New 'Fairness' Policy for AP AGM! (Coming Soon!)

[Shft]

Priests are totally unable to get KBs you're totally right. *cough* incompletely geared 24 discs can hit 800 crit mind blasts all day *cough*



The kind p2ps such as Shiftqt could very well never let anyone have an agm trinket when they are online. Seems to me everyone is just jealous. I've played without an agm on AP before they came up with this and i'll continue until I get a turn. Cheers

 

[Kincaide]

You say I spend my time on p2p things? What does that even mean? I have spent more time on my 20 than 90% of the community, and I have grinded all my BoAs. I don't have an 85 on this server, or anywhere else for that matter. I grind gold for armor kits, you skin a thousand pigs. Tell me the difference in ideals there?

No no, I didn't express myself well. It was a question, not a statement. I'm trying to figure out the cause behind the apparent change in seeing the F2Pers as people to be helped and supported, to people who are ungrateful whiners whom you guys are less inclined to help. I'm not accusing you of anything at all, I promise you. I'm trying to understand your point of view, and figure out what I can do to help you. Please believe me.

 

[Preeztess]

Kincaide, I have a lot of respect for you and many of others in the F2P community.



I said I am being patient, I help others, I group and do /rolls to see who gets it and who helps. I have no problem if anyone wants to use an 85 or a 60 or a 75 or multi-box to get their AGM.



But once again, if you use an 85 to get your AGM, your friends AGM, your alts AGM, there's no problem. I'm fine with that. But then to turn around and say, 'Okay, now that we gamed the system to get our AGM's, that's going to stop.'



...and when I get my AGM is besides the point. I need it and will get it eventually. Wether I currently have BiS is immaterial.



If you want to help others get AGM, great. So do I. But don't stop other 20's from getting theirs the same way you did.

 

[Zatox]

No no, I didn't express myself well. It was a question, not a statement. I'm trying to figure out the cause behind the apparent change in seeing the F2Pers as people to be helped and supported, to people who are ungrateful whiners whom you guys are less inclined to help. I'm not accusing you of anything at all, I promise you. I'm trying to understand your point of view, and figure out what I can do to help you. Please believe me.

its the events of us turning into bad guys because we're using my 85 to help gear a few friends and myself. we do as much as we can for this community (including drop what we're doing to start groups which otherwise wouldnt exist at all)



we still want to help a support the players, but he want to help and support ourselves at the same time.

 

[allahkazam]

hahahaha don't really deserve it? you wouldn't even have a bracket to twink in if it was not for them.



you say you want to help out people and then constantly talk down to them. just amusing.

 

[Zatox]

Kincaide, I have a lot of respect for you and many of others in the F2P community. I said I am being patient, I help others, I group and do /rolls to see who gets it and who helps. I have no problem if anyone wants to use an 85 or a 60 or a 75 or multi-box to get their AGM. But once again, if you use an 85 to get your AGM, your friends AGM, your alts AGM, there's no problem. I'm fine with that. But then to turn around and say, 'Okay, now that we gamed the system to get our AGM's, that's going to stop.' ...and when I get my AGM is besides the point. I need it and will get it eventually. Wether I currently have BiS is immaterial. If you want to help others get AGM, great. So do I. But don't stop other 20's from getting theirs the same way you did.

eventually its gotta stop. if you want to compare our means of getting the chest, where it ends is we're p2p. your doing it on a level 59 deathknight whom i can 1shot and anyone can 1shot. your not protecting the 20s with that dk. you couldnt kill a thing.



i however, have the ability to fend off or even kill other 85s with my character. so in a sense im protecting you in a way as well, as an 85 is gonna have no issues camping a 59 dk.



also....your intention is to help yourself and yourself only: if you truly wanted to help guard from other players, you'd be 85.

 

[bvalks]

this thread is pointless

 

[Zatox]

hahahaha don't really deserve it? you wouldn't even have a bracket to twink in if it was not for them. you say you want to help out people and then constantly talk down to them. just amusing.

i f2p twink with f2p gear and chants. with a few perks. i could care LESS if this bracket disappeared into thin air. i can simply move on to a new bracket.



yet you feel that its okay for them to talk down to ME? the guy who pays for their right to even play for free?



im not sure you all understand the gravity of this. i could very easily steamroll the hell out of you with a 24 but i choose not to. i play by the rules (most of them, granted a few small ones)

 

[Preeztess]

eventually its gotta stop. if you want to compare our means of getting the chest, where it ends is we're p2p. your doing it on a level 59 deathknight whom i can 1shot and anyone can 1shot. your not protecting the 20s with that dk. you couldnt kill a thing.



i however, have the ability to fend off or even kill other 85s with my character. so in a sense im protecting you in a way as well, as an 85 is gonna have no issues camping a 59 dk.



also....your intention is to help yourself and yourself only: if you truly wanted to help guard from other players, you'd be 85.

Please, it's exactly the same.



So you're saying that when Secclusion is at the arena, and your intention is to get the chest, that you won't kill any F2P's with your 85 to get it? You have and I've seen it.



You have a high-level F2P killing toon that helps you get an AGM, and so do I. You just can't admit that there's no difference. You would mow down an arena full of F2P's on your 85 to get the chest. Don't start spouting off that you're interested in helping anyone.

 

[Earlwing]

hahahaha don't really deserve it? you wouldn't even have a bracket to twink in if it was not for them.



you say you want to help out people and then constantly talk down to them. just amusing.

