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I just came back for the patch in time to turn my 19 guardian druid into Kul Tiran and was excited about testing the new racials..

..Then i queued, saw average wait time 49min and wondered WTF is happening here. I had to come here to discover that they pigeonholed us into XP off bracket again when the population is but a fraction of what it was back then. **ck me.

Never expected that mid expansion, especially after the nerf to OP chants. I guess they hate subs.
 
Yes, Blizzard recently split the xp-off and xp-on queues because twinks had an unfair advantage over non-twinks. And a number of twink advocates on the Blizzard forums are complaining and saying that Blizzard is destroying their enjoyment of the game. So let's look at a few things and see what the observed results say about the community.

1. Splitting the queues causes an increased queue time.
This is pretty obvious. Having twice the number of queues with the same player population will obviously increase queue time. But the relative increases the two new queues have over the original queue is important. If the twink queue has a larger increase in time than the non-twink queue, that indicates that twinks are in the minority. And of course, if the non-twink queue takes longer than the twink queue, the opposite is true. So the result of the observed data is that twinks are in the minority. This means from a business point of view Blizzard should cater to the majority.

Now with separated queues, the time for the twink queue has increased dramatically over the original queue time. This indicates that a large number of the twink community has stopped queuing since the queue split. The question becomes "Why have they stopped queuing?" and I see two reasonable answers to that question.
a. They stopped because the queue time was too long.
b. They stopped because they were no longer able to "fight" players with significantly inferior gear.

The truth of the matter is that both of the above possible answers are correct. Some quit due to increased queue time, and some quit because they only wanted unfair fights, making other players miserable.

I have no problems with those people who want to twink and fight other twinks for the challenge. It's their way of having fun and more power to them. But the twink community has a significant population of people who derive their enjoyment of the game by making it miserable for other players. This is toxic behavior and is the main reason that Blizzard first introduced xpoff in Lich King and split the queues for twinks and non-twinks. When that unfair advantage was removed in later expansions, they merged the queues to the benefit of both communities. And when further expansions once again allowed twinks to gain an unfair advantage, then once again, they split the queues.

In conclusion:
1. For those twink players out there who twink for the enjoyment of fighting other twinks... more power to you and I hope you find a solution to your problem.
2. For those twink players out there who twink because they love killing those with inferior gear... FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU TOXIC ASSHOLES.
 
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Both sides of the coin have their place though...
fighting other twinks is awesome and should encouraged, true.
but twinks are about shitting on everyone and anyone, not just levelers, not just other twinks.
I don't understand GY camping and i never will. that crap is boring.
But you can't tell me you don't giggle a little when you pop a noob instantly. That's hilarious. but the novelty does ware off quick and that's where the other twinks come in and keep things interesting. It's awesome building rivalries in random BG ques not knowing who from the scene is going to pop up next.
Scheduling in your fun is so dull... on this day at this time we are going to be able to have some fun. yay?
and at the end of the day who in their right mind goes to war with no equipment? it's a BATTLE ground, join at your own risk, deaths basically mandatory. it should be that way.
I'm a casual twink, i live in Australia and i do other things in my life so i personally don't want to commit to longer ques or wargames.
and too be honest, why does it take separate ques for you people to organize your wargames?
If you are all truly as awesome and into the twink vs twink scene as you say you all are, shouldn't there be consistent wargames regardless of combined matchmaking? doesn't that tell you that all your so called real twinks aren't actually real twinks as they are forced into it?

I don't know... I guess i just see things differently?
I wish we could have both.
 
I would welcome this change if any other bracket than 19 or 20-29 got queue pops at a semi reasonable rate. I only have interest in 39 and 59 and unfortunately there is no queue pop atall, not a single one.. all day.
 
The issue is simple. Long queue times don't work for the casual player & most twinks are casual players. Honestly, most non twinks are casual playes. Even people who have xpon have started to complain about this chance in the general chat. People want to lvl by pvping and you can't now. Most people get off work & just want to pvp for an hour or so & get a few games in maybe 3-4 days a week. thats just not possible anymore.

Nobody is going to pay for a game that they get to enjoy for 1 day a week maybe for a few 20 min bg's after lots and lots of planning for WGs. It's just not a good move at all by blizz. The wow community isn't large enough anymore for a change like this to work.

Lastly, I preached in BGs over and over not to gy camp because it would end up leading to something like this. Some of us are in it for competion twinks v twinks. Somes were in it for the lols & emotebs but all of us were doing it because it was fun and now it's just fucked.

Unsubbed. FREE Lvl 20 vet inc.
[doublepost=1552776982,1552776860][/doublepost]39 was closest thing to classic and the best bracket. Gone completely now. 39 arena 3's was popping off these last month too... Damn.
 
I don't think me or anyone else here are in a position of demanding blizzard to revert this or not.

The truth is - they are a bus.
Now make no mistake - they are a shitty ass bus.
But you can't complain to a bus that it smells bad or drives in the opposite direction of your house.
A bus does not give a single fuck about its passengers.
Its number one prerogative is to get to set destination.

The only thing you can do is hop off it or do what f2p and vets are doing - riding on the roof for free and hoping conductor would not notice you.
 
jcochran said:
FUCK OFF AND DIE YOU TOXIC ASSHOLES.
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Who's the toxic one?

