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R+L=J

That is all.

I'm going to jizz when TWOW comes out...in 2018.../wrist
 
Here are the main differences between Stannis and Dany:


  • Stannis is the legal heir to the Iron Throne. Dany is merely a pretender from a fallen dyansty seeking to reestablish that house's dominance over Westeros.
  • Stannis has already fought in one war of succession (and in a war to put down a rebellion), so he knows what these wars do to the realm. He only decided to enter the war on his brother's side after a difficult decision comparing what loyalty to one's monarch means, versus loyalty to one's family.
  • Stannis is a man for whom law and order are the all-consuming concerns of the crown. When he asserts royal prerogative or royal privilege, it is usually in the service of upholding the law and safety of the realm. He is not a man who sought the crown for his own aggrandizement, rather he accepts that as the legal heir to Robert, it is his duty to rule. This is a much more restrained view than the ones taken by other Iron Throne claimants.
In contrast, Dany has been raised with the view that rulership of a land she has never seen is her inborn right. For her, justice is whatever flows from the direction her moral compass is pointing at any given time, rather than from a well-established set of principles laid down in law. While such a view can occasionally be beneficial, in the long term, it's only going to serve to destabilize whatever polity Dany rules. It makes it impossible for her people to know what they may do and what the penalties for crimes are. This approach also makes it impossible to delegate any of the tasks associated with carrying out justice since each petition and each punishment must be handed down by Dany herself.
 
  • Stannis is the legal heir to the Iron Throne. Dany is merely a pretender from a fallen dynasty seeking to reestablish that house's dominance over Westeros.

I see this more as a similarity than difference. Targaryen supporters probably view Stannis as false ruler (albeit quietly to themselves) who is trying to take the throne from the lannisters/his nephew baratheons. Targaryens had ruled the 7 kingdoms for 300 years so why does stannis have a better claim if his family stole the crown ?- Point is weather or not stannis is the legal air is entirely subjective and doesn't really matter. What it really comes down to is who has the power to take/stay on the throne.

In contrast, Dany has been raised with the view that rulership of a land she has never seen is her inborn right. For her, justice is whatever flows from the direction her moral compass is pointing at any given time, rather than from a well-established set of principles laid down in law. While such a view can occasionally be beneficial, in the long term, it's only going to serve to destabilize whatever polity Dany rules. It makes it impossible for her people to know what they may do and what the penalties for crimes are. This approach also makes it impossible to delegate any of the tasks associated with carrying out justice since each petition and each punishment must be handed down by Dany herself.

This doesn't make sense to me, obviously when a new leader comes into power new rules are made/old ones are done away with. The same would go for stannis as well as dany with this either of them may change a few things, but the majority of law stays how it is. It's not like She will lead the 7 kingdoms and all the laws written suddenly go away. She would have a hand and small council just like any other....at least that's what I'm assuming.

Obv Dany is younger and hasn't had as much time too develop a moral compass as stannis but she has been through trial after trail and has much experience even tho she is so young, her moral compass is probably highly developed. Shes been taught that it is her right but that she must fight for it, shes been honed for leadership since the end of GoT.
 
Conq said:
  • Stannis is the legal heir to the Iron Throne. Dany is merely a pretender from a fallen dynasty seeking to reestablish that house's dominance over Westeros.

I see this more as a similarity than difference. Targaryen supporters probably view Stannis as false ruler (albeit quietly to themselves) who is trying to take the throne from the lannisters/his nephew baratheons. Targaryens had ruled the 7 kingdoms for 300 years so why does stannis have a better claim if his family stole the crown ?- Point is weather or not stannis is the legal air is entirely subjective and doesn't really matter. What it really comes down to is who has the power to take/stay on the throne.

In contrast, Dany has been raised with the view that rulership of a land she has never seen is her inborn right. For her, justice is whatever flows from the direction her moral compass is pointing at any given time, rather than from a well-established set of principles laid down in law. While such a view can occasionally be beneficial, in the long term, it's only going to serve to destabilize whatever polity Dany rules. It makes it impossible for her people to know what they may do and what the penalties for crimes are. This approach also makes it impossible to delegate any of the tasks associated with carrying out justice since each petition and each punishment must be handed down by Dany herself.

This doesn't make sense to me, obviously when a new leader comes into power new rules are made/old ones are done away with. The same would go for stannis as well as dany with this either of them may change a few things, but the majority of law stays how it is. It's not like She will lead the 7 kingdoms and all the laws written suddenly go away. She would have a hand and small council just like any other....at least that's what I'm assuming.

Obv Dany is younger and hasn't had as much time too develop a moral compass as stannis but she has been through trial after trail and has much experience even tho she is so young, her moral compass is probably highly developed. Shes been taught that it is her right but that she must fight for it, shes been honed for leadership since the end of GoT.
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No, Stannis is the legal heir. The Targaryens took Westeros by means of conquest. Robbert ended that with his rebellion destroying the Targaryen line. Doesn't matter if they ruled for a 1000 years, there is no claim that is stronger that Stannis's. Keep in mind it's not even their land, they just invaded it and made everyone bend the knee like they're some superior race placing themselves on pedestals because they have dragons.

