EU+US Legion: Healing vs Dmg

[Batts]

Stat templates aside, so who knows what output will really look like come live(coefficient tuning and what-not), I'm seeing a lot of pretty scary changes for class balance come legion. Anyone had a look at what classes/specs get what by 19?

From DPS classes I'm seeing a LOT more high damage potential instant burst nearly across the board(too many to go into in depth, look for yourselves), and I'm not seeing much promise out of low level healers as far as toolkits/coefficients and dealing with any amount of coordinated burst.

• MW is gutted. Totally gutted.
• Rsham has good coefficients/talents but loses purge and shear to get lava burst and a rather weak HS totem.
• Hpal looks potentially good but no LoH/speed and bubble now autotriggers at low health because Blizz.
• Rdruid... hard to say. Loses roots, but gets dispel, can double rejuv, and swiftmend is basically an instant double flash heal on a 30s cd. With stat templates who knows how FCing will go.
• Hpriest looks like the best base healer with 500% SPC coefficient on flash heal, renew being comparable with resto rejuv, a 1min lay on hands(2000% SPC instant cast) but no PW:S
• Disc... honestly no idea. Instant cast spammable 225% SPC(half an rsham surge), PW:S on 7.5s cd so not spammable across team, penance usable while moving but needs talent to heal, and shadow mend is powerful but has the setback. Can be used while holy locked from penance though(but shear is gone sooo...)

In other notes...

• No offensive purges left in the bracket. Rogues have only kick.
• BMs lose barrel toss. Non-casted Ranged snares from Mut, MM/BM hunter. Shorter range from Outlaw.
  
• Hunters lose posthaste disengage, gain cheetah(3min CD sprint, 90% for 3s and 30% for 9s after) SV loses disengage entirely and doesn't get harpoon till 22.
  
• Rogues lost speed while stealthed, but Mut and Sub get shadowstep again.

Think the bracket will survive Legion? And not in a baselessly-confident-without-thinking-about-it, we've-survived-this-long kind of way? I'm on the fence, personally. Have to see what damage tuning considering stat templates looks like. Not a fan of the templates because gearing should give you stat choices IMO, but won't judge until we see the end results, and won't claim the sky is falling till we experience it. Would like to see other people's input though

 

[Purj]

Until PvP is unlocked on the leveling servers, we won't know what damage/healing looks like at low levels.

 

[Axione]

r.i.p tinks

 

[Roid]

I still say we need to have a vanilla twink private server.... Vquality did a goodo job but I don't know what happened.

 

[Gokku]

I still say we need to have a vanilla tink private server.... Vquality did a goodo job but I don't know what happened.

Private servers just cut ties between retail and private the community would split

 

[SPQR]

Think the bracket will survive Legion?

The issue of "surviving" is not existing. even if you will be the only exp locked 19 left in game, you will still get 5 min bg pops 24/7 due to army of just dinged 10s having nothing else to do if questing not an option.

If it is a question of enjoyment - depends on what you like. if you like spam heal whole bg, I have a feeling you will not enjoy this expansion.

 

[marblea]

MW is a really strong healer, the only healer that can burst heal through a lot of specs. It also has crazy assist potential with mistwalk, mistwalk a frontline RSK mistwalk to safty.

 

[Naxxramaskid]

• Disc.. shadow mend is powerful but has the setback.

disc got access to that spell?! and what's the setback?

 

[saxxon]

am i the onl one who thinks this xpac will be awesome?!?!

 

[Burg]

am i the onl one who thinks this xpac will be awesome?!?!

I'm looking forward to it as well. From what I've messed with on PTR I've been having a blast.

 

[Srs]

I'm pretty stoked. Cutting (most) of the ties to gear should make it easier to balance pvp across all levels.

 

[Cìren]

its gonna be good.

all twink brackets are going to thrive again like they did before xp on/ xp off segregation.

blizzard nearly pushed twinks into extinction... its just too hard for a normal everyday wow player to figure out how to turn their xp off and then have the patience to wait in a really long queue and then if that wasn't enough, network their way into the cult of whichever bracket they play to be relevant on a social plane.

IT WAS WAY TOO MUCH

with no segregation it's going to be quick and simple for everyone and overall more fun

 

[saxxon]

cant believe im agreeing with ciren

 

[Batts]

Yeah, this post was originally made before the xp desegregation reveal. Other than the game itself's decline, which will probably have a short-lived turnaround before people get burnt out again, I don't think twinking is in danger of "survival" now that you'll face new batches scrubs/alts to farm every few hours.

But as for:

MW is a really strong healer, the only healer that can burst heal through a lot of specs. It also has crazy assist potential with mistwalk, mistwalk a frontline RSK mistwalk to safty.

Uh what? I can only assume you've played around on the PTR but that makes no sense at all to me with the toolkit available on wowhead. The "flash heal" equivalent is less powerful than disc's spammable INSTANT heal, mistwalk is a 20s cd that (should) heal half of a swiftmend(and less than an rsham's healing surge etc), the soothing mist change butchers it because even moving a hair will cancel it until you hardcast again, and enveloping is a full 2sec cast... and in terms of power it's only a bit stronger than shadow mend but over 6 seconds(though with the benefit of making effuse *slightly* stronger than disc's instant spammable heal during those 6 seconds) on TOP of losing tiger's lust.

I could see if you said MW being a viable dmg dealer with BOK/RSK and a mobile offhealer like the current ret pala, but... strong healer? Did you try to compare it to any other healer??

 

[Trollguden]

But as for:



Uh what? I can only assume you've played around on the PTR but that makes no sense at all to me with the toolkit available on wowhead. The "flash heal" equivalent is less powerful than disc's spammable INSTANT heal, mistwalk is a 20s cd that (should) heal half of a swiftmend(and less than an rsham's healing surge etc), the soothing mist change butchers it because even moving a hair will cancel it until you hardcast again, and enveloping is a full 2sec cast... and in terms of power it's only a bit stronger than shadow mend but over 6 seconds(though with the benefit of making effuse *slightly* stronger than disc's instant spammable heal during those 6 seconds) on TOP of losing tiger's lust.

I could see if you said MW being a viable dmg dealer with BOK/RSK and a mobile offhealer like the current ret pala, but... strong healer? Did you try to compare it to any other healer??[/QUOTE]
^ This, I've mained MW on twinks since they were avaible but the new playstyle makes me wanna puke all over the spec. Yes, the Dmg is awesome but I will prob never be able to enjoy the spec again while it looks like this...

 

[Leek]

disc got access to that spell?! and what's the setback?

You take 50% of the amount you heal as a DoT over a few seconds (8?)