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Bankbeauty you are an idiot. This thread was not made about how lazy people are to get BOA.
If I read correctly you play on a private server
"Anyway, All you guys want is easy BiS and Gold Cap, you aren't willing to work and when you have to, you hate that and you don't want to do stuff you hate, so you don't do it and blame people that do it and want everything easier. Anyway."
Private server have to grind a whole lot dont they?
And you play 10's. You've had a whole lot of activity recently I'm sure.
NO ONE IS SAYING WE THINK ITS HARD TO GET BOA. We all have BOA its the fact that its OP and you need BOA to be BiS as a twink. We are all saying BOA should not be BiS it should just be nice for XP. Please reply with quotes of were anyone said they cant get BOA.
Bottom line is 19's are in a shitty state and there are major issues that need fixing. There are also minor issues that would be great if fixed.
Bottom Line Issues that need fixing.
1.) Nerf BOA stats
2.) Nerf All Damage
3.) Nerf Resistance + Resilience
4.) Nerf Certain Classes or Talents (Hunter, Pally, Mage, Etc.) + Buff Others (All Shamans, All Warriors, Resto Druids, Warlocks, Etc.)
5.) Fix minor issues such as pvp trinkets, glyphs, professions,
If I read correctly you play on a private server
"Anyway, All you guys want is easy BiS and Gold Cap, you aren't willing to work and when you have to, you hate that and you don't want to do stuff you hate, so you don't do it and blame people that do it and want everything easier. Anyway."
Private server have to grind a whole lot dont they?
And you play 10's. You've had a whole lot of activity recently I'm sure.
NO ONE IS SAYING WE THINK ITS HARD TO GET BOA. We all have BOA its the fact that its OP and you need BOA to be BiS as a twink. We are all saying BOA should not be BiS it should just be nice for XP. Please reply with quotes of were anyone said they cant get BOA.
Bottom line is 19's are in a shitty state and there are major issues that need fixing. There are also minor issues that would be great if fixed.
Bottom Line Issues that need fixing.
1.) Nerf BOA stats
2.) Nerf All Damage
3.) Nerf Resistance + Resilience
4.) Nerf Certain Classes or Talents (Hunter, Pally, Mage, Etc.) + Buff Others (All Shamans, All Warriors, Resto Druids, Warlocks, Etc.)
5.) Fix minor issues such as pvp trinkets, glyphs, professions,
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justgotagm said:
I play on retail and Private. If you can show me a Wotlk Private with gear to grind, please let me know, I'm interested. I made several twinks, especially during bc and wotlk. Lots of 19, 2 29, a 39, a 60, a 69, a 70, I think you get the point, I don't mind about grinding.
Second point, I do play 10s, no I didn't get a lot of activity, but from the guy with a level one twink in his signature and a guide about them [...]
Also, I think you're the one that is stupid. First you didn't read everything I wrote, if so you're just plain dumb! ''You need BoA to be a BiS twink''. [Incoming Extreme raging beware] HELLO FUCKING RETARD. YOU'RE A FUCKING TWINK, THE POINT OF TWINKING IS TO GET FUCKING BIS, BOA ARE BIS, YOU NEED THEM, YOU GET THEM. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE BIS OR DON'T WANT TO WORK TO GET BIS, DONT FUCKING PISS US OFF WITH THAT. YOU'RE A FUCKING HILARIOUS JOKE, YOU NEED BOA, YOU DONT NEED BOA, YOU WANT BOA, YOU WANT TO BE BIS, YOU WANT TO TWINK, YOU DONT NEED BOA NEITHER NEED TO BE BIS OR EVEN TO TWINK AT ALL. BLIZZARD DOESN'T GIVE A FUCKING SHIT IF YOU USE BOA TO DO PVP. THE POINT OF THIS GAME IS END-GAME, NOT FUCKING TWINKING. THE WHOLE POINT OF TWINKING IS TO GET BEST GEAR AVAILABLE AND PVP AT LOWER LEVEL. INDEED THEY ARE OP, BUT FUCK SAKE, WHY WOULD I WORK TO GET BOA IF THEY WERE WORST THAN OTHER SHOULDER..TO LEVEL FASTER? WITTTTHHH FUCKKKKING LESSSS STTTTAAAATTTTTSSSSS HELLLLLLOOOOOO FASSSSTTTEEERRRRRR LLEEEVVEEELLLLLLLLINNNNG. [End of Raging]
So basically, what you guys don't get is that if you want bis, get bis. You complains because BoA are too OP and you want them to be nerfed because they give unfair advantage, but YOU can get them, so no point in crying.