Dany is a horrible choice for the Iron Throne. What has she done? Freed slaves to later starve them to death. Invading Meereen, ignoring her advisers to go to Westoros(Her supposed home country) and making an abundance of horrible ruling decisions resulting in the other free cities revolting. Completely spitting on Dorne's request to unite her in marriage. Even when Barristen Selmy brings up that Eddard Stark objected in her getting executed, she completely ignores him and spits on him as well, just because he was in the rebellion. She can't even realize why people wanted her father dead. She is truly the Mad Queen.


Sure Stannis has a vulgar attitude, but he's only person who's saved the realm. He realized with help of Davos that he needed to save the realm before taking the iron throne. No other King/Queen hepled the nights watch when cries for help went out.

This doesn't make sense to me, obviously when a new leader comes into power new rules are made/old ones are done away with. The same would go for stannis as well as dany with this either of them may change a few things, but the majority of law stays how it is. It's not like She will lead the 7 kingdoms and all the laws written suddenly go away. She would have a hand and small council just like any other....at least that's what I'm assuming.
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I simply mean that no one understands her cause. People at first thought they were going to Westeros instead they stay at Meeren for years. Stannis on the other hand, people know his cause, and know what they're are fighting for. Dany changes her mind every which way, in contrast Stannis always has a clear objective.
 
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Agonist said:
No, Stannis is the legal heir. The Targaryens took Westeros by means of conquest. Robbert ended that with his rebellion destroying the Targaryen line. Doesn't matter if they ruled for a 1000 years, there is no claim that is stronger that Stannis's. Keep in mind it's not even their land, they just invaded it and made everyone bend the knee like they're some superior race placing themselves on pedestals because they have dragons.

Dany is a horrible choice for the Iron Throne. What has she done? Freed slaves to later starve them to death. Invading Meereen, ignoring her advisers to go to Westoros(Her supposed home country) and making an abundance of horrible ruling decisions resulting in the other free cities revolting. Completely spitting on Dorne's request to unite her in marriage. Even when Barristen Selmy brings up that Eddard Stark objected in her getting executed, she completely ignores him and spits on him as well, just because he was in the rebellion. She can't even realize why people wanted her father dead. She is truly the Mad Queen.


Sure Stannis has a vulgar attitude, but he's only person who's saved the realm. He realized with help of Davos that he needed to save the realm before taking the iron throne. No other King/Queen hepled the nights watch when cries for help went out.



I simply mean that no one understands her cause. People at first thought they were going to Westeros instead they stay at Meeren for years. Stannis on the other hand, people know his cause, and know what they're are fighting for. Dany changes her mind every which way, in contrast Stannis always has a clear objective.
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Ah good points all, I wonder...
If R+L=J and Targaryens like to keep it in the family...Perhaps Dany as attractive Queen/PR person and John as Hand? Haha would be cool, too perfect of GRRM i'm afraid.
. I'm certainly interested in seeing how Stannis' plot continues.

And Dany's as well, she is still young. Perhaps she will grow into a more competent ruler? Might she be doing well for one so young?

Can't wait for the episode tonight, that and Mad Men.
 
Agonist said:
Jon is the man.

Look at the qualities:

You have to be reborn. Of course this is as simple as it sounds, you have to die and be brought back. I believe Melisandre will bring back Jon from the dead.

You have to be born amidst salt and smoke
''In the cold night air the wound was smoking''-last chapter from Jon
and the salt is referring to ''tears''=Bowen Marsh crying

Have to wield Lightbringer. Whilst Jon only has longclaw at the moment, he did have a dream earlier in the book about him wielding a flaming blade on top of the wall killing others.

Be in the blood line of Mad King Aerys. Most people can agree he is the product of Rhagaer and Lyanna, so yes.
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youre mixing azor ahai with the prince who was promised. all you have to do for azor ahai is pull the burning sword from the fire at the dread hour and fight against the others - which jon is seemingly the man to do. the prince who was promised is probably the same legend just messed up over thousands of years, moving continents, and added targ self importance...but it could be a separate person with a different purpose too.

"Prophecy is like a half-trained mule. It looks as though it might be useful, but the moment you trust in it, it kicks you in the head" tyrion
 
apparently sky isnt putting full thronecast episodes up on youtube anymore those fucks. anyone know got easy to use proxy/vpn i can use with firefox to watch as if im in the uk, had no luck finding one.
 
so everyone just posts when im fuckn banned, then disappears when im back? gayyyyy
what the hell people. lets talk some effing GoT. next 2 episodes and further
 
giant archers and the wall scythe anyone?
 
Falkor said:
giant archers and the wall scythe anyone?
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Concerning your point, why would it be stupid for him to come in ep 9? We had plenty of time to fit in the Mance conversation in. Stannis would attack at the end of the episode and then it would cut after 2 minutes of fighting. Then the next episode we would have him at the wall and the Jon v Winterfell scene. Now that won't be shown till next season. The bigger point here is ep 9 had no climax. Jon going to find Mance at the end was just too low leash. The fight would have gone as a perfect parallel to Blackwater when the Tyrells came at the end. Like I said before D and D hate Stannis and will never let him have his moment. They will completely foreshadow him with the Tywin death scene and Lady Stoneheart. Do you think people will care when they see what comes after. ''Cool, Stannis killed the wildlings...O WTF CATELYN IS ALIVE''. Last ep was the perfect time for Stannis to get his due.

Next episode will most likely be horribly paced. They will squish all these scenes in. I'm not expecting much next week. The whole season has really been a disaster to say myself.
 
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