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Holinka recently confirmed that the stat templates and all the other stuff; no enchants, no set bonuses etc would work in wpvp and duels soon. So rip wpvp for 10's
 
Snack said:
Holinka recently confirmed that the stat templates and all the other stuff; no enchants, no set bonuses etc would work in wpvp and duels soon. So rip wpvp for 10's
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No, he specifically said they should work that way in response to a question about whether we'll see Duels working with the same template System. He never once said that mechanic will make it into the Game. Blizzard has the dance Studio ON THE FUCKING RETAIL BOX for WotLK and that isn't in the game to this day. It's not relative until it actually happens, but keep doing your level best to beat down 10's if that's what makes you sleep better at night.

Also even if the Stat Templates DO end up carrying over to Duels, Blizz doesn't have the tech currently in place to make Duels scale in Character Level. That means those OP Secondary Stat 10's will still be OP in Duels and right now on Live 10's can beat 19's in Duels.
 
DeLindsay said:
Just in case you forgot how to read.
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Just because it's not live it doesn't mean the "tech" isn't in place. Ground mounts don't have the ability to fly, but the "tech" is obviously in place to give them that ability.

Regardless, I interpreted what you said as blizz doesn't have the technology to scale duels as you worded it awkwardly imo. Apologies if that isn't the case.
 
Dagamela said:
Just because it's not live it doesn't mean the "tech" isn't in place. Ground mounts don't have the ability to fly, but the "tech" is obviously in place to give them that ability.

Regardless, I interpreted what you said as blizz doesn't have the technology to scale duels as you worded it awkwardly imo. Apologies if that isn't the case.
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Fair enough.
 
DeLindsay said:
No, he specifically said they should work that way in response to a question about whether we'll see Duels working with the same template System. He never once said that mechanic will make it into the Game. Blizzard has the dance Studio ON THE ducking RETAIL BOX for WotLK and that isn't in the game to this day. It's not relative until it actually happens, but keep doing your level best to beat down 10's if that's what makes you sleep better at night.

Also even if the Stat Templates DO end up carrying over to Duels, Blizz doesn't have the tech currently in place to make Duels scale in Character Level. That means those OP Secondary Stat 10's will still be OP in Duels and right now on Live 10's can beat 19's in Duels.
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Honestly seems like you're the one bashing right now, I merely stated what I heard Holinka confirm in a live Q&A last week... It's true I find it hard to think of a way to scale levels appropriately in wpvp and duels, but when enchants are removed from wpvp 10's will, unfortunately for you, lose some of that insane stat scaling.
 
Snack said:
Honestly seems like you're the one bashing right now, I merely stated what I heard Holinka confirm in a live Q&A last week... It's true I find it hard to think of a way to scale levels appropriately in wpvp and duels, but when enchants are removed from wpvp 10's will, unfortunately for you, lose some of that insane stat scaling.
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Except he didn't confirm anything, he just stated that's how it SHOULD work. Also, even if Enchants get disabled in WPvP, 10's will still have superior Secondary Stat scaling against 19's unless there is indeed a way to scale a 10 to 19 while in a Duel. Since 10's had zero problem defeating 19's in iPvP from 7.0 until yesterday (since we weren't scaled) I see nothing changing in Duels with Enchants gone too.

Now if Blizz makes it so that Duels are exactly the same as iPvP then yes, certain 10's against certain 19's would lose, but even then there are plenty of 10's right now after the Scaling beating 19's in iPvP regularly. Missing out on Sap/Kick/Disengage/etc is in no way "game changing" to WPvP and Duels, and only to a minor extent iPvP, and only then when you have 2 properly experienced Teams fighting each other, like the TC. Currently each BG is filled with about 75-95% Levelers that quite frankly are terribad at PvP. One Twink on one Team with zero Twinks on the other Team is resulting right now in a near guaranteed win for the Team with a Twink on it. It's even better when there's 2-3 Twinks on one side versus none on the other; actually it's almost a slaughter at that point.

Fact is, 10's (when scaled to 19 and Gear/Enchants removed from the equation) are nearly identical to 19's, and that's the point of removing gear as a factor and scaling Characters to x9 of each Bracket. It's about as equal a playing field as we're going to get from Blizz as they've proven to be horrible at PvP 'Balance' over the past 11 years.
 
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Except he didn't confirm anything, he just stated that's how it SHOULD work. Also, even if Enchants get disabled in WPvP, 10's will still have superior Secondary Stat scaling against 19's unless there is indeed a way to scale a 10 to 19 while in a Duel. Since 10's had zero problem defeating 19's in iPvP from 7.0 until yesterday (since we weren't scaled) I see nothing changing in Duels with Enchants gone too.

Now if Blizz makes it so that Duels are exactly the same as iPvP then yes, certain 10's against certain 19's would lose, but even then there are plenty of 10's right now after the Scaling beating 19's in iPvP regularly. Missing out on Sap/Kick/Disengage/etc is in no way "game changing" to WPvP and Duels, and only to a minor extent iPvP, and only then when you have 2 properly experienced Teams fighting each other, like the TC. Currently each BG is filled with about 75-95% Levelers that quite frankly are terribad at PvP. One Twink on one Team with zero Twinks on the other Team is resulting right now in a near guaranteed win for the Team with a Twink on it. It's even better when there's 2-3 Twinks on one side versus none on the other; actually it's almost a slaughter at that point.

Fact is, 10's (when scaled to 19 and Gear/Enchants removed from the equation) are nearly identical to 19's, and that's the point of removing gear as a factor and scaling Characters to x9 of each Bracket. It's about as equal a playing field as we're going to get from Blizz as they've proven to be horrible at PvP 'Balance' over the past 11 years.
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If you don't think disengage and kick are gamebreaking abilities in a 1v1 idk what to say...

But ye Holinka said that it is intended for wpvp to be affected by the same rules as instanced PvP in the future. But I agree that because of lvl differences in wpvp it would be weird to scale everyone to x9
 
Snack said:
If you don't think disengage and kick are gamebreaking abilities in a 1v1 idk what to say...
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Disengage - Posthaste isn't a level 15 talent anymore so it isn't as game changing
Kick - Fakecasting

Sure, they help, but idk if I'd call them "game changing" given that there are decent ways to counter them.
 
Snack said:
If you don't think disengage and kick are gamebreaking abilities in a 1v1 idk what to say...
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Kick only matters against Casted Abilities, of which 10's don't have many. Disengage means nothing against Ranged 10's (and even 19's have issues if they are Melee against Ranged). Sap (in Duels) only matters once and if that Rogue can't alpha that 10 with his/her opener then Sap is also moot. The same can be said with Druid's Stun from Stealth. Fear is another that means almost nothing against Ranged and only helps against Melee to get them to back off so you can Bandage or w/e. But, since we all have the Trinket Ability now, none of those Abilities are "Game changers" since all of them can be countered. There's also the fact that every single 10 can have a stun as well if they chose Eng.
 
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