Also, Nerfing all damage would be stupid, I don't want my enhancement shammy damage to get nerfed.
Nerfing Resist and resil is ok
Point 4 is basically just call BALANCING
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First off i could barely read your "rage" due to all caps and terrible grammar. You don't scare me and you're making yourself look stupid.
Second off the one thing I pulled away is your trying to say we are complaining about BOA because its BiS and were not BiS. Me and Kore are BiS resto druids PAL. (I dont have grandfathered gear if you count that nor BOA helms cause I quit WoW)
You dont understand what I'm saying. I am 100% BiS twinked. I prefer level ones over 19's that's why my sig is the way it is. So if I'm 100% BiS with all the BOA why would I complain about how hard it is to get? I have 95% of all BOA!!!! I'm not saying Its hard to get or I cant. I CAN EASILY.
I'm saying it gives new players with out BOA a terrible experience when they get creamed by a full boa player. So yes STRICTLY 19 TWINKS (this THREAD ISN'T ABOUT BUT YOU CANT READ AND THINK IT IS) then boa isn't that harmful. But for low levels in general (what this thread is about) boa is an issue.
If you take away anything from this whole 5 paged thread be it this.
Say someone owns every piece of boa gear in game. That person can make a twink 80-90% finished in a matter of minutes. THATS WHAT I HAVE A FUCKING PROBLEM WITH BOA FOR. You're supposed to grind for your blues and look different. Not instantly be twinked and look the same as every other fucking toon. Also this person with every BOA can now level a toon to 10 in under an hour, then that person can play til 19 in full BOA XP ON. They then can delete that toon, make a new one and go rape some more. ALL IN XP ON BATTLEGROUNDS. Thats the issue of BOA.
Second off the one thing I pulled away is your trying to say we are complaining about BOA because its BiS and were not BiS. Me and Kore are BiS resto druids PAL. (I dont have grandfathered gear if you count that nor BOA helms cause I quit WoW)
You dont understand what I'm saying. I am 100% BiS twinked. I prefer level ones over 19's that's why my sig is the way it is. So if I'm 100% BiS with all the BOA why would I complain about how hard it is to get? I have 95% of all BOA!!!! I'm not saying Its hard to get or I cant. I CAN EASILY.
I'm saying it gives new players with out BOA a terrible experience when they get creamed by a full boa player. So yes STRICTLY 19 TWINKS (this THREAD ISN'T ABOUT BUT YOU CANT READ AND THINK IT IS) then boa isn't that harmful. But for low levels in general (what this thread is about) boa is an issue.
If you take away anything from this whole 5 paged thread be it this.
Say someone owns every piece of boa gear in game. That person can make a twink 80-90% finished in a matter of minutes. THATS WHAT I HAVE A FUCKING PROBLEM WITH BOA FOR. You're supposed to grind for your blues and look different. Not instantly be twinked and look the same as every other fucking toon. Also this person with every BOA can now level a toon to 10 in under an hour, then that person can play til 19 in full BOA XP ON. They then can delete that toon, make a new one and go rape some more. ALL IN XP ON BATTLEGROUNDS. Thats the issue of BOA.
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Blizzard likes to make money. 'Fairness' is pure spin. Money is king. Class imbalance at end game is engineered in for people who will only play (and pay) for FOTM. If BOA makes people roll alts to pwn in BGs and keep subscribing then they will stay. Twinks moved to XP off was smoke and mirrors - Purely a publicity exercise.
