Is This The Dawn Of A Cultural Shift?

[Kincaide]

I have a few 19s on my frozen original account (I feel like I can't even call it a P2P account anymore!) that I will definitely be testing this stuff out as soon as it releases! I'm a lot more excited about this than I am the heirloom tab, and just think of how long we waited for that...

 

[Neon]

I think all of us f2p twinks should bring the 40-49 bracket back to life!

 

[Kincaide]

I think all of us f2p twinks should bring the 40-49 bracket back to life!

Well, keep in mind, when an account lapses, it goes into restricted mode, that means any character 21 and up is locked, just like when an F2P makes a DK and then logs out. So you'd be able to keep playing at level 20, and you'd be able to do 19s IF the XP isn't automatically turned on, but no other brackets.

 

[Neon]

Well, keep in mind, when an account lapses, it goes into restricted mode, that means any character 21 and up is locked, just like when an F2P makes a DK and then logs out. So you'd be able to keep playing at level 20, and you'd be able to do 19s IF the XP isn't automatically turned on, but no other brackets.

oh i thought u could keep playing on that level u just couldnt level any further thank you for clearing things up your a stooge!

 

[TheFupaKing]

It depends. Blizzard might mess with the xp-on, xp-off with the new features. This is definitely going to be one of the very first things tested in 6.1, because if it works the way we hope to, then a ton of F2P players will be able to join the 19s.

Edit: not to mention the hundreds of thousands of old lapsed subscribers who might get back into the game for pvp if they're able to play 19s for free.

I remember when F2P twinking began, very few including myself, locked our XP at 19. We didn't stand a chance against the 19 with enchants, though I hope XP off will be available once again.

It's something I'll definitely be looking forward to.

 

[Kincaide]

I'm going to bed but something I'd like for you all to think about and maybe we can talk about it as a community:

Is there any reason now to have a cultural distinction between never-paid and used-to-paid players? And how will we welcome and incorporate any possible influx of former subscribers who are joining us as used-to-paid players? My reasoning for discussing a cultural shift is just that: would it be fair to those players if we, in any way, maintained aspects of our F2P culture that made them feel like they weren't equally valid members of the community? And this goes especially so if my prediction comes true and the majority of (TI) F2Ps do take that $5 battle chest and become used-to-paid players as well. Would we benefit from a change in our self-referencing terminology? And would the community ever be able to get behind such a change? Or are we going to allow ourselves to be further divided into never-paid, used-to-paid, and currently-paid groups? Do we really want that?

I know, lots of questions, I really enjoy cultural and sociological group dynamics so it'll be interesting to see what happens. Of course, we don't have to just watch what happens; in this case we get to talk about what we want to happen and then make it happen.

 

[Allybeboba]

Every account will be a "pure" F2P account now. There will be no special snowflakes. The day is a glorious one!

/cheers
Sweetsidney

 

[noobinit]

look u guys once u get into the professional world of adults u come to realize people LOVE hashing and rehashing EVERYTHING if given a chance - in meetings, creating mission statements, arguing about wording and the underlying meaning. . . really not too different from what happens here on TI. AND YOU THOUGHT ITS CAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE HERE? yaaa - no.

the best solutions are KISS. keep it simple sweetheart. get some input like with this thread . and then the mods make the final decision. people will go along with your leadership with only minor kicking and screaming. but in the end you will have clear guidelines. that would actually be a more productive discussion to pursue. culture follows actionable ethics especially in a simple chat based environment.

i also feel i have to say i find the wording in this thread really confusing as i havent followed the veterans account issue. e.g. i also assumed it must mean that one could stop paying at lvls higher than 20 and just remain at that level - until that issue was addressed explicitly; i wonder what else i am missing. the whole semantic issue also eludes me entirely.

 

[Srs]

Yeah, I'm not sure I understand. This all seems too over-thought to me. It seems like they are making the game truly f2p, and the only restrictions will be per expansion, unless otherwise stated. I'm not too worried about xp locks on/off because I think that either way, there will be great opportunities for twinking. If we can lock and stay locked, then we are gtg for whatever bracket you want to play. If somehow they make the error of expansion capping us in the xp-on bracket, well, that will just be hilarious.

As far as a cultural shift? I'm sure it will be. F2p twinking is dead! Long live f2p twinking!

 

[Iorek]

I think I missunderstood the 5 dollar Battle Chest thing

I said that never-paid F2Ps will probably quit wow cause I thought that if they pay the Bchest, without having a high level toon, getting the BiS extra content would be a nightmare (huge gametime needed in