Mooeycritmas' 29 Shaman Deep Dive Guide (Phase 6 & Burning Crusade Ready)
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Smiffy
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Give it a go man! Would love to hear your feedback! <3
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this is outright wrong, do you even play 29 shaman? Ele support is as strong as resto support in pugs. Its laughable if you think resto support and enh support (and enh non-support?) are viable in pugs but not ele. pls dont spread disinformation
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odyne
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flame shock/flametongue are both around 15% spell power coefficient afaik, i think searing totem and fire nova sit around 6-8%? so you get almost no value out of +fire gear, some spellpower in general is pretty nice though as it works for everything.
Smiffy
world BIS 39 warlock retail
I play 29 shaman, played it in vanilla, and played in classic since the phase WSG was introduced - and actively play. (In my introduction I actually go to state my credentials / introduce myself)
We're talking about classic twinking here right? Just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing.
Elemental misses out on a lot of talents that would help support your teammates. Nature's Guidance for hit chance to land interrupts / slows.
Healing Focus to avoid push back whilst healing.
Totemic Mastery to increase the range that totems will affect friendly targets.
Ancestral Healing to give 25% armour when you crit a heal on your target.
Improved Healing Wave to get better HpS.
Elemental gets;
Reduced shock time by 1 sec.
If we're comparing which tree is going to benefit your team in pugs or premades more, the talents speak for themself.
An enhancement-resto hybrid is the strongest for pugs, with imp ghost wolf and nature's guidance.
Like I said, I'm not hating on elemental - but I'm rather managing expectations for those that are potentially going to make an elemental shaman, you don't have all the tools in your arsenal at 29 compared to restoration or enh-resto.
odyne
Legend
Mate the guide is much appreciated in general, but don't knock the guy down for making the statement ele doesn't equal arcane mage, because that is straight up bullshit. Elemental does offer some very useful talents for someone capable of playing the class well. Shaman at 29 is one of those classes where many builds are very viable depending on playstyle and how well you play.
You seem to make some questionable choices in your talent builds yourself though.
For example in every resto build you straight up sink 3 points into ancestral healing, why? you're rocking maybe 8% crit max (no worldbuffs ofc) and even then 25% armor on most classes is not worth you sinking 3 points. You're a utility class and totems should be popped almost constantly if you wanna optimise your play, 5/5 totemic focus to reach the next tier is by far the most logical.
Similarly you skip over or just put one point into earth's grasp every time you enter the ele tree? For someone that's played shaman for so long you should realize the value of a 20% increase in earth bind totem.
And then funnily enough for someone that values 25% armor on random crits so much, everytime you enter the enhancement tree you value 5% mana over 5% block+25% amount blocked? You know even if you rock int heavy gear and reach into 2600+ mana you're only getting like 130-150 ish mana from 5 talent points right?
Smiffy
world BIS 39 warlock retail
I never knocked anyone for saying ele doesn't equal arcane mage - I made a reference to elemental being like arcane mage, as in to say that compared to other talent trees within their respective classes they don't offer as much.