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brand new players without boa shouldn't be xp capping imo. brand new players don't know their ass from a hole in the wall and i don't want them in my bgs anyway. and who the fuck buys wow and its 3 expansions to stop playing after 19 levels and never see the rest of the game? dudes are going to get 85s eventually and then they will get boas and then they can twink if they desire and all will be well. sorry if they suck till then...that's not anyone's problem but theirs.
also, why does it seem like everyone forgot blizzard constantly tweaks class balance? i mean every single patch they nerf something or buff something. give shit a little time. seriously. if you're upset because you keep getting waxed by hunters in this bracket, either get better at playing or roll a hunter....or gtfo. i get steamrolled by them 80% of the time but i'm not mad bro. next patch they'll suck again and the peasants can rejoice. until then, deal with it.
if you quit wow then why do you even care? go twink on rift or something and stop causing a ruckuss here.
also, why does it seem like everyone forgot blizzard constantly tweaks class balance? i mean every single patch they nerf something or buff something. give shit a little time. seriously. if you're upset because you keep getting waxed by hunters in this bracket, either get better at playing or roll a hunter....or gtfo. i get steamrolled by them 80% of the time but i'm not mad bro. next patch they'll suck again and the peasants can rejoice. until then, deal with it.
if you quit wow then why do you even care? go twink on rift or something and stop causing a ruckuss here.
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justgotagm said:
What's the difference between grinding some blues and equipping some BOA's, really? twinks are for PVP, not grinding, we get enough of that in the rest of the game. tbh who are you or anyone say what you are "supposed" to do? it's their game, their toon. BiS has and always will be BiS, so it follows that naturally twinks will all look basically the same as others of their class/role (Give me BOA shoulders over Talbar Mantle looks wise any day). You can get from 1-10 in under an hour... SO WHAT? getting to 19 has never exactly been arduous, even before BOA's so don't get your point there. I really don't see the issue with BOA's tbh; they are not hard to obtain, they look better than most other items in the bracket (if that's what you care about), and if you want BiS get them, if not don't.
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Karok said:
Exactly.
crying over the fact that I use BoA, but Talbar or serpent shoulder weren't harder to get. Same thing goes for chest pre-BoA or even weapon. None of them were hard to obtain. I remember making some fail ass twink on a random server during BC and with the BoE from AH and about 1k gold, I was fully geared in like less then a week. That or BoA shoulder chest (If no inferno) amd weapon doesn't change much in term of speed of creation.
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wisket said:
1.) I'm a better player than you
2.) I'm not bitching I'm simply stating whats broken in the game
3.) When they tweak class balance its barley ever serious, and they dont focus on low levels.
4.) You have 10 posts
5.) This is my thread if you dont like it you can go find a different one.
6.) It proves how ignorant about the game you are when you talk shit about new players and your twink sucks.
7.) I quit because everything is broken and it's not fun anymore, doesnt mean I cant try to get it fixed.
8.) My point is completely proven by simply looking at your rogue. I bet you rolled it and had it geared how it is now in under a day. Pathetic. Nice arena grand master, oh wait...
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Karok said:
I guess I can understand that its about simply pvping when its all said and done. I just dont like boa when it comes down to it. It is harder to grind the blues. I never said what you're supposed to do.
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lol whatever dude, i wasn't trying to attack you like you obviously are me. i didn't come into this discussion to disrespect people i don't know. i'm just saying that most new players who haven't experienced the whole game don't really have business xp capping with their rusted musket and torn leather gloves. if they know what they're doing, then good on them. if they get bis shit that isn't heirlooms, then they'll probably be fine. and when they see that heirlooms exist, and they care enough, they will lvl an 85 and get them.
the 8 "points" you made are about as ignorant as the 8 points you made in your introductory post. you may be a better player, and probably are in all reality, but you're also a dickhead.
the 8 "points" you made are about as ignorant as the 8 points you made in your introductory post. you may be a better player, and probably are in all reality, but you're also a dickhead.
Tone down the rage. Continue this debate constructively or not at all. If I have to use infractions to keep a debate on track I'm happy to.
My problem with BoAs isn't purely from a twinking PoV, its from a general PoV. The way heirlooms were implemented is poor, as i said in my last post, due to the way they are a necessary grind for those that need them. I don't like grinding, say I need "instant gratification" or whatever, but that won't change anything. I'd much rather have an interesting questline to follow and it take twice as long than have to grind the same boring content for fewer hours for a BiS item or profession or w/e. My point about them being too OP is mainly directed at XP-on BGs. I included it in all my arguments in order to keep Blizzard interested since they are more likely to act on behalf of xp-on than xp-off and since I do enjoy xp-on BGs when leveling a new char.
