Lvl 49 mage, need tips BFA

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Hey,

I have some questions regarding twinking a lvl 49 mage that I hope you guys can help me with.

- What is the best spec for big numbers? I see most 49's play arcane, is frost not viable in this bracket?

- What is the best stat to stack for each of the specs?

- And lastly, is the glowing brightwood staff good or is the princess weapon alot better?

Thanks alot for the help!
 
Arcane is definitely the strongest mage spec. It doesn't necessarily hit big numbers but arcane missile spam, like in many other brackets, is really strong. Fire seems to do decent, it has a really nice burst and if you get off a greater pyro, that's a big chunk of anyone's health.

For arcane, you want to get postmaster's set because it gives you a nice amount of haste while also giving you a decent amount of intellect through the set bonus, the more haste you have the more missiles your arcane missiles puts out, I believe. I think for fire you'd probably want to get crit just to put out as many pyroblasts as you can since it seems to be the biggest damaging ability of the spec.

Frost is not really seen in the bracket, and maybe it's for a reason, but you never know, you can always try it and see how it is.

You want to get the dagger from princess because the proc is decent and also you get more intellect from using a 1h+OH because of the OH enchant.
 
Arcane is definitely the most powerful, fire can be cool too but it is way harder to get those gpy casts off. As far as stats go Int>Vers>Crit with haste being a distant 4th. The amount of haste needed to affect missiles in any significant way is unobtainable and the benefit of vers is seen even at lower percentages. As far as gear goes Eye of Flame for your head, Blade of eternal darkness for your 1h weap and then the rest just high int high vers best you can find in each one. Power of the high chief trinket is still pretty sick even after the stat reduction a couple xpacs ago.
 
Hey,

I have some questions regarding twinking a lvl 49 mage that I hope you guys can help me with.

- What is the best spec for big numbers? I see most 49's play arcane, is frost not viable in this bracket?

- What is the best stat to stack for each of the specs?

- And lastly, is the glowing brightwood staff good or is the princess weapon alot better?

Thanks alot for the help!
Fire is the best spec

Haste > versa > crit

Take greater pyro and copy my talents on Eleanora

Fire does more dmg than arcane and is more versatile. Can still sheep and blink when locked on dps school.

With guaranteed crit opener, you can go
Greater pyro - fire ball - fire blast - combustion - pyro - fire blast - pyro
^kills anything without 2 healers on it.

Fire gets passive +15% crit so Eleanora is on ~21% crit with 30%passive haste. I still get a lot of pyros.
 
I enjoy fire the most by far, but I play it far differently than others in this thread have described. Arcane does the most damage, but it's awfully dull to just spam missiles, plus--as has been mentioned--you're very vulnerable to lockouts.

Here's my fire mage: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/velen/Vladrinor

Unbuffed, I have 415 SP and 41% crit. I have a set that gives me close to 600 SP when buffed, but I sacrifice nearly all the crit to get it. I'm awfully lethal with Combustion up in that gear, but in my experience, you really need a steady stream of instant pyros to do well. Without a decent crit rating, you aren't going to get many. I've found the gear in the above link to be an ideal mix, and 40% to be a good goal for your critical strike rating--much more than that, and you're sacrificing too much SP. I also don't run greater pyro, because my opener does more damage and has a 1 second cast time instead of a 4.5. It's a very mobile, high-damage, high-burst set up.

I run https://www.wowhead.com/spell=203275/tinder as my PvP talent. It gives a nice damage increase and gives you about a one-second cast on your fireball. When used in conjunction with firestarter (which I've found to be the best 15 talent at 49 for fire BY FAR), you will usually crit for about 950. Chain that into a 650 fire blast (which gives you a hot streak proc), and you've already done more damage than a greater pyro. Most people have about 4k health. 35% of that is 1400. In other words, you can stand still for four seconds to hit someone for 1400 with gpyro, or (with Tinder) you can do more damage in your opener with a one-second cast, plus have an instant-cast pyro ready to roll. If the instant pyro crits (usually also in the neighborhood of 900), you've done 60% of the average twink's HP in two globals.

