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Omgwtfsap said:
thing that i dont like about your videos is the content, not interesting. I disagree with there not been any good content possible out of the f2p bgs or arenas. For the most part your videos are about an alliance rogue's pov which means you will be showing matches against horde which would be fine BUT, when it comes to horde in the f2p bracket you are really facing inexperienced players. I dont mine watching one sided games unless one side is really doing something that just makes me lawl or drop my jaw to the ground (points a shirty). Watching your videos is like watching two soccer teams that are at the end of the ladder, the two sides are below average but one side is kicking the other's ass. Compare that to Fc Barcelona doing the same to a less than average team in which case barca is steamrolling yet at the same time doing it in a graceful manner and showing zero mercy as they make an example of the other team. Give us something that will wow us. Fighting nobodies and overpowering them is boring and uninteresting. Your video content is something anybody can experience by just queueing up as alliance. Show us something that is not easy to come by. Of coarse that something awesome will rarely be squaring of against horde.

Things i dont like about your videos:
Alliance pov
facing below average players
doing mediocre level game play
farming
music( personally iam very picky so you can not gaf)
unnecessary content

Things i would like to see in your vids:
Horde pov
2-5 man where you cc and focus targets down in an orchestrated highly experimented manner
impossible stunts
fc all over the place for shits and giggles
narrating what you are doing or placing some graphics that highlight things like shadowstep magic with flag/kicks on healers/crits/chain cc
finishing a bg where all the dmg done is less than 2k but all the dmg went on the efc
sapping healers and speeeding up the camera (maybe with a timer that shows total time the healer was put under sap)
etc etc.
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i dont quite understand.
this is lvl 20 pvp. Its bursty. Its either you kill or you die. If i die, i wont put that in a video because its probably 5v1 against me. If i alone kill others, i will put that in a video because its really hard to get a good 1v1, 1v2, 1v3 etc. In premade, its basically impossible to get a good 1v1 because your premade mates will help you. you should know how it feels like to be in a premade. why would i want to put premade video? premade is easy boring if the other side sucks and most of the time they do. You obviously know that most people are below average. How do you expect me to face good people when most people suck. 2-5 man where i cc and focus target......... so thats hard to do to you? Thats easier than pug because that 2-5 people listens to you and you listen to them. you are contradicting yourself man.

but i dont know watch this one at 2:45. its 3 man owning 6 -7 people. Is that waht you meant by 2-5 man CC etc?
[F2P WoW] Illidogue - lvl 20 Rogue PvP 1 part 11 - YouTube
 
DubbsBegins said:
i dont quite understand.
this is lvl 20 pvp. Its bursty. Its either you kill or you die. If i die, i wont put that in a video because its probably 5v1 against me. If i alone kill others, i will put that in a video because its really hard to get a good 1v1, 1v2, 1v3 etc. In premade, its basically impossible to get a good 1v1 because your premade mates will help you. you should know how it feels like to be in a premade. why would i want to put premade video? premade is easy boring if the other side sucks and most of the time they do. You obviously know that most people are below average. How do you expect me to face good people when most people suck. 2-5 man where i cc and focus target......... so thats hard to do to you? Thats easier than pug because that 2-5 people listens to you and you listen to them. you are contradicting yourself man.

but i dont know watch this one at 2:45. its 3 man owning 6 -7 people. Is that waht you meant by 2-5 man CC etc?
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dunno what level the two p2p rogues are at. Not quite the idea I had in mind. I was thinking more of a flag return where you face off 5v5 or 3v5 match ( your side been at a disadvantage) with no 24s. And also doing it in a really fast manner 2-3 secs and leave the scene. When I mean organized i mean really organized where it will be required to time every cd to dismantle the other team completely. When I mean 5 man I refer to fighting a blockade of 3-4 24s defending the efc.

I dont think managing more than 5 cc in perfect sequence is easy even with in a premade. Heck not every AP horde premade goes off in perfection, I've seen them go way wrong. Look at arenas when timing cd is important. Not easy compared to just dps and hoping something dies. Do you think its easy replicating cc from someone like veinte/wizkids.

Mediocre is not fun to watch, watching a high performing squad blowing targets in 1 second time and leaving enemies locked for entire duration of fights is something worth watching. Again all this will most likely not come in an Alliance pov since you will face no challenge. Just trying to point out how you can show some badass hardcore stuff.

DubbsBegins said:
why would i want to put premade video? premade is easy boring if the other side sucks and most of the time they do.
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when alliance of coarse. Horde you have better chances facing off a decent team or placing yourself at a disadvantage. Dont look at things for what they are look at them for what they can be you will only miss a chance of something awesome. Look at the suggestions with an open mind.



