Making a 19 mage

I am going to go against the grain here and say go Fire, but only if you are a smoker.



Nothing says awesomeness like lighting a cigarette while you are casting Pyroblast.
 
Wow, Im getting a lot of responses! Thanks for the Advice Mocha once again. Oh and Rexxartink, I would say someone isnt a mage or is a rogue without actually being sure that he is or is not. I believe Mocha is a awesome mage. For one, everything he has said makes perfect sense to me and secondly, someone confirmed he has played a frost mage.
 
allahkazam said:
the funnest thing about frost mage is charging up a frostbolt and then pet novaing someone before the frostbolt lands so that your target can't trinket the nova to avoid the frostbolt while frozen wtfboom crit to the face.



i miss playing my mage
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Anyone who 1/2 decent with a high level Mage already knows how to do this (before talents allowed 19 s to have water ele)
 
frost does more controlled burst than arcane. this is theorycraftable, not up for debate. i will crunch the numbers if you need proof. Arcane do NOT have the burst of a hunter, however we do have imp. CS which makes it feel like alot of heavy damage comming down on your head at once.

as for whoever asked for mage gear, you can check my Armory (its in the armory thread), and if you're EU, you can hit me up ingame. (my gear is leaning towards arcane atm, as frost you will want more crit/haste.)

on a related note, "XXX spec is more fun than XXX" is hardly a relevant defense in ANY cases, since enjoying a class comes down to what you like. if you you're sort of masochistic, resto shamans can be fun as hell i guess..
 
!Juicay! said:
Wow, Im getting a lot of responses! Thanks for the Advice Mocha once again. Oh and Rexxartink, I would say someone isnt a mage or is a rogue without actually being sure that he is or is not. I believe Mocha is a awesome mage. For one, everything he has said makes perfect sense to me and secondly, someone confirmed he has played a frost mage.
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Fair enough, I'm pretty sure that I've faced off against a rogue named mocha which is why I brought that up. Still doesn't change why I think arcane is best all around.
 
Møçhå said:
Don't listen to the rogue? Or listen to the mage who has played frost all the way through from bc with Domhring and Judgejudy, with Private Parts etc, to the beginning of cata? 1.2 second frost bolts are extremely important, especially if used with a mouseover macro for multiple targets. Same with sheep. Coc snare+freeze is a game changer in addition to gaining pet freeze. Your nova is a great 3rd freeze. Or go class cannon, arcane barrage with 1 freeze which apparently has the same tools as going frost. So I've been told.



If you roll pugs, it's nearly impossible to play a frost mage on the side these days, especially horde, but you will be the better mage come premade time because you have learned to survive on your own. Normally frost is extremely dependent on the support of healer(s) several dps and a tank to draw away attention on defense. In a horde pug, expect to have 1 "tank" and 1 healer on D. This makes playing a frostmage unbelievably frustrating.



As far as rogue vs arcane; it is easier to kill an arcane mage than a frost mage. Why? They are based on sp, not stam, they have 1 freeze, slower casting on frostbolt. They will basically use 1 attack, arcane barrage. Yes their blink is pretty op, but that's what you save shadowstep for.



Tips on beating a rogue as frost:

As a frost mage if you get sapped and a rogue gets an opener on you, you don't stand much of a chance unless you pet freeze him/trinket/blink etc followed by a freeze, then he will use shadowstep, that's when your nova comes in handy since he will be behind you, through a series of frostbolts + fire blast he will possibly bust sprint, that is when CoC is #1 because he will be approaching you from the front.. and quickly at that.. + your freeze off CD, mixed with more frostbolts+blasts+missiles he should be pretty dead... A rogue will crutch on shadowstep and sprint to beat a mage who is efficient in CC.



The real point being made here: Frost mages have more CC and more stam, therefore they are harder to beat as a rogue.



Also, sadly CC doesn't look very good on battleground scoreboards =/ and that's what the majority of "twinks" are concerned about today.
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Ok so just to clarify, you do currently play your mage correct? You say up to the beginning of cata, which for me is unclear whether you play now or not. Either way, I'm not here to get into a pointless argument about how long you have played. I will acknowledge that assuming you were a rogue was my mistake and I apologize.



Essentially the same tools, yep. CoC and frost nova with less specialization plus sheep and counterspell. Only missing one is the pet snare. But then again, if you can't make the arcane's toolbox work, then maybe all that time you say you've played has been wasted.



You say yourself that frost is nearly impossible to play in pugs. FACT: aside from the efforts of a very limited number of guilds trying to get premades going, this bracket is all about the PUG. Say it isn't so all you want but PUG's and not premades are reality for most of the players in this bracket.



If his idea of mage vs rogue is the consensus of the board then that's fine. I have an undergeared mage in a supposedly inferior spec that I think does fine against rogues. My question: am I just skilled since I'm playing an inferior spec... or am I just using the superior spec?



To clarify most of the 1v1 situations I find myself in against rogues are enroute to the EFC through mid. If you think that its bad to defend yourself if you get attacked then you are in need of some self reflection.
 
Rexxartink said:
I'm not here to get into a pointless argument



Essentially the same tools, yep. CoC and frost nova with less specialization plus sheep and counterspell. Only missing one is the pet snare. But then again, if you can't make the arcane's toolbox work, then maybe all that time you say you've played has been wasted.
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Frost Tools for Movement Impairment:

CoC = freeze + snare

Pet = freeze

Nova = freeze

Fast Frostbolts = more snares, more targets, less time



Arcane Tools for Movement Impairment:

CoC = snare

Nova = freeze
 
Rexxartink, you just got served by Mocha .... Lol!



xD
 
both specs can totally faceroll on both O and D, just give both a try and see which you like



lol @ there being spec discussions when it's pretty much free to hit that respec button
 
Møçhå said:
Frost Tools for Movement Impairment:

CoC = freeze + snare

Pet = freeze

Nova = freeze

Fast Frostbolts = more snares, more targets, less time



Arcane Tools for Movement Impairment:

CoC = snare

Nova = freeze
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In your world sheep doesn't count as movement impairment? Lol ok. I said it before but maybe I was being a little too indirect, if you can't make the arcane toolbox work, then you aren't that good.



!Juicay! said:
Rexxartink, you just got served by Mocha .... Lol!



xD
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Have fun as frost. If you still have a keyboard after your first 5-10 matches, congrats!
 
Thanks Rexxar! P.S I wont take sarcastic attitudes like your and take into consideration anything of what you said, because clearly you get raped by mages ( I may be wrong) and want an easier time.



Peace!
 
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