Optimal haste breakpoint?

glancealot

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The question is, in general, what is the optimal haste breakpoint for 1.5/2.0/2.5 second spells?

what is your target haste % in terms of reducing global cooldown (1.5 sec with no haste that can be reduced up to 0.75) and ability cooldowns (only certain abilities have their cooldowns reduced by haste, for example, https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20473/holy-shock but not https://www.wowhead.com/spell=633/lay-on-hands )

background information: what made me wonder about the optimal haste %

Light's Grace (PvP Talent) damage reduction granted to the target of your Holy Light is now 15% for 5 seconds and no longer stacks (was 5% damage reduction for 8 seconds, stacking 3 times) and now increases Flash of Light healing by 25% (was increases Holy Light healing by 50%).
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this is what almost every hpal will be running in 9.1, basically you get 178 vers worth of damage reduction after one holy light, that is just unbelievable.

however, https://www.wowhead.com/spell=82326/holy-light also takes 2.5 seconds to cast, that is an eternity in PVP (yes you will pre-heal with holy light now)
 
glancealot said:
The question is, in general, what is the optimal haste breakpoint for 1.5/2.0/2.5 second spells?

what is your target haste % in terms of reducing global cooldown (1.5 sec with no haste that can be reduced up to 0.75) and ability cooldowns (only certain abilities have their cooldowns reduced by haste, for example, https://www.wowhead.com/spell=20473/holy-shock but not https://www.wowhead.com/spell=633/lay-on-hands )

background information: what made me wonder about the optimal haste %



this is what almost every hpal will be running in 9.1, basically you get 178 vers worth of damage reduction after one holy light, that is just unbelievable.

however, https://www.wowhead.com/spell=82326/holy-light also takes 2.5 seconds to cast, that is an eternity in PVP (yes you will pre-heal with holy light now)
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There is no haste breakpoint, blizz frames just round it. Just use as much as you feel comfortable. This isn't worthy of a thread dude.
 
tence said:
There is no haste breakpoint, blizz frames just round it. Just use as much as you feel comfortable. This isn't worthy of a thread dude.
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i am sure people have their own rule of thumb with respect to haste %, just trying to get people to provide constructive opinions and input.
 
inane thread "What is the optimal" followed by "Oh I just want random thoughts and opinions."

Thought you were a numbers guy? you know the stats on items, you know the conversions for Hpally (or can figure them) so you can figure your gear setup. You can literally do this better and more specifically than anyone here will bother to respond with. Even after fielding some initial ideas, if you are anything like most of the more serious players here, you will do all of this anyway when you are looking at your specific gear choices.

There is very little point to asking a forum of people about opinions when you have, in the past, almost summarily dismissed every opinion that ran contrary to yours, even when months later you decided the entire rest of this forum was right (lookin at you 2h str sword).
 
Lateraldrop said:
inane thread "What is the optimal" followed by "Oh I just want random thoughts and opinions."

Thought you were a numbers guy? you know the stats on items, you know the conversions for Hpally (or can figure them) so you can figure your gear setup. You can literally do this better and more specifically than anyone here will bother to respond with. Even after fielding some initial ideas, if you are anything like most of the more serious players here, you will do all of this anyway when you are looking at your specific gear choices.

There is very little point to asking a forum of people about opinions when you have, in the past, almost summarily dismissed every opinion that ran contrary to yours, even when months later you decided the entire rest of this forum was right (lookin at you 2h str sword).
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really just looking for good twinks to come in and say things along the lines of "yup i try to keep at least x haste points so that the cast time of my y spell is reduced to z seconds"

you managed to type down a lot of things without providing any constructive input bro.

also i have been doing some number crunching myself, so i am just looking for ideas, not looking for someone to walk me through this.

this bracket is far from being solved at this point, i replaced two pieces of gears within the past week.
 
I see no issue with this thread?

I’m interested in this discussion,
Isn’t that the whole point of this website to have discussions about this kind of stuff
 
glancealot said:
really just looking for good twinks to come in and say things along the lines of "yup i try to keep at least x haste points so that the cast time of my y spell is reduced to z seconds"

you managed to type down a lot of things without providing any constructive input bro.

also i have been doing some number crunching myself, so i am just looking for ideas, not looking for someone to walk me through this.

this bracket is far from being solved at this point, i replaced two pieces of gears within the past week.
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I would just message people who you think are good. I don't know who's opinion you value, the list seems S H O R T. The issue is this... does everybody wear the holiday necklace... yeah... lots of haste... do bad twinks wear it that don't cc anybody and just "shoot guns"... yeah. Some people are so bad they just look at numbers... "duh this item has MOAR stats so its better than anything else!".

The end result is this as of right now... Main stat scales up... other stats scale down. If you have all gear multi gem slot gear... its not really going to matter what else you put on as you are not really increasing the stats that much with the item slots that are left AFTER BC gem gear.

If you want to MIN MAX... the i28s with +25 secondary are something you could just look at... but again... why mess with that if you are just making some hybrid build that is only worried about 1 or 2% points in any direction... IT DOES NOT MATTER. The other issue here is that you are already at the end game of making your special build... are you really going to pay me 3-4 million for a Impatient Ring / Socket / Speed... I doubt it.