I've said in my last two responses that I have nothing against elemental shaman - I've seen elemental shaman in BGs before and I hope that they're having fun. All I'm trying to do is manage the expectations of those looking to roll elemental vs other specializations - it's not going to be a powerhouse spec within its bracket (as compared to say the 49 bracket where they're one of the kings)
As far as my examples for talent trees - I prefer 3/3 Ancestral Healing, using 700 armor as a median (approximately where most leather wearers stand [so taking into account clothies wear less armor, and mail wearers use more) a crit will provide an additional 175 armor. [700 Armor is a 19% Damage Reduction against a level 29 attacker according to tooltip]
Currently unbuffed with gear I've listed in my gear lists, (not int stacking, nor buffed) I'm sitting at almost 9% spell crit (8.92% to be exact) with arcane intellect, self pots and buffs that could be close to 15%
In contrast to Totemic Focus, your most expensive mana totem at 29 is Magma Totem which has a base mana of 230 mana, putting 5/5 in that is going to save you 57.5 mana - which is a lot, but that's for a totem that's not used every fight - and which in your example you're trying to highlight you drop totems every fight [which I agree with, you should] but your average cost of the more utilisted totems are much less, as highlighted below;
Stoneskin Totem (Rank 3) - 90 Mana (68 with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [22 Mana Saved] {81 Mana with 2/5 - 13 Mana Difference}
Earthbind Totem - 37 Mana (28 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [9 Mana Saved] {34 Mana with 2/5 - 6 Mana Saved}
Tremor Totem - 60 mana (45 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [15 Mana Saved] {54 Mana with 2/5 - 9 Mana Saved}
Strength of Earth Totem (Rank 2) - 65 Mana (49 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [16 Mana Saved] {58 Mana with 2/5 - 9 Mana Saved}
Searing Totem (Rank 2) - 45 Mana - (34 mana with 5/5 Totem Focus) [11 Mana Saved] {40 Mana with 2/5 - 6 Mana Saved}
Fire Nova Totem (Rank 2) - 170 Mana - (128 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [42 Mana Saved] {153 Mana with 2/5 - 25 Mana Saved}
Frost Resistance Totem (Rank 1) - 75 Mana (56 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [19 Mana Saved] {68 Mana with 2/5 - 12 Mana Saved}
Flametongue Totem (Rank 1) - 90 Mana (68 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [22 Mana Saved] {81 Mana with 2/5 - 13 Mana Saved}
Fire Resistance Totem (Rank 1) - 75 Mana (56 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [19 Mana Saved] {68 Mana with 2/5 - 12 Mana Saved}
Healing Stream Totem (Rank 1) - 40 Mana (30 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [10 Mana Saved] {36 Mana with 2/5 - 6 Mana Saved}
Mana Spring Totem (Rank 1) - 40 mana (30 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [10 Mana Saved] {36 Mana with 2/5 - 6 Mana Saved}
Poison Cleansing Totem - 63 Mana (47 Mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus) [16 Mana Saved] {57 Mana with 2/5 - 10 Mana Saved}
*amounts in {} are 2/5 amounts compared to 5/5 amounts as far as mana saved
You're not saving a lot of mana throughout a period of the fight(s) [keeping in mind, I still spec 2/5 Totemic Focus, so the mana saved in this comparison is even less when you can put the other 3 points in Ancestral Healing])
Not to mention Totemic Focus doesn't benefit from world buffs or consumables, unlike Ancestral Healing.
I won't refute your point on Earth's Grasp - you're completely right, a point or two there can be useful. Like all talent tree choices, some points can be flexible. Thank you for pointing that out. Much appreciated.
Regarding 5/5 Ancestral Knowledge vs 5/5 Shield Specialization
With 2600 mana (your example [which really isn't int heavy, int heavy would be closer to 2700-2800]) that's an increase of 130 Mana, which is almost the exact same that a +150 mana libram would provide.
5/5 Shield Specialization sounds great in theory, but that's only optimal if you're in a position where you're able to use it - in which unless you're going enhance for flag carry spec, wouldn't be the ideal case.
Even if you're playing a different play style where you're liking to be in the thick of things, that's a 10% block chance to block 19.7 damage (physical) which isn't much (Using Basalt Buckler as the example).
Comparing it to your argument where you're likening it to Ancestral Healing's increased armor (which by my median example [700] is an extra 175 armor, which according to tooltip example given above is an extra 4.75% damage reduction [all damage])
4.75% Damage reduction to all damage vs 10% chance to block 19.7 damage against physical attacks for a spec unless you're flag carrying you're less likely to utilise.
I hope this clarifies my choices. Let me know if it doesn't, or if you're not finding where / how I got my math.
In conclusion, I still stand by my point that Elemental is less viable (note, less viable, NOT not viable) than restoration nor enhancement / resto hybrid as per my previous post highlighting the differences between talent tree offerings.
More than happy to have a constructive conversation, in fact I enjoy it - but no need to try and make a mockery of each other - I haven't gone out of my way to try and shame anyone.
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odyne
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Your conradictions are cracking me up here. You spend a paragraph defending a very situational 175 armor increase (even with your 15% crit which i guarantee almost no shaman will have unless wbuffs are involved) and then another paragraph telling me the very consistend damage reduction of shield specialization is a waste? As a shaman you often end up being the FC in a pug as well, even if only temporarily. and you should definitely be in the thick of it with the great utlity you offer, rarely spamming heals from the back but ok fair enough thats a playstyle thing.
