Legion Timewalking

It very much is disputable because...

wowhead drop rates are borked as fuck and generally should be ignored. Especially since the advent of class/spec specific loot drops, the introduction of new loot onto existing tables, different versions of different bosses with wildly different loot tables, etc.
I'm aware of Wowhead's shortcomings, particularly with loot-specific drops. It's not the only source.

We also have concrete examples of things with different drop rates. Mounts are the obvious example. You might be tempted to say "but that's a mount, not loot". If so, why does that matter?

Anyway, I've done enough Strath runs to have gotten the mount 3 times. That's how many Strath runs I've done. So throwing your hands up and saying "it's all RNG and there's nothing more you can say about that" based on your 5 runs doesn't really hold a lot of water.

BFA weapon drops were notoriously low drop chance. Rare drops have been a thing since Vanilla though. The Blade of Eternal Darkness from Maraudon was incredibly rare. That sword from Mogu'shan Palace is incredibly rare.

To claim "there's no evidence different items have different drop rates" is ahistorical and, to be perfectly blunt, ignorant, arguably intentionally so.
this is not twink specific. It was a game wide change.
I don't understand what you're saying here. These are two concrete examples of how WoW is different if you're XP-locked. so you can't say there's no difference for twinks.
I got the epic version years ago in like 3 runs and the new TW version on my first run. Its not definitive, but its not nothing either. Yet I've done 100s of runs and never seen the mount, something people in this very community have gotten in their first runs. Random!
This is just silly. You at least recognize that RNG is RNG but being RNG does NOT mean you can't do statistical analysis. It just doesn't. You can analyze unknown random distributions without knowing what they are. It's the basis for the Central Limit Theorem.
Look, this isnt some grand conspiracy. Loot drops are (repeat after me) random. This will lead to wild swings in what drops and doesnt drop and only in the total experience of all players in the game does the average actually look average. Someone got Blackrook Hold 5 times in a row? Well, someone else hasnt gotten it all day. But on average?
I've done a lot of TW runs, so much so that I had ~350k TW badges before all the anniversary vendor refreshes, which have probably cost me another 200k I had so many TW badges that I used them to pay for all my heirloom upgrades. I have no idea how many badges I've earned overall. It's conservatively 500k+ however.

From that I can tell you that getting a repeat dungeon in a normal group where you complete the dungeon basically never happens. My suspicion is that Blizzard simply looks at the last TW dungeon each person in the group did and it picks randomly from the ones that no one most recently did. Implementations tend to be as simple as possible and this would be pretty simple. Blizzard may look further than that but that has limited value so I doubt they do it.

Part of this hypothesis is you only get "credit" for completing the dungeon, meaning if you left early, it's as if it never happened so yes, getting Court of Stars after leaving CoS now becomes possible (1/6) whereas it wouldn't otherwise happen. And I do just leave CoS so I can get repeats in a way a "normal" player completing the dungeon simply won't.

I can also say that in all my TW I've NEVER gotten the same dungeon 3 times in a row. Not once. Ever. It happened multiple times onver the weekend. The difference? Leaving the instance.

The point I'm trying to make here is I'm not just making stuff up or engaging in WoW astrology.
Yall have got to chill out with this shit. You're going to drive yourselves insane trying to tease out things that arent there and game systems that dont exist. This game isnt that deep. Yall will constantly point out that blizzard cant XYZ basic feature without bugs and glitches and "lol smol indie company" but you think theyre also devoting resources to specifically design entirely different loot drop parameters and dungeon queing systems just to fuck over a few dozen twinks? Come on now.
We have two concrete systems (reduced XP, longer queue times) aimed directly at and because of twinks. You can't say that Blizzard can't make twink-specific changes or that they don't care about this issue because there are two irrefutable examples contradicting such claims.
 
I'm convinced that the dungeon journal loot table is wrong for Devastation Evoker's in Neltharion's lair.
I too don't trust the dungeon journal's loot tables as I have confirmed errors in it in previous TW dungeons (i.e. WotLK).
But haven't confirmed any errors in Legion TW.
The Darkheart Thicket trinkets for Evoker aren't too useful, especially for lv11-15 Evokers.
 
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Relatively new to the Twink Life. Legion TW has a ridiculous number of trinkets for those interested. Thought I'd share my pre-work from this weeks farming. Each box represents the loot spec needed for the desired item. As you can see... some runs require a number of changes with some runs requiring changes between each boss. Rather tedious if trying to do on the fly.


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The ones I want to test out are:
Ember of Nullification from Blackrock Hold
Spiked Counterweight - Blackrock Hold - this looks really good if it procs enough

Windscar Whetstone - Court of Stars - The damage output looks good

Corrupted Starlight - Darkheart Thicket
Oakheart's Gnarled Root - Darkheart Thicket

Parjesh's Medallion - Eye of Azshara - this has always been a useful trinket for encounters where you have a good likelihood of dying
Stormsinger Fulmination Charge - Eye of Azshara - could be good for MM hunter, Evoker, Warlock

Talisman of the Cragshaper - Neltharion's Lair - a stronger version of an already good trinket
Naraxas' Spiked Tongue - Neltharion's Lair - would have to proc better dmg than a static amt of int/agility from other trinkets to be worthwhile

Orb of Torment - Vault of the Wardens - THIS. This is the one I want to check out most on BM Monk and Guardian druid
Tirathon's Betrayal -Vault of the Wardens - My rogue wants to try this out.
Spiked Counterweight procs so poorly it's insane.
You're better off with Mark of Dargrul.
 
Thought I'd share my pre-work from this weeks farming.
Consider using loot spec swapper addon, with some warnings - eg it can't recognize Kurtalos by name since mobs are different at launch.

And I do just leave CoS so I can get repeats in a way a "normal" player completing the dungeon simply won't.
I can confirm your observations on that subject. Early into classic tw spam i was trying to get to a specific instance - and seeing it's not what i want i left the grp without porting in (you will get lfg cd - 15min, not deserter buff by doing that). And the only instance i was offered by wow was fckg deadmines, exactly that one i was trying to avoid specifically.
 
feels like a thread hijack
Consider using loot spec swapper addon, with some warnings - eg it can't recognize Kurtalos by name since mobs are different at launch.


I can confirm your observations on that subject. Early into classic tw spam i was trying to get to a specific instance - and seeing it's not what i want i left the grp without porting in (you will get lfg cd - 15min, not deserter buff by doing that). And the only instance i was offered by wow was fckg deadmines, exactly that one i was trying to avoid specifically.
yeah the "nearly always pops deadmines first" malady was insane.. weeks on end, 4 out of 5 times id get deadmines first and have to just give in and do it if i wanted to see any other ones
 
Relatively new to the Twink Life. Legion TW has a ridiculous number of trinkets for those interested. Thought I'd share my pre-work from this weeks farming. Each box represents the loot spec needed for the desired item. As you can see... some runs require a number of changes with some runs requiring changes between each boss. Rather tedious if trying to do on the fly.


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When you farm these, are you using those specs just to get the item and swapping to a main spec fater, or are you gearing up each spec?
 
When you farm these, are you using those specs just to get the item and swapping to a main spec fater, or are you gearing up each spec?
I check what the boss drops in each of my specs and change loot spec accordingly before killing it.
This is a great little addon for that LootSpec Icon. Puts spec icon on your portrait, mouseover (and icon) shows current setting. Left-click changes it, right-click sets loot spec to your current spec.
 

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