I realize Shimmer is the popular choice for endgame arena, but I've found Blast Wave to be a better pick (at least for me) at 49. Why? It gives a knockback with enough oomph to knock people off at LM or in EotS, but more importantly, it gives you another interrupt. Counterspell, DB, and Blast Wave make you a nightmare for healers. It can also function as a nice, instant burst with decent damage that can help you finish off someone close to death who might otherwise get a heal when your other instant-cast abilities are on CD. Additionally, there's one form of CC that's more common (and more terrifying--especially for a clothie) than all others at this bracket: stuns. Blink gets you out of stuns; Shimmer does not. Blink really saves your bacon against Storm Bolt and HoJ. I would consider running shimmer only as Arcane.

I save combustion for key fights when I need to delete a high priority target. Ideally, you'll have both stacks of Fire Blast up when you pop it (part way into your fireball cast), so that you can get an insane chain of crits to quickly drop an FC or healer in a team fight.

As to your other questions, dagger/OH is best--not only do you get the proc from dagger, but you also have double enchants, which leads to higher total SP. Frost is OK, but I've found it just can't quite hang with arcane on sustained damage or fire for burst and control.

Good luck, and feel free to add me if you have further questions, would like to queue some games, or need help gearing.

Svarazic#1199
 
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With 30% haste your greater pyro is 3.4 secs. Every fireball is.1.7 secs and each one that doesn't crit makes your crit chance higher by 10%. Additionally, your fire blast CD is reduced to 9 secs, so you have more control over your crits. Finally, it is pointless to stack crit then take a talent that gives 100% crit. This is all just my opinion, obviously. And the super fast haste-stacked sheeps are super easy to get off, great for setting up greater pyro openers into guaranteed fire starter crit burst.
 
@tomxoqt Interesting--it definitely makes sense. I'm still not incredibly enticed by a playstyle that relies heavily on a 3.4 second cast for meaningful damage, especially since you've obviously sacrificed a lot of SP to get that much haste. But hey, that's one of the things that's so fun about twinking in the lower brackets--you can gear and play your character however you like, without having to resort to cookie-cutter gear or builds. Have you ever tried running https://www.wowhead.com/spell=203283/firestarter ? It seems like that could be kind of fun with the haste set-up you've described--if you were casting often enough, you'd have combustion up really often.
[doublepost=1542404985,1542404864][/doublepost]Also, since you're stacking haste, is there a reason you've chosen not to use the Postmaster set? It seems like you'd sacrifice a bit of vers in exchange for a solid bit of haste, not to mention the set bonus intellect.
 
@tomxoqt Interesting--it definitely makes sense. I'm still not incredibly enticed by a playstyle that relies heavily on a 3.4 second cast for meaningful damage, especially since you've obviously sacrificed a lot of SP to get that much haste. But hey, that's one of the things that's so fun about twinking in the lower brackets--you can gear and play your character however you like, without having to resort to cookie-cutter gear or builds. Have you ever tried running https://www.wowhead.com/spell=203283/firestarter ? It seems like that could be kind of fun with the haste set-up you've described--if you were casting often enough, you'd have combustion up really often.
[doublepost=1542404985,1542404864][/doublepost]Also, since you're stacking haste, is there a reason you've chosen not to use the Postmaster set? It seems like you'd sacrifice a bit of vers in exchange for a solid bit of haste, not to mention the set bonus intellect.
Shit I'm sorry, I thought fire starter was the t1 normal talent on the left hand side! Also, I checked and postmaster sacrifices a lot of secondaries. You can wear BoE chest with 12 haste 7 vers or postmaster chest with same int and 13 haste. By not using post master you lose out on 5%ms and 9 int set bonus but nothing else.

You don't really lose much int, check my 49 mage's armory. I don't rely on greater pyro per say, but it's kinda a luxury cast I use when I know it's a good time to get it off. Void elf passive keeps the casts smooth too.

Ps with my level of haste I can greater pyro then fire ball and the ball reaches the target before the pyro because its travel time is so slow. So you get a 2.6k opener followed by a pyro and whatever else. Or the normal ~1.4k+ insta pyro all for 1.7 sec fireball cast if you're skipping the greater pyro.
 
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Subscribe. Here is my newly dinged and 300 alch work in progress fire mage:

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/kiljaeden/Pyrowoman

advice most welcome (including on gearing, enchants, etc)
[doublepost=1542527339,1542519669][/doublepost]Anyone using the https://www.wowhead.com/item-set=81/the-postmaster set ? did it take long to grind, is it worth it ?

edit: it took many many many (too many!) runs but I got the full postmaster set, with 2 sets of boots so I can swap minor speed for stats and keep set bonus - and got the book of dead, which I have yet to see proc (!?)
 