My problem with BoAs isn't purely from a twinking PoV, its from a general PoV. The way heirlooms were implemented is poor, as i said in my last post, due to the way they are a necessary grind for those that need them. I don't like grinding, say I need "instant gratification" or whatever, but that won't change anything. I'd much rather have an interesting questline to follow and it take twice as long than have to grind the same boring content for fewer hours for a BiS item or profession or w/e. My point about them being too OP is mainly directed at XP-on BGs. I included it in all my arguments in order to keep Blizzard interested since they are more likely to act on behalf of xp-on than xp-off and since I do enjoy xp-on BGs when leveling a new char.
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bankbeauty said:
Little point in discussing things when you keep contradicting yourself, either you got BoA 'because they're BiS' (meaning they are, guess what, BiS) or 'you don't need them to be BiS'. Make up your mind already.
And stop it with the ''just because you haven't got them''-schtick, besides having them personally the question is wether people SHOULD have them just in order to be on-par, which is a perfectly legit discussion.
- The discussion is relevant for XP_Off in terms wether we want Twinking to be a passtime for current end-game only, or not.
Personally I think that would be a mistake (e.g. non-Expansion holders are often more positive to the idea of Twinking then the Heirloom Hero-crowd, and more people means more games) but of course you can differ on this. I just don't see why one would want to enforce something on other people that oneself hates.
- the issue is even more relevant for the XP-On situation, because it basically confronts regular players with the kind of toons the whole XP-Off/ON split was intended to prevent from encountering, let alone in such numbers, causing the same issues.
This is the biggest issue, and the one the OP I understand wanted to confront.
[ you can also look at the subject at a game-design perspective, but while it makes an interesting discussion wether or not creating gear that trivializes all other gear (making the other content redundant, content you need never to have encountered before in order to get Heirlooms) and makes a joke of the concept of gearing-while-progressing (grow-along) and character individuality (not Soulbound), I understand that that may take things a bit too far for most posters, just as noting that Blizzard initially created Soulbinding to counter the Ultima etc. issues of established players dumping OP gear on their new toons yet now makes it even worse by making the gear even improve over time may not be everybody's bevvy of Forum-talk. ]
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my problem with BoA isn't as much from a twinking perspective, as it is from a levelling perspective.. have you tried rolling a BoA-free toon, and pop him into a BG recently? there is as much difference between BoA geared players, and "questing geared" players, as there is between old twinks and "normal" players.. seriously, stats should be nerfed on BoA, simply because you CANT start this game, roll a new char, and get a good experience from PvP.. i REFUSE to believe, that anybody who is new to this game, is able to "have fun" with their levelling gear, in any PvP brackets.. i haven't seen it, ever. and bank, you talk about "wanting easy BiS, and gold cap".. what exactly are you referring to? isn't it WAAAY easier to spend 4 minutes reading tactics for random endgame dungeons (don't even have to be heroics, you get JP for normals too..) spend like, a day or two farming, and then NEVER having to consider EVER swapping gear again? just trollin' trough all the quests, laughing at the many thousands and thousands of gear pieces that blizz has made troughout the ages? this is ALOT easier than having to shout up and down trade chat, read web guides and watch youtube videos, call the girl(boy?)friend and ask her whats best, lie awake late at night and making thousands of gear sets, because you couldn't choose between two frigging chest pieces!
seriously, yeah, we twinks should do everything to get our BiS and quit whining, but there are other effects from these gear pieces in the game, and we as a forum have the best chance of providing constructive and intelligent feedback for blizzard. er just take things to another level, but its all the same spells, all the same races and classes and focus points.. and wether you are twinking or not, BoA gear is slicing trough levelling content as were it butter.
seriously, yeah, we twinks should do everything to get our BiS and quit whining, but there are other effects from these gear pieces in the game, and we as a forum have the best chance of providing constructive and intelligent feedback for blizzard. er just take things to another level, but its all the same spells, all the same races and classes and focus points.. and wether you are twinking or not, BoA gear is slicing trough levelling content as were it butter.
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wisket said:
I havent been a dick at all, but nobody is going to take you serious on a boa and new twink debate when you obviously are just that. Also you told me to stay out of the WoW community just cause I dont play and to go play rift. That made me mad, buddy.
Karok said:
you're right. im wrong. when i say supposed i meant how starting a general twink should require.
Chill, Tinkerton, and Kore know exactly what this whole thread is about. Thanks.