You missed a third reason why twinks aren't queuing.

Lots and lots of Purple items to be had, personally I have 30 plus twinks that I need to re-evaluate gear on, and quest / camp rares on. Don't have the time to queue at the moment. I'm committed to queuing Randon BG's EU 70's Sunday / Monday because the community are trying to organize something to get pops rolling.

@jcochran You really think that anything will change in low level XP on BG's? You will still get players joining with 4 or 5 items equipped, and 2 of those will be gray. They will now be farmed by levelers in Heirlooms who will still have 1.5 times their DPS and health.
Just a casual observation, players on the Official forums complain they are GY Camped by Twinks "every" BG, never taking into account twinks play both factions and you are just as likely to have Twinks in your team as against it. Some brackets had more of a faction imbalance than others, but on the whole I'd suggest you are just as likely to have been teamed with twinks as against them.

The moaners are proabaly the very same players at max level that get lucky with socketed gear and never gem it, or enchant anything.

It's an MMO and gear / character progression is a huge part of it, whether that's a max level or not.

Levelers pass through our chosen brackets, not the other way round.
 
Some seem to have missed the little detail that the twink community for the most part consists of two types of players. Those who love challenging PvP combat and welcome playing against other equally skilled and geared players. To those people, I salute you. Good job, and keep it up.

However, there's also a large number of toxic assholes in the twink community who seem to believe that their goal in life is to make things as miserable as possible to other players. They GY camp, along with other unsporting behavior. To those people, may they rot in Hell.

And the way to get rid of most of the toxic assholes is to split the queues. Already the queues for levelers is recovering, even getting shorter than the times were before the split on some realms simply because some levelers are trying BGs as they get word that they're not going to one shot and shit upon by twinks. As for the xpoff queue times, that is a problem the people who enjoy going against other geared and skilled people have to solve for themselves. But take heart, the split does get rid of most of the toxic assholes. There still remain a few who attempt to get into the leveling queues via exploits, bugs, and such (look at other messages on this site for examples). But those people do run the risk of getting caught and banned, so are not a major problem.
 
Warglave said:
What about the toxic assholes that love challenging PvP combat and playing equally skilled and geared players?
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By definition, such do not exist.
If you enjoy fighting others who are capable of fighting back, you're not a toxic asshole. If you're the type to GY camp and need to make things miserable for others in order to have fun, then you are a toxic asshole.

If you do both and then think you're not a toxic asshole, then you're delusional.
 
jcochran said:
By definition, such do not exist.
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Enter the hole in your concept (the ass-hole, as it were)... because they most certainly do. In every bracket.

Assholes that just want others to be miserable.
Assholes that just want to talk down to others.
Assholes who need to make others feel bad so they can feel good.

The list goes on... what about those assholes? Just because they "like" challenging PvP doesn't mean they are good for it.
 
i hate to be that guy but i knew this was coming. when twink's got their "power" back i knew the "casual" player would be highly agitated with getting shafted in BG's while trying to level again. i've been on both ends and have played through all renditions of how twinking has played. and safe to say during the state of the game this wasn't a good move. hate to see it happen and hate to see very slow que times but who knows what will happen in the coming weeks, maybe people will actually get good ques going.
 
jcochran said:
Already the queues for levelers is recovering, even getting shorter than the times were before the split on some realms simply because some levelers are trying BGs as they get word that they're not going to one shot and shit upon by twinks. .
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The shorter queues times has absolutely nothing to do with the numbers of new toons being rolled as ZT or KH? I'd suggest the shorter times are much more to do with the sheer volumes of players playing new toons than having no XP off players

I'm doing a lot of leveling dungeons atm, the queue times for them have gone from 10 mins for DPS to < 2mins, <1min for healer and instant for tanks.
 
Harley Q said:
Both sides of the coin have their place though...
fighting other twinks is awesome and should encouraged, true.
but twinks are about shitting on everyone and anyone, not just levelers, not just other twinks.
I don't understand GY camping and i never will. that crap is boring.
But you can't tell me you don't giggle a little when you pop a noob instantly. That's hilarious. but the novelty does ware off quick and that's where the other twinks come in and keep things interesting. It's awesome building rivalries in random BG ques not knowing who from the scene is going to pop up next.
Scheduling in your fun is so dull... on this day at this time we are going to be able to have some fun. yay?
and at the end of the day who in their right mind goes to war with no equipment? it's a BATTLE ground, join at your own risk, deaths basically mandatory. it should be that way.
I'm a casual twink, i live in Australia and i do other things in my life so i personally don't want to commit to longer ques or wargames.
and too be honest, why does it take separate ques for you people to organize your wargames?
If you are all truly as awesome and into the twink vs twink scene as you say you all are, shouldn't there be consistent wargames regardless of combined matchmaking? doesn't that tell you that all your so called real twinks aren't actually real twinks as they are forced into it?

I don't know... I guess i just see things differently?
I wish we could have both.
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you can have both, as a level 20 vet account you can choose whether to queue against xpoff or against xpon whenever you like

though i understand this is only the case for one bracket
 
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