On other news, something that i would like on your videos is showing nameplates and showing enemy colors on nameplates and also show class color on raid bars. Maybe an addon that shows what is going on like make it easy for the audience to notice when you kick a cast or when a teammates cc some other person.

I'm not trying to poke fun of you or offend you in anyway. Just trying to give out some suggestion of some cool things you could do.

ps. teamwork stuff looks cooler.
 
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Omgwtfsap said:
dunno what level the two p2p rogues are at. Not quite the idea I had in mind. I was thinking more of a flag return where you face off 5v5 or 3v5 match ( your side been at a disadvantage) with no 24s. And also doing it in a really fast manner 2-3 secs and leave the scene. When I mean organized i mean really organized where it will be required to time every cd to dismantle the other team completely. When I mean 5 man I refer to fighting a blockade of 3-4 24s defending the efc.

I dont think managing more than 5 cc in perfect sequence is easy even with in a premade. Heck not every AP horde premade goes off in perfection, I've seen them go way wrong. Look at arenas when timing cd is important. Not easy compared to just dps and hoping something dies. Do you think its easy replicating cc from someone like veinte/wizkids.

Mediocre is not fun to watch, watching a high performing squad blowing targets in 1 second time and leaving enemies locked for entire duration of fights is something worth watching. Again all this will most likely not come in an Alliance pov since you will face no challenge. Just trying to point out how you can show some badass hardcore stuff.


when alliance of coarse. Horde you have better chances facing off a decent team or placing yourself at a disadvantage. Dont look at things for what they are look at them for what they can be you will only miss a chance of something awesome. Look at the suggestions with an open mind.



On other news, something that i would like on your videos is showing nameplates and showing enemy colors on nameplates and also show class color on raid bars. Maybe an addon that shows what is going on like make it easy for the audience to notice when you kick a cast or when a teammates cc some other person.

I'm not trying to poke fun of you or offend you in anyway. Just trying to give out some suggestion of some cool things you could do.

ps. teamwork stuff looks cooler.
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haha well you dont seem to understand me either. I know how its like to be a horde because i play horde as well you know. And honestly, i did not see that much of a difference. People are overreacting to the eye patch. I know i makes a difference but that doesnt change the game. I played in premade alot. I have footages to prove if you dont believe me. None of them were challenging. facing lvl 24 premade is not a challenge either because you die anyway. Dying takes no skill you know? If you say premades are challenging, that more ridiculous. arena is challenging not premade against noob allys or horde in that matter. I would say just dont watch my vid :)
and make your own since you are confident.
 
1. Even if you contributed a lot to this community, you are not more important than others. (you perhaps might be but if you think that way, that is a bad mindset to be a community leader)

Completely agree with this I have seen alot of this on AP.

4. I dont think this is much of a problem anymore but if you are a community leader, do not think about your friends when doing things like locking threads etc. Treat everyone including the newcomers as the same way as you would treat your friends. When i was new to TI, i did noticed these things from some mods. I wont mention names.

Totally agree with this , some of the originals need to give the newcomers a chance.

10. Dont expect any rewards but big fat letters of thank you after helping our community become better. If hou want more than just a thank you, just dont help. We dont need you.

You don't know how much of this I see lol.

11. You dont become anyone special after helping out. You are just a normal person who helped out. Nothing more nothing less.

The members of this community shouldnt help others to get some sort of "special title" , they should do it because they are helping each other like a community should.
 
DubbsBegins said:
haha well you dont seem to understand me either. I know how its like to be a horde because i play horde as well you know. And honestly, i did not see that much of a difference. People are overreacting to the eye patch. I know i makes a difference but that doesnt change the game. I played in premade alot. I have footages to prove if you dont believe me. None of them were challenging. facing lvl 24 premade is not a challenge either because you die anyway. Dying takes no skill you know? If you say premades are challenging, that more ridiculous. arena is challenging not premade against noob allys or horde in that matter. I would say just dont watch my vid :)
and make your own since you are confident.
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if my comp can handle it maybe. Making videos hmm perhaps.
 
Omgwtfsap said:
if my comp can handle it maybe. Making videos hmm perhaps.
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please do make it. You will be surprised how many negative comments you will receive :) you have no idea.
And ill be the first to judge every single clips you put in.
ill be waiting for it :)
 
DubbsBegins said:
I have realized some "problems" in this community.
I think this is really important to discuss. I wont menton any names.
I am not targeting anyone.
Do not think about who is saying this to you.
Dont think about me when reading this

1. Even if you contributed a lot to this community, you are not more important than others. (you perhaps might be but if you think that way, that is a bad mindset to be a community leader)

2. Respect people who contributed a lot to this community. Dont worship or troll them but respect them because they did more things than you did.