Then you tell me 150 mana increase is equal to a whole libram and therefore should not be overlooked. But you also write a whole book on how 5/5 totemic focus doesn't save enough mana (definitely more than 150). Which funnily enough also shows me you likely don't optimise your totem use.
Finally just a personal opinion here but once you go over 2600 at the expense of HP it makes no sense in my eyes, if you're playing your role correctly by mainly purging, dropping totems/shocking and only throwing the occasional heal you really shouldn't be ooming.
Smiffy
world BIS 39 warlock retail
Not sure where the contradictions lie, but I even detailed some of the things you said in my reply - not sure if I need to quote or paraphrase for you to show such;
Yep - you're right, shamans won't have 15% crit without world buffs - that's why I pointed that out - they're not exactly hard to come by, and if we're heavily focused on pugstyle gameplay, you see PLENTY of people with world buffs queueing.
Yep - you're right. Just like I pointed out, it's not a waste if you're finding yourself in a position where you're getting hit constantly, just like my example of being an FC that I provided.
No, what I'm telling you is 3/3 Ancestral Healing is better than an additional 3 points in Totemic Focus. (Keeping in mind, I've specced 2 points in Totemic Focus as per my previous reply)
Let's say for hypothetical reasons you're the most totem-crazy player to ever have existed, with the math I provided above (all sources straight from wowhead classic for mana costs) you'll have to cast 6 Fire Nova Totems in one fight to make up the same amount of mana as to what Ancestral Knowledge would give you with 2600 mana (which I agree with you, is my preferred sweetspot for mana.)
I mean, if you're in a fight casting 6 Fire Nova Totems, I think you're playing resto wrong.
Other totems that you'll more-so see in team fights cost about roughly half of Fire Nova totem meaning you'll need to drop roughly around 10-11 totems to make up the same mana that Ancestral Knowledge would give you at 2600 mana (130).
I definitely optimize my totems - but generally speaking the fights that I'm in don't last long enough to drop 20 totems (10 as an example, and a further 10 to make up the mana difference between 2/5 Totemic Focus and 5/5 Totemic Focus) as I'm more mana efficient than that and would value healing someone that's doing damage, or, interrupting enemy casters so therefore the 8 or so on average that I need to place in a team fight are enough before I can drink again.. and carry on with my next fight / engagement.
In my style of gameplay I would throw more heals than I would totems - and with 8.9% Spell Crit unbuffed I would only need to throw about 11-12 heals mathematically to see Ancestral Healing's benefit.
It's not uncommon to throw that many heals in a fight. Nor is it a skewed example, as 12 heals would be around 1,740 mana - which would leave 900 mana (before regeneration / mp5 / potions) to cast totems, purges & shocks - which is plenty.
I agree. I personally run with 2631 Mana, 2125 HP, 83 Healing, 16 Spellpower (unbuffed) and I find myself in most fights never at a loss for mana.
I do appreciate the time that you're taking out to reply, but without blatantly shutting me down or straight away dismissing / saying no, I would love to see the math or some sort of proofing behind your reasoning - I've provided twice now.
odyne
Legend
You're saying you need Wbuffs to fully utilise the spec you're advertisiing in a general guide, that's an interesting stance to take is, all i can say to that really.
And yes i know you pointed out that when you're getting hit shield spec is good, however what i'm saying is that comparing it to the 5% mana it almost always should come out on top, which again, is more appropriate for a general guide.
To defend your totem spec argument you keep referencing your ''fight duration'', I often find myself in long efc chases or long support scenarios where drinking is not realistic, apparently you live in a world where every fight just ends in 20 seconds and you sit down for a nice long drink?
And apparently you pump out 11-12 heals on the regular, frankly if i ever have to do that i consider myself to have seriously fucked up on positioning.
Anyway in my previous posts I've made my arguments why certain talents should come above others in their respective tier because generally if you play your class correctly, these talents would more often come out beneficial. We clearly play the class very differently judging from your arguments.
Smiffy
world BIS 39 warlock retail
I'm not saying you need world buffs to utilise it, I'm saying they're complimented by it. In the example I gave (11-12 heals) that was based off no buffs.
With world buffs, that changes to closer to 6 heals before you can see Ancestral Healing proc mathematically.
