Making a 39 Warrior Twink
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Magnusopus
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In short
fury for lols
arms/prot for srs bsns
also this site has more trolls than foarbee.gov and i dont even
fury for lols
arms/prot for srs bsns
also this site has more trolls than foarbee.gov and i dont even
ZhadowZ
OG
Well, I Saw This:
Nightblade- 43.4 dps
Fiery War Axe- 40.3 dps
Pod- 38.9 dps
Bloodied Arcanite Reaper- 38.0 dps
Ardents are 32.9. So There A Bit To Fast Compared To A PoD
48-90 Damage. And I Have Two Of Them Welded....
With Duel Crusader, I Have Twice The Chance Of It Popping. So Theres 100 Str.
200 Armor Between Them, Which Is About 6 AP Using That Talent.
Plus, I Can Drop The 5 Into Mace Spec.
And Do 5 In The Crit Strike Talent On Fury. Making My Bleed Effects Pop Even More.
Your Talking About Slow 2h Hitting Hard One Time!
Why Not 2x 1h Hitting half as weak twice in the same time?
Just ideas. Im new to twinking Melee based toons. Just throwing out ideas.
Dont need hate. And im sure there has been some other people with the same questions.
Nightblade- 43.4 dps
Fiery War Axe- 40.3 dps
Pod- 38.9 dps
Bloodied Arcanite Reaper- 38.0 dps
Ardents are 32.9. So There A Bit To Fast Compared To A PoD
48-90 Damage. And I Have Two Of Them Welded....
With Duel Crusader, I Have Twice The Chance Of It Popping. So Theres 100 Str.
200 Armor Between Them, Which Is About 6 AP Using That Talent.
Plus, I Can Drop The 5 Into Mace Spec.
And Do 5 In The Crit Strike Talent On Fury. Making My Bleed Effects Pop Even More.
Your Talking About Slow 2h Hitting Hard One Time!
Why Not 2x 1h Hitting half as weak twice in the same time?
Just ideas. Im new to twinking Melee based toons. Just throwing out ideas.
Dont need hate. And im sure there has been some other people with the same questions.
Bansil
OG
ZhadowZ said:
midriff muscle ache.
pls start reading some melee threads to gather knowledge.
plx plx plx visit the wow wiki and arenajunkies + read as many threads as possible in this forum.
espacially visit the wiki pages for warrior abilities, normalization and hit.
btw, there is some really good information in here and you have the talent to pick one of the ... no words.
deebombish
OG
In pvp you have to burst down an opponent so here is basically fury vs 2h in a nutshell:
Lets say 2h hits for 300
Dual Wield hits 2 times for 150 each (this is exaggerated because off hand hits for much less)
say you have 20% crit for each person
Each person has the same DPS but 2h warrior has much more Burst dmg and more importantly more control over burst.
Most burst dual wield can give out (math is rough)
- (all hits are crits)
2 white hits + whirlwind + overpower = 2*(150+150+150+150+150) = 1500
Probability of this happening (assuming dw have 100% to hit each, which in reality is way off its much lower) : (.2)^5= .00032 or .032%
Burst using 2h:
- 1 white hit + whirlwind + overpower = 2*(300+300+300)= 1800
Probability of this happening : (.2)^2*.7= .028 or 2.8%
Although this is a very rough, example you can still see 2h has more burst potential AND a MUCH higher probability/control over the burst
For fury to apply burst it must crit with a bunch of hits in a row, which is not probable, not even mentioning off hand decreases white hit % and doesnt hit as hard as in the example i drew up. Also fury takes a while to get rolling, you need time to get flurry, enrage, crusader to proc, whereas Arms can apply the burst fairly easily.
Why is burst important in PVP?
If you have a healer healing your DPS target, especially mail you will not have enough burst to take down your target, the healer will just heal through it
The key in dropping PVP targets for a warrior is to save up your bursty attacks then drop them on your target at the same time, this neutralizes the abilities of HoTs, and puts much more pressure on the healer.
The advantage of 2h arms spec is the ability to stack all your burst dmg in a 1-3 second time frame to apply a lot of pressure on your opponents.
The control for the burst comes from the overpower + taste for blood talents which allow you to activate overpower almost at will.
As a 39 warrior you will never have enough dps to slowly wither down your opponents, you need to rely on burst. So a marginal increase in dps will not overide the extra burst you get from a slow 2h weapon. Also your special attacks are modified by the weapon dmg by your weapon, so slower weapon = harder hits = harder speical attacks (whirlwind, overpower)
Lets say 2h hits for 300
Dual Wield hits 2 times for 150 each (this is exaggerated because off hand hits for much less)
say you have 20% crit for each person
Each person has the same DPS but 2h warrior has much more Burst dmg and more importantly more control over burst.
Most burst dual wield can give out (math is rough)
- (all hits are crits)
2 white hits + whirlwind + overpower = 2*(150+150+150+150+150) = 1500
Probability of this happening (assuming dw have 100% to hit each, which in reality is way off its much lower) : (.2)^5= .00032 or .032%
Burst using 2h:
- 1 white hit + whirlwind + overpower = 2*(300+300+300)= 1800
Probability of this happening : (.2)^2*.7= .028 or 2.8%
Although this is a very rough, example you can still see 2h has more burst potential AND a MUCH higher probability/control over the burst
For fury to apply burst it must crit with a bunch of hits in a row, which is not probable, not even mentioning off hand decreases white hit % and doesnt hit as hard as in the example i drew up. Also fury takes a while to get rolling, you need time to get flurry, enrage, crusader to proc, whereas Arms can apply the burst fairly easily.
Why is burst important in PVP?
If you have a healer healing your DPS target, especially mail you will not have enough burst to take down your target, the healer will just heal through it
The key in dropping PVP targets for a warrior is to save up your bursty attacks then drop them on your target at the same time, this neutralizes the abilities of HoTs, and puts much more pressure on the healer.
The advantage of 2h arms spec is the ability to stack all your burst dmg in a 1-3 second time frame to apply a lot of pressure on your opponents.
The control for the burst comes from the overpower + taste for blood talents which allow you to activate overpower almost at will.
As a 39 warrior you will never have enough dps to slowly wither down your opponents, you need to rely on burst. So a marginal increase in dps will not overide the extra burst you get from a slow 2h weapon. Also your special attacks are modified by the weapon dmg by your weapon, so slower weapon = harder hits = harder speical attacks (whirlwind, overpower)
Magnusopus
OG
The above poster seems to be going somewhere.
Magrim
OG
Magnusopus said:
Really? I just saw a wall of text.
And to Pers, it's funny to troll but not the first response on a newb asking for questions dude. Taking into account that guy isn't listening to anything we say I'll have to say GJ
Zshadow, please please roll Horde, alleys have enough newbs that do not know what they are doing.
Also btw. Use this for a 2h Staff of Jordan 40.4 dps wowzors