3. Even if you did a lot to this community, this is still a community. You yourself is not a community. You don't own this community. You do not have rights to do whatever you want with this community. We are a community. We own and have rights to do whatever we want to do as a community. Respect others who are in our community.

4. I dont think this is much of a problem anymore but if you are a community leader, do not think about your friends when doing things like locking threads etc. Treat everyone including the newcomers as the same way as you would treat your friends. When i was new to TI, i did noticed these things from some mods. I wont mention names.

5. Don't form a "group" in this community. The last thing we want to do is separate ourselves from this already small community. What i mean is just because you are close to certain people, don't treat people who aren't close to you like outcasts and unfriendly. It is easy and normal to be more friendly to certain people but that doesn't mean everyone else is less than a normal person.

6. Just because you have been here longer than others, it doesn't mean you can disrespect newcomers.

7. Understand that everyone quits and new people come in and out everyday. Not everyone will know everyone who played in the earlier stage of F2P WoW history. It is normal to not know about people who quit as a newcomer.

8. Knowing people who quit is not a pride or license to be in this community.

9. Newcomers, respect people who have been here longer. You have much to learn from them.

10. Dont expect any rewards but big fat letters of thank you after helping our community become better. If hou want more than just a thank you, just dont help. We dont need you.

11. You dont become anyone special after helping out. You are just a normal person who helped out. Nothing more nothing less.
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1. OH WELL SEE BOUT DIS ONE
2. You mean to tell me I can't worship deadvulcano the frawshtey gawd?
3. Of course not. But where does that put you if you're gawd?
4. oh he means admins
5. A-Team #1 madcuzbad
6. No one is disrespecting anyone, but an idiot is still an idiot no matter how long you're here. Be an idiot, and you'll be treated as such.
7. wut? who cares?
8. ^
9. I didnt
10. Couldnt think of anything snappy for this one
11. Yeah you do.

i forget who u were. Were you the druid who geared as a F2P p2p but your race was worgen and I gave you so much crap for that until you faction changed(or maybe u made a new toon idk)?

Anyways, this isn't worthy of an admins time as far as locking goes. Truthfully, this thread wasn't needed.

If you wanted to bring something up, bring up the people who feel like they can Ban whoever they want if they have mod/owner in the channel.


Unless someone is purposely trolling the AP F2P Community Channel or Spamming, then you can't ban them for just not liking them. If they aren't doing any harm, then put them on ignore; especially if they don't even know they are doing something wrong. I've had to unban probably more than 10 people so far since I've been back because of idiots who think they can ban whoever they want; I don't like reading PMs on TI about people being banned for no reason.
 
Mrcer said:
1. OH WELL SEE BOUT DIS ONE
2. You mean to tell me I can't worship deadvulcano the frawshtey gawd?
3. Of course not. But where does that put you if you're gawd?
4. oh he means admins
5. A-Team #1 madcuzbad
6. No one is disrespecting anyone, but an idiot is still an idiot no matter how long you're here. Be an idiot, and you'll be treated as such.
7. wut? who cares?
8. ^
9. I didnt
10. Couldnt think of anything snappy for this one
11. Yeah you do.

i forget who u were. Were you the druid who geared as a F2P p2p but your race was worgen and I gave you so much crap for that until you faction changed(or maybe u made a new toon idk)?

Anyways, this isn't worthy of an admins time as far as locking goes. Truthfully, this thread wasn't needed.

If you wanted to bring something up, bring up the people who feel like they can Ban whoever they want if they have mod/owner in the channel.


Unless someone is purposely trolling the AP F2P Community Channel or Spamming, then you can't ban them for just not liking them. If they aren't doing any harm, then put them on ignore; especially if they don't even know they are doing something wrong. I've had to unban probably more than 10 people so far since I've been back because of idiots who think they can ban whoever they want; I don't like reading PMs on TI about people being banned for no reason.
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no offend intended but seems like your buddies will come and like your comment because you are very funny :)
You took this as if i was targeting you and saying this to you only. You took it offensively. I wasnt trying to do that.
 
Dubbs this thread is super emo.

Every thing is fine on AP, just dont allow yourself to be engaged in drama. If somebody annoys me guess what...ignored.
 
KainUFC said:
Dubbs this thread is super emo.

Every thing is fine on AP, just dont allow yourself to be engaged in drama. If somebody annoys me guess what...ignored.
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agree, just leave things alone pretend harsh comments are jokes and where not literally meant. Respond with a "lol". Trying to argue is pointless.
 
DubbsBegins said:
PM me about it :)



ohh so lvl 39 arena is same as F2P lvl 20 bgs now?
stop trolling please i understand that you dont like my videos and im not begging you to watch it am i? unless you have specific comments to make my videos better, dont troll.