Side note: In TBC 3/3 Ancestral Healing & 2/5 Totemic Focus is definitely non-negotiable compared to 5/5 Totemic Focus as crit scaling comes to our favour. I'm sure you'll agree with this as your argument seems to lean towards on the lack of crit available at 29, correct?
I disagree, but that comes down to preference of play style. The fact it's a 10% chance to block less than 20 damage (physical) - which requires both you and the attacker to be facing each other, in non-ghost wolf form is situational on it's own, but to then be relying on a 10% proc chance.. I find this less general and universal than a constant 130 mana (for resto hybrid shamans).
I reference fight duration because you keep bringing up the fact that you utilise totems so well and/or I don't utilise totems.
Utilising totems, especially when your arguement is 5/5 Totemic Focus > 3/3 Ancestral Healing & 2/5 Totemic Focus (a mana conservative argument).
If you find yourself in long FC chases, what totems are you utilising other than Earthbind totem? (27 mana with 5/5 Totemic Focus [34 Mana with 2/5 Totemic Focus]) because you're not going to get great efficiency from other totems, other than situational ones like tremor totem and poison cleansing. (This example further highlights that going an additional 3 points in Totemic Focus is indeed worse than your standard fight where you would more commonly see more duration of your totems, as time:mana = efficiency)
No I live in a world where I can tick-drink, so you can still keep moving and drink at the same time. If you're not doing this already there's an amazing weakaura that can tell you when to eat/drink food so you can constantly tap your consumable on a beat to get the effects of it whilst moving.
How does pumping out heals = fucked up positioning? You have to heal teammates if restoration, especially an FC which isn't uncommon. You're instead asking people to go 5/5 Shield Specialisation in a healing tree - which would reflect more poorly on positioning, movement & possible poor mechanical gameplay as per the reason above which would require really odd situational positioning to be in, as a supportive class.
I do agree that talents should come down to preference as per your conclusion, but I disagree with your summary that your spec choice reflects that of a class played correctly or more-so than my guide and posts above highlight.
I'm not arguing for the sake of being stubborn, there's been points in your arguments in which I've agreed with. However there are parts that I wouldn't agree nor negotiate with if we're talking what's min/max best etc.
I'm talking from experience - not just from time played, but also being an officer & representing the #1 guild in 29s currently for Wargames, and we won the most recent cash tournament out of 8 hotly contested guilds.
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odyne
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As i said before I'm not going further into this discussion as we seem to be on a completely different page in terms of playstyle but I couldn't ignore this part. No offense but ''representing the 1# guild in 29s wargames'' is literally meaningless to me. I mainly played 70s twinking/arena and people had similar ego's there about being R1, not realizing how much of a joke that is.
Smiffy
world BIS 39 warlock retail
Why would I take offense that you find something meaningless?
I was just merely stating that to show that I'm not a garbage player - considering you challenged me when I listed earlier that I played shaman in vanilla to present - and as you have tried to discredit my guide or talent choices, despite me clearly outlining that my choices are more optimal in most cases (even given your FC chasing situation, which for going 5/5 Totemic Focus as compared to 2/5 Totemic Focus, you'll need to use about 17 totems to make up the 130 mana equivalent of Ancestral Knowledge [whilst also sacrificing the 9% chance to get 25% extra armor]).
We do have different playstyles, and I hope everyone chooses whatever class / spec they find to be most fun - but all this started off from me saying that elemental compared to other specs within the talent tree isn't as viable, likening it to Arcane Mage being less viable than frost mage & fire mage - which I've provided clear linear reasons as to why, and haven't been convincingly proven otherwise - all you've managed to do is go on a tangent to challenge my talent choices for other specialisations.
Hope you have fun with 70s & Arena and hope you reach rank 1 and have utmost fun.
odyne
Legend
9% chance on 25% armor when that target might not even need it at that point, an off chance on an off chance to provide a very small amount of physical damage reduction is the better choice in a general guide.
The arrogance to say you've proven your choices are undeniably more optimal cracks me up, but i'd expect no less from the very top of the 29 bracket
Smiffy
world BIS 39 warlock retail
9% chance on 25% armor when that target might not even need it at that point, an off chance on an off chance to provide a very small amount of physical damage reduction is the better choice in a general guide.