This exactly. I've earned the respect of a lot of people in battlegrounds, using f2p gear restrictions and I still get treated like crap because i'm not too cheap to pay for my entertainment. I group up premades practically all day every day, I offer my advice wherever I can, I consistently have to respec to be the only healer in the group, and I'm not a fucking 24. Big deal if i got an AGM before you, I PAY 15$ A MONTH. Some of you guys are nothing but a bunch of ungrateful freeloaders.

 

[Zatox]

Please, it's exactly the same.



So you're saying that when Secclusion is at the arena, and your intention is to get the chest, that you won't kill any F2P's with your 85 to get it? You have and I've seen it.



You have a high-level F2P killing toon that helps you get an AGM, and so do I. You just can't admit that there's no difference. You would mow down an arena full of F2P's on your 85 to get the chest. Don't start spouting off that you're interested in helping anyone.

DO YOU FUCKING READ?



i said im there to help the f2ps, AFTER i get it for myself. if i have to mow down an arena full of f2ps for them to get the picture to back the hell up so i can get it on my druid, then so be it. but once its all said and done and ive got my shiny 12 stamina, i'll stand there and oversee that no one interferes with F2P 20 madness.

 

[Preeztess]

DO YOU FUCKING READ?



i said im there to help the f2ps, AFTER i get it for myself. if i have to mow down an arena full of f2ps for them to get the picture to back the hell up so i can get it on my druid, then so be it. but once its all said and done and ive got my shiny 12 stamina, i'll stand there and oversee that no one interferes with F2P 20 madness.

Wow, see? He still doesn't get it, lol.



Let me translate:

After I use a high-level toon to get my AGM with little effort, I will personally make sure that no one else uses a high level toon to get their AGM. I'm so noble.

 

[Critcity]

YEAAA BUDDY ME AND MY BUTT BUDDY PRIEST FARM AP KIDS CAUSE THEY THINK THEIR THE SHIT. EPIC AND ALGROIMTH OF PVP FTW. You all can hate on me and icarrynoobs idc we like to have fun and we dont usaully farm because were not as silly as most the allies.

 

[Zatox]

Wow, see? He still doesn't get it, lol.



Let me translate:

wait...level 59 is a high level toon? im confused.





of course i realise what the hell im doing. your just so fucking butthurt by the fact that i have the ability to say no to your lazy ass 59 dk garbage.

 

[Kincaide]

I've earned the respect of a lot of people in battlegrounds, using f2p gear restrictions and I still get treated like crap because i'm not too cheap to pay for my entertainment.

I am SO confused now. You and Kahr keep talking about being treated like crap. Who is treating you like crap? I saw one person, Preeztess, express his concerns over what he saw as an inconsistent "policy" enforcement. Have you guys been mistreated elsewhere? I hang out with you guys all the time. I don't hear you talking about being treated like crap, I hear you talking about being revered. I've experienced that myself: when we walk into a BG, people are so happy because they aren't going to get steamrolled by Spirestone l24 premades.



I'm concerned about you guys talking so much about being treated like crap, and "by everyone" no less, because that is indicative of an "us v them" stance, where us is you guys, and them is the rest of the F2P community. I know there was that one guy who told you to eat a c*** sandwich, and he has effectively been ostracized from the community, and I know that Pree posted this one concern here--which I still haven't expressed any opinion on myself--but outside of that, where is this sense of persecution coming from?

 

[Zatox]

its not so much in game, but i've received it consistently here on the forums.

 

[Kincaide]

of course i realise what the hell im doing. your just so fucking butthurt by the fact that i have the ability to say no to your lazy ass 59 dk garbage.

I'm going to say it again, Kahr. I built the good name and reputation of the organization that your guild is named after, and when you talk in this manner to other people, you smear that name. If your guild really supports this kind of divisive talk--and I don't believe it does, unless I don't know my own friends at all--then everything I created in the name of the Aerie Peak Strike Force has been twisted into a garish caricature of the greatness it once was. I have faith in Earl that he's not going to let that happen, and he's going to tell you to knock it the hell off.

 

[Earlwing]

Sorry Kin, I guess everyone just means Preez, the players that have wisp'd me about AGM, stfuther and you to a certain degree.

 

[Kincaide]

Me? Really? Why don't we talk about this in PMs. It's possible that I haven't expressed myself clearly enough, and I wouldn't want to leave you with any impression that I hold ill will towards you. I took a lot of risks saying what I said today; risks that I wouldn't be clear enough or that I could easily be misconstrued. I'd rather make the effort to clear that up, if you'd like to talk about it.

 

[Zatox]

I'm going to say it again, Kahr. I built the good name and reputation of the organization that your guild is named after, and when you talk in this manner to other people, you smear that name. If your guild really supports this kind of divisive talk--and I don't believe it does, unless I don't know my own friends at all--then everything I created in the name of the Aerie Peak Strike Force has been twisted into a garish caricature of the greatness it once was. I have faith in Earl that he's not going to let that happen, and he's going to tell you to knock it the hell off.

im sorry kin, but im not going to sit here and take this bullshit from people who dont pay.



its beyond rediculous. you keep coming at us, yet you've yet to voice your opinion on the person who started this thread, who has the intention of doing no different than I.



and as far you thinking that Earl can stop me from doing anything....LOL (no offense to earl)