I understand. Although i didnt make post on every single videos i make.. (lol that would actually be ridiculous.) I totally forgot about the videos thread.


nah, i wasnt targeting anyone. Probably because i didnt see your threads that you said you made...
and about the thread thats locked (@ dubbs no hate) You do know that i have a horde toon right? horde video is coming real soon :)
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Dubbs, as you know, I am not very good at being nice, so when you read this, realise im trying to be nice.


You overreact to EVERYTHING, Druiddroid has an awesome point, and you became defensive after the fact. Is 39 PvP the same as F2P PvP? No, but the QUALITY of the content your posting should be.
 
i can understand what you guys mean about this community being fine. But thats probably because you guys have been here for long. You guys wont notice every newcomers. I want to stop here i dont want to mention names.

Btw, Kahr I didnt really notice any kind of mean actions from you. (you probably did but it was probably reasonable) I dont think i overreacted to anything. This post isnt a respond to anything. This post is the truth and you know it makes sense and all. And Druiddroid never posted a constructive criticism to my videos thats why hes a troll from my perspective. He did admit he is a troll so. Quality of content should be the same as lvl 39 arena videos? Oh so lvl 39s have to face lvl 42 players in bgs? No, when there is someone with higher lvl than you in a same bg, you are already at disadvantage and you will most likely get killed by them. And then you get no footage. But lvl 39 is the max lvl of 35- 39 bracket and most twinks in that brackets will be lvl 39. There are much more chance of them getting better footage than F2P lvl 20s in lvl 20- 24 bracket. F2P lvl 20 pvp footage isnt very easy to get with all the lvl 24s and hunters. lol and dont you dare say arena videeos will be similar to bg videos. In arena, both side is probably skilled. In bgs, especially in this bracket, the opponents will be mostly all noobs. How do you expect me to face good opponents in bgs you know?
 
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DubbsBegins said:
i can understand what you guys mean about this community being fine. But thats probably because you guys have been here for long. I want to stop here i dont want to mention names.

Btw, Kahr I didnt really notice any kind of mean actions from you. (you probably did but it was probably reasonable) I dont think i overreacted to anything. This post isnt a respond to anything. This post is the truth and you know it makes sense and all. And Druiddroid never posted a constructive criticism to my videos thats why hes a troll from my perspective. He did admit he is a troll so. Quality of content should be the same as lvl 39 arena videos? Oh so lvl 39s have to face lvl 42 players in bgs? No, when there is someone with higher lvl than you in a same bg, you are already at disadvantage and you will most likely get killed by them. And then you get no footage. But lvl 39 is the max lvl of 35- 39 bracket and most twinks in that brackets will be lvl 39. There are much more chance of them getting better footage than F2P lvl 20s in lvl 20- 24 bracket. F2P lvl 20 pvp footage isnt very easy to get with all the lvl 24s and hunters. lol and dont you dare say arena videeos will be similar to bg videos. In arena, both side is probably skilled. In bgs, especially in this bracket, the opponents will be mostly all noobs. How do you expect me to face good opponents in bgs you know?
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no, 39s dont have to face anything higher, but by quality i mean quality in your clips. most of your videos are just showing the basics of what the class you're playing can actually do. putting in clips where you completely outplay a skilled opponent are fun to watch(do not get this confused with critting him for half hp and him dead)

for instance, as a feral druid (tauren) im 1v1 up against a hunter, who completely outclasses me in everyway. use what blizzard has given you to make the best decisions to bring him down(i.e instant trinket scatter, warstomp his disengage, then jump powershift his concussive shot) little things like that is what makes a good pvp video, not just killing a bunch of people with music in the background.
 
Kahr said:
no, 39s dont have to face anything higher, but by quality i mean quality in your clips. most of your videos are just showing the basics of what the class you're playing can actually do. putting in clips where you completely outplay a skilled opponent are fun to watch(do not get this confused with critting him for half hp and him dead)

for instance, as a feral druid (tauren) im 1v1 up against a hunter, who completely outclasses me in everyway. use what blizzard has given you to make the best decisions to bring him down(i.e instant trinket scatter, warstomp his disengage, then jump powershift his concussive shot) little things like that is what makes a good pvp video, not just killing a bunch of people with music in the background.
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i know what you are saying. .. but you dont seem to understand either. i honestly outplay most people in this bracket because most people are bad.... can you understand that? you should know that. You are talking like i dont or cant instant trinket scatter shot or etc. I do and i can. You do know that you cant be saying that without even watching my videos right? You probably saw my old video long time ago and thinking that i am still the same or what. can you give me a favor and check out some of my videos and then tell me about it?
 
You have a problem with using verbs as nouns. Respond instead of response, offend instead of offence, etc.
 
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