The arrogance to say you've proven your choices are undeniably more optimal cracks me up, but i'd expect no less from the very top of the 29 bracket
I assume that everything else I said that you haven't quoted you must acknowledge as true? I mean, this is the third reply that you've made in reference to my comments in which you have knit picked certain points, and haven't constructed any sort of defense or argument.
9% chance (base) on 25% armor (175 armor average) for a spec that commonly heals is not out of the ordinary.
You know what is? Advising that a restoration spec player should go 5/5 Shield Specialization so they can have a 10% chance to block 19 damage when they're at a face-to-face scenario with an opponent. You know.. because shaman's have a really hard time peeling from melee? (sarcasm)
Ancestral Healing benefits from buffs
Shield Specialization doesn't.
You haven't refuted that, probably won't either - just like previous points, like my EFC Chasing scenario and you going an extra 3 points in Totemic Focus so when you drop a surplus of 17 totems you're saving mana.
You can continue to be "cracked up" and find my choices "laughable" but until you provide an argument that makes logical and mathematical sense, i'll be here waiting.
Should I wait for your next reply? Which part are you going to knit pick next?
odyne
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Should I wait for your next reply? Which part are you going to knit pick next?
I've made my arguments for the other talents before, you've just decided they're not valid at all, so why should i continue with them?
Like i just pointed out again how very situational the actual moment of benefit from 25% armor gain is (which by the way is an average of just under 6% physical only damage reduction
based on your own 175 armor). Contrary to the very constant mana benefit from the other choice.You also know why this is different from the shield spec argument? because in that tier both of those are constant benefits, neither are proc related there.
I said before this can come down to playstyle but you can't even seem to wrap your head around that as you still think you're objectively right on this, so why should i waste my energy on the other points?
The reason i couldn't resist going further into the discussion is because it's slightly mindboggling how far up yourself you are
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Smiffy
world BIS 39 warlock retail
I've made my arguments for the other talents before, you've just decided they're not valid at all, so why should i continue with them?
Like i just pointed out again how very situational the actual moment of benefit from 25% armor gain is (which by the way is an average of just under 6% physical only damage reduction
You also know why this is different from the shield spec argument? because in that tier both of those are constant benefits, neither are proc related there.
I said before this can come down to playstyle but you can't even seem to wrap your head around that as you still think you're objectively right on this, so why should i waste my energy on the other points?
The reason i couldn't resist going further into the discussion is because it's slightly mindboggling how far up yourself you are
You haven't made arguments, all you've said is "Nah, mine is better" without actually providing reasoning - and when you do it's flawed, or you ignore the comparisons I make between your arguments.
Your choice would be a more constant benefit if you were playing a FC shaman, but we're discussing restoration shaman.
10% chance to block 19 damage when you and your opponent are face to face isn't a constant benefit as a restoration shaman, unless you're playing absurdly. It doesn't benefit the team at all, and with the right positioning your team can still benefit from your totems and you won't need to be in the front line to take advantage of 5/5 shield specialisation.
This is because your mana and time is better well spent healing, totems, purging and shocking (slowing, and interrupting) than to worry about doing damage (I say this, as you're going to get better DPS from Rogues, Hunters, Warriors, Mages, Boomkins, 2H Shaman & warlocks [in team fights]). Not saying you can't do this with 5/5 Shield Specialisation - but you can do all the above without needing to be near the frontline (where 5/5 Shield Specialisation would excel) but you'll lack serious efficiency as restoration.
9% (at minimum, maximum of near 18% [and higher in BC with crit rating scaling]) chance on heal to give someone 25% armor, which in my example is roughly 175 armor, which equates to roughly 4.9% damage reduction. On your average white hit, it'll reduce about 10-14 damage & on incoming critical damage in can scale a lot higher.
My argument is that there's nothing wrong with going shield specialisation as a flag carry FC, but when you're trying to argue that shield specialisation is better for restoration is where I'm confused - especially when you're chasing EFC's so much, who's hitting you? Unless you got a weird turtle PUG - but that's an outlier.
I mean, you still haven't defended the fact that you need to drop in surplus of 17 totems on average to have the benefits of 5/5 Totemic Focus during an EFC chase.
This is where the argument boils down to, Ancestral Knowledge vs Ancestral Healing is an apples for oranges argument (respectively different talent slot choices), where as 3/3 Ancestral Healing & 2/5 Totemic Focus vs 5/5 Totemic Focus is a apples for apples argument.
