconds or so.

But let's assume it has a 100% proc chance. Let's make it truly extreme best-case scenario for glaive apologists.

That means 10 seconds every 45 seconds. That's a 22% uptime on a 180 haste buff.
180 * 0.22 = 40 haste average.

compared to 5 sockets + socket bonusses, which gives you 25 agi and 20 haste (or 25 crit but we're looking for haste here right )on top of 5 attack power from socket bonus

5 sockets are clearly just better for overall damage.

When you put it like that I can't really disagree with you. Definitely higher DPS overall. Would probably still use Glaives if I had them for style points since it's not rated, but in a rated setting I would follow that advice. Makes sense. Vestige/Dragonspine is still superior to bloodlust broach though. I would say even that Ramstein's Lightning Bolts would be better for single target assassinations than broach.

 

[Dreams]

"Overall it sounds like you're both trying to build for random midfights in battlegrounds"
Yeah I thought it was pretty obvious, that's what the majority of 70 twinks are doing

I wish you would've admitted that earlier. I even said this in an earlier post:

Yep the build I posted is better for serious arena. And it's also better for winning battlegrounds, since winning battlegrounds as a rogue depends entirely on bursting priority targets in short windows (basically same win condition as arena).
It's probably not the best build for endlessly midfighting in bgs though.

So you're saying that focusing 100% on objectives nets a higher winrate than killing people the whole game and focusing objectives at the same time or when you need to?

I'm saying your goal as a rogue in a battleground, if you are trying to win, is to kill priority targets as fast as possible, often in windows when you have CC. That could include winning a big teamfight by taking out an enemy twink or a healer asap. Or killing an enemy flag/orb carrier. That being said it's important (if you are trying to win) to recognize which teamfights are even worth winning. Basically: if your team isn't fighting directly for an objective or fighting to keep the enemy team contained when you are ahead, it's probably not worth spending your time helping them in that fight.

Note that if the enemy team doesn't have an equal or greater amount of twinks you can obviously do whatever and still win. But I know a lot of twinks do enjoy those kinds of games and also enjoy endlessly midfighting in bgs. And like I said, if you enjoy doing that and you want to build your character for it, I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[Dreams]

@Blackberryy & @Legitheals
I've been playing a lot of BGs this week against 5 man twink premades (as subtlety). On maps like Gilneas and AB I'm forced to fight a lot longer and more often than usual - meaning I won't get as much out of my bloodlust brooch.
For these maps I'm thinking about running https://www.wowhead.com/item=35702/figurine-shadowsong-panther, https://www.wowhead.com/item=37064/vestige-of-haldor&bonus=4141 or https://www.wowhead.com/item=47214/banner-of-victory&bonus=4136.
What do you guys think?

 

[Blackberryy]

@Blackberryy & @Legitheals
I've been playing a lot of BGs this week against 5 man twink premades (as subtlety). On maps like Gilneas and AB I'm forced to fight a lot longer and more often than usual - meaning I won't get as much out of my bloodlust brooch.
For these maps I'm thinking about running https://www.wowhead.com/item=35702/figurine-shadowsong-panther, https://www.wowhead.com/item=37064/vestige-of-haldor&bonus=4141 or https://www.wowhead.com/item=47214/banner-of-victory&bonus=4136.
What do you guys think?

The cd on shadow song makes it super nice, and vestige has a good proc chance, but honestly you won’t get the most out of vestige without outlaw or some other high uptime melee class. I personally didn’t like banners uptime, but most every other rogue uses it. So I’d suggest seeing how it performed.

 

[Zoke]

@Blackberryy & @Legitheals
I've been playing a lot of BGs this week against 5 man twink premades (as subtlety). On maps like Gilneas and AB I'm forced to fight a lot longer and more often than usual - meaning I won't get as much out of my bloodlust brooch.
For these maps I'm thinking about running https://www.wowhead.com/item=35702/figurine-shadowsong-panther, https://www.wowhead.com/item=37064/vestige-of-haldor&bonus=4141 or https://www.wowhead.com/item=47214/banner-of-victory&bonus=4136.
What do you guys think?

banner only has ~21% uptime on a patchwerk fight over 5 minutes. if anything id say go vestige.