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justgotagm said:
Invalid Point is Invalid.
Kore nametooshort said:
Kore, I'd really like you to explain such a thing, Needing BoA. You guys totaly misconcept BoA. There's no where in-game where you NEED BoA. You WANT BoA, but you don't NEED them. You can do anything in this game, such as, leveling, PvPing exp-on or exp-off, Quest, Instance, Heal, Tank, Dps, Farm gold, dance in Stormwind, Duel, Die or more without BoA. BoA were implented like a bonus for those with extra points wanting to buy something useful, for those who level over and over and have points scattered over every toon. I know a lot of people who got several main capped without BoA, BoA aren't needed to level. You guys want them to twink your toon, because the point of twinking is to get BiS and then argue on the fact that's it's boring since it's a grind? You aren't forced to get them. No where, No where, blizzard is forcing you to get them. You WANT something, you'll have to work something. If BoA were Needed (I dunno, exemple, to get an extra level) Then it would be different since everyone would NEED them and grinding would be fucking retarded.
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chÃll said:
Took me about 3 days to get a fully BiS twink during BC, a warlock. Had everything but LFH, in 3 days. Does it changes anything to have BoA or not in term of speed of creation, Nope.
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Basically, if we're not thinking the way you are, we're wrong. Pretty interesting.
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Okay I'm done fighting.
We disagree about BOA. i'm sorry for raging and calling names. Lets get everything straight please
I think it needs to be nerfed because everyone can instantly be twinked, new players get destroyed by it, its ugly, its over powered, and I hate playing on my 85 to get it, let alone join a guild and get to level 20 and grind guild rep. I'm 17 years old with a life. I dont have time to stay active in a guild and play on an 85. Thats why I twink.
You dont think its a problem because all you care about are 19 twinks form what I've read, not the whole low level experience. I understand getting BOA is not impossible for anyone, everyone can eventually get it. But for the casual new players. They have to level all the way to 85, join a guild, grind the rep, and not spend any justice points on the blues they need at 85.
One last thing. The main reason why I think boa is bad.
Okay the reason blizzard made XP OFF seperate from XP ON is because twinks would go in and kick the shit out of new players.
So if you can be 90% twinked twink in full boa NOW. Then its pretty much letting 90% twinked twinks go in XP ON and kick the shit out of new players.
Then once they level out of the bracket they can send all their boa gear to a new toon and do it all over again.
Thats the problem. BOA = the magic key to be able to be a twink but play in XP ON. even though twinks belong in XP OFF.
You may disagree but do you understand what I'm trying to say (even kind of?)??
We disagree about BOA. i'm sorry for raging and calling names. Lets get everything straight please
I think it needs to be nerfed because everyone can instantly be twinked, new players get destroyed by it, its ugly, its over powered, and I hate playing on my 85 to get it, let alone join a guild and get to level 20 and grind guild rep. I'm 17 years old with a life. I dont have time to stay active in a guild and play on an 85. Thats why I twink.
You dont think its a problem because all you care about are 19 twinks form what I've read, not the whole low level experience. I understand getting BOA is not impossible for anyone, everyone can eventually get it. But for the casual new players. They have to level all the way to 85, join a guild, grind the rep, and not spend any justice points on the blues they need at 85.
One last thing. The main reason why I think boa is bad.
Okay the reason blizzard made XP OFF seperate from XP ON is because twinks would go in and kick the shit out of new players.
So if you can be 90% twinked twink in full boa NOW. Then its pretty much letting 90% twinked twinks go in XP ON and kick the shit out of new players.
Then once they level out of the bracket they can send all their boa gear to a new toon and do it all over again.
Thats the problem. BOA = the magic key to be able to be a twink but play in XP ON. even though twinks belong in XP OFF.
You may disagree but do you understand what I'm trying to say (even kind of?)??
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justgotagm said:
I get what your saying but i still disagree. Boa gear still makes it a challenge for new players. Thats good. id rather them learn the game while leveling up than have a bunch of noobs in the games. (which still happens) but even if they are 90% twinked, their still not 100%. and alot of classes cant even get 100% twinked anymore because of grandfathered gear. These are some advantages we have. Also many items are extremely hard to get. So what if theres BoA gear. As long as theres some pieces that are very hard to get to make you BiS in the end. Thats just how i see it.