You're trying to say 5/5 Totemic Focus is better.
But for someone that's pro mitigation you're arguing that gaining 130 mana (Ancestral Knowledge) is worse than 5/5 Totemic Focus - which when compared to 2/5 Totemic Focus, in an EFC chase, you're really only going to get efficiency through Earthbind Totem (6 Mana difference between 2/5 & 5/5) & Tremor Totem (9 Mana difference between 2/5 & 5/5) majority of the time, and less occasionally poison cleansing totem. You'll need to drop roughly 17 Totems to make up 130 mana. Unless you're in some bot PUG game where the EFC is just standing still - but that's an outlier too.
Up myself? I'm defending myself - you've tried accusing me of sloppy talent choices and sloppy play style but didn't even know that tick drinking was a thing.
You're the one that came in cocky saying choices were laughable and amusing etc. when I was having a respectable discussion.
Which by the way, all started because I likened Elemental Shaman to Arcane Mage as far as how less viable they are to other specs within their respective talent trees.
You came in trying to be a hero and defend your friend who you thought I was attacking, which I wasn't.
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Legend
This started by you saying Ele is not a 'viable twink spec'. You then doubled down by clarifying you don't even consider it a viable spec in pugs. In general, claiming that a spec isn't viable in pugs--in my mind--requires it to be pretty damn useless. So all in all, to me, it's a pretty bold statement to make.
This was what I originally was replying to and what I disagreed with. I'd argue that the core kit of a 29 shaman--even with zero talent points spent--makes them viable in relation to almost any class. Without a single talent point spent you'll still have purge, interrupt, totems, slows, GW, heals and poison cleanse.
I'm not even arguing that Ele is super good or the best pug spec but I just can't wrap my head around how you can so easily dismiss reduced shock CD, elemental focus and eye of the storm as non-viable even in a pug setting. To me that is hyperbolic misleading nonsense. This all seem to stem from the fact that you think resto is a more viable spec--both for pugs and premades (which I don't even disagree with btw), but that way of looking at it is just super twisted in my world. That's like me saying deep combat sword rogue isn't viable since dagger is slightly better. Absurd. And btw I couldn't care less about your twink credentials lol.
This was what I originally was replying to and what I disagreed with. I'd argue that the core kit of a 29 shaman--even with zero talent points spent--makes them viable in relation to almost any class. Without a single talent point spent you'll still have purge, interrupt, totems, slows, GW, heals and poison cleanse.
I'm not even arguing that Ele is super good or the best pug spec but I just can't wrap my head around how you can so easily dismiss reduced shock CD, elemental focus and eye of the storm as non-viable even in a pug setting. To me that is hyperbolic misleading nonsense. This all seem to stem from the fact that you think resto is a more viable spec--both for pugs and premades (which I don't even disagree with btw), but that way of looking at it is just super twisted in my world. That's like me saying deep combat sword rogue isn't viable since dagger is slightly better. Absurd. And btw I couldn't care less about your twink credentials lol.
Smiffy
world BIS 39 warlock retail
Thanks for pointing out that I doubled down by saying I don't consider it viable in pugs. You're right.
Although you left out the part where I also doubled down that I likened Elemental Shaman to Arcane Mage in relation how less viable they are compared to other talent tree choices within their respective class. You also left out the fact that I highlighted this by actually showing the different talent choices between restoration and elemental, (in which I included improved shock) but it was still vastly outweighed by restoration.
It's now transgressed past that being the actual debate - because if you're going to try and defend that elemental is as viable (I'm saying AS viable, not that elemental ISNT viable) as restoration, then I couldn't care about your credentials at all, as it proves that you're mud.
I mean, if we're going to attack each other's guide - you might want to rethink your gear choices for TBC for restoration shaman - shaman's the only class I've peeped in that spreadsheet and there's already lots of red flags.
But I already commented (respectfully) on that post pointing out my opinion on that - didn't delve down as far to say you're trash and your gameplay means nothing.
I've mentioned my credentials once, and you guys keep referencing it - is it threatening or something?
I mean, I state that I played the game since vanilla and you looked over that.
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Legend
yeah what can I say, the analogy of Ele being the arcane mage of shamans is really accurate and shows how much you know about the game. GL