I would also factor in 9.1... I mean the 15% nerd damage coming to the diaper gang is really gonna start to just force more talasite/versatility retard builds... you are already headed in the right direction there anyway.
 
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my preliminary conclusion is that i want at least 25% haste inside BGs.

but i am subbed, so i do not know how that translates into points, maybe someone can queue up on a paladin and post here?

please do feel free to post the haste conversion rate for other classes as well!
 
glancealot said:
you managed to type down a lot of things without providing any constructive input bro.
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Do the math is constructive input, its just not hand holding. Cant blame me for giving you advice you don't like. You will find a cast speed you are comfortable with, then you will work on a stat weight to fit your build, then you will weigh each gear to see what combination gets you there.
also i have been doing some number crunching myself, so i am just looking for ideas, not looking for someone to walk me through this.
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Then this thread is as useless to you as i claimed.
this bracket is far from being solved at this point, i replaced two pieces of gears within the past week.
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Then make a thread about the new gear pieces that you found, were you found them, @ an armory that you first saw it on. That would be actually useful. I never claimed that this bracket was solved, but there are actual equations for the shit your asking about We know what haste does and how much it does. Those are all figured.

Also, that you are asking goofy ass questions is less of the issue than the fact that: 1) I know you already know how to do this shit. 2) When someone does give you advice from an experienced perspective you have shown a tendency to just ignore it anyway. You are going to do the math, then you WILL do whatever you think is right as the math says; it's literally what you do every time.
 
Chops said:
If a knowledgeable and experienced hpal had written a guide telling you where he liked his haste numbers at, you could have saved yourself all this this time and effort.

Real shame, that.
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In the tence guide all it says is that tence, likes it at 28%

I didn’t see any numbers or data explaining why or what that means or anything like that or what the cast time for spells are at 28,

not that there anything wrong with not giving that information
 
Chops said:
a guide telling you where he liked his haste numbers at
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Soda4Matt said:
In the tence guide all it says is that tence, likes it at 28%
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yea, thats what i said it said. Though, if you continue to read the thread, he talks about his FOL being 1.2 seconds and how he sees a considerable difference between that and even 1.4 seconds.

As you so rightly pointed out, this is a forum. With discussions. And there's a lot of good information in the discussions that typically follow initial posts... especially in guides.
 
Lateraldrop said:
I know you already know how to do this shit.
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thanks for the vote of confidence.

anyways, back to topic with some analysis.

thanks to a friend that went into BGs to test for me: 51 rating gives 10.42% haste for hpals inside BG.

that is, to get 25% haste, one would need 122 haste rating.

only then your holy light's cast time can be reduced to 2 seconds (2.5/125%=2).

looks like i am getting haste enchant on my bracers, not the current stamina enchant, because i already have a hard time reaching 122 (stamina is covered by talasite gems, but haste is hard to come by)
 
Chops said:
yea, thats what i said it said. Though, if you continue to read the thread, he talks about his FOL being 1.2 seconds and how he sees a considerable difference between that and even 1.4 seconds.

ok I did not see that part

As you so rightly pointed out, this is a forum. With discussions. And there's a lot of good information in the discussions that typically follow initial posts... especially in guides.
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Guides are good yes, but it’s so bloated with information on non related topics, say if I wanted to learn more about haste and the last 10 pages are on enchants or something, it’s a lot to sift through.

I have no answers I’m just saying, I know there’s no good way to do it. But “focused”posts like this one could be in haste specifically can’t be too bad?
 
glancealot said:
thanks for the vote of confidence.

anyways, back to topic with some analysis.

thanks to a friend that went into BGs to test for me: 51 rating gives 10.42% haste for hpals inside BG.

that is, to get 25% haste, one would need 122 haste rating.

only then your holy light's cast time can be reduced to 2 seconds (2.5/125%=2).

looks like i am getting haste enchant on my bracers, not the current stamina enchant, because i already have a hard time reaching 122 (stamina is covered by talasite gems, but haste is hard to come by)
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Dude... you are trying to make some hybrid of Tence's build and whatever it is you have going on with that "safety helmet"?... that is not the way to do it.

The more you step away from the goofy run for your life build and into effective healing you are gonna need the circle of flame anyway.

Don't downgrade your bracers with some dog shit enchant... upgrade your rings and that garbage "quickblade gear"... you are honestly just swapping a shower-drop-your-soap for a D block-toss-your-salad... neither should be what you want.
 
glancealot said:
thanks for the vote of confidence.
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I don't think you are incompetent, just think you are annoying.
anyways, back to topic with some analysis.

thanks to a friend that went into BGs to test for me: 51 rating gives 10.42% haste for hpals inside BG.

that is, to get 25% haste, one would need 122 haste rating.

only then your holy light's cast time can be reduced to 2 seconds (2.5/125%=2).

looks like i am getting haste enchant on my bracers, not the current stamina enchant, because i already have a hard time reaching 122 (stamina is covered by talasite gems, but haste is hard to come by)
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^look at you taking my advice. I was the most helpful here.
 
Lateraldrop said:
I don't think you are incompetent, just think you are annoying.


^look at you taking my advice. I was the most helpful here.
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would be nice if more people joined the actual discussion (purpose of this thread is to incite discussion) with numbers instead of saying meaningless things like

"i am glad my witty and sarcastic remarks helped you in the right direction here"

so, no, you weren't helpful.
 
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