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@tomxoqt super interested in the build u described and this may be a dumb question but im slightly confused about the burst rotation u listed. U said Gpyro fireball fireblast but wouldn’t that be sacrificing a free pyro? Or maybe gpyro does not count towards heating up?
 
@Animals GPyro travels really slowly, meaning that, with a haste build like that, you'd still get in a fireball and fireblast right around the time your gpyro hits the target, and still get the 100% crit chance from Firestarter. Hope that's helpful.
 
I'm experimenting (costly experiment but...) with a max crit build; I have 47% unbuffed at the moment
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/kiljaeden/pyrowoman

also when I switch to my "sta&speed" set: postmaster and boot and cloak enchant (and double blink talent) I have a base run speed of 117% + blinks - that's faster than most classes, makes my mage surprisingly good at flag running

ps: with the patch I saw my first book of dead proc (against the target dummy) - very tiny dps. the dragonling eng trinkets are still bugged though (not attacking)
 
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I'm experimenting (costly experiment but...) with a max crit build; I have 47% unbuffed at the moment
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/kiljaeden/pyrowoman

also when I switch to my "sta&speed" set: postmaster and boot and cloak enchant (and double blink talent) I have a base run speed of 117% + blinks - that's faster than most classes, makes my mage surprisingly good at flag running

ps: with the patch I saw my first book of dead proc (against the target dummy) - very tiny dps. the dragonling eng trinkets are still bugged though (not attacking)

Ive been wanting to try a crit build on frost to see how many brain freeze procs can happen. @dbsprite what do you think? would the procs offset the lower int?
 
I'm experimenting (costly experiment but...) with a max crit build; I have 47% unbuffed at the moment
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/kiljaeden/pyrowoman

also when I switch to my "sta&speed" set: postmaster and boot and cloak enchant (and double blink talent) I have a base run speed of 117% + blinks - that's faster than most classes, makes my mage surprisingly good at flag running

ps: with the patch I saw my first book of dead proc (against the target dummy) - very tiny dps. the dragonling eng trinkets are still bugged though (not attacking)

Book of the Dead isn't worth running for a number of reasons. First of all, it doesn't have BIS stats--you'll want https://www.wowhead.com/item=4696/lapidis-tankard-of-tidesippe as fire, and then there are multiple 23-intellect options such as https://www.wowhead.com/item=13030/basilisk-bone or a scaled green.

Second, as you've noted, the skeleton does minimal damage--they're basically ticklebots--but also keeps you in combat. Want to run behind the resto hut for a quick mage biscuit? Tough, your skeleton is off tickling someone, so you can't.

The only thing remotely good about it is that it's purple.

With regard to your crit setup, that's always fun... but IMO, you're giving up way too much SP to get to that level of crit. My fire mages sit right around 40% crit, but also have well over 400 SP. Having less than 300 means you're likely to join the skeletons as a tickler.

May I make a few gearing recommendations? First, look for a 1H weapon and OH instead of staff... that way, you can put +23 SP on your MH and +10 intellect on your OH, plus get better stats in the end. It can take a bit of farming, but the epic Mara dagger is totally worth it.

Second, you're going to want enchants on your gear--Glorious Stats on your chest, Superior SP to Bracer, and Major Healing or Major SP to gloves. You could also put precision on your gloves, which gives you 10 crit. Finally, you'll want Mark of the Satyr on your neck--that's a huge chunk of damage that can really help your burst, especially as fire. Those changes will help you be much more competitive.

Let me know if you need help with any gearing (like Mara runs) or if you just want to talk shop: Svarazic#1199
 
Arcane's consistent damage is untouchable against fire and especially frost. Personally I play both arcane and fire but I prefer fire as the crits and deleting a toon in a few globals with combustion is really fun.
I find Tinder the best talent as no good player in a BG environment is gonna let you get a GPY off easily, most of the time it is weaving in Tinder fireballs with scorch for a crit and fireblast for an instant pyro.
I find Firestarter and Tinder works well together. Shimmer and Incanter's flow are the other two best.
Single target - Tinder fireball (target above 90%) to fireblast to combustion to pyro to fireblast to pyro to scorch to pyro.
Multiple targets - try to get two fireballs against two targets above 90% for insta pyro then switch to healer, combustion pyro fireblast pyro fireblast pyro scorch pyro for 4 global approx 6k damage on a 25% vers damage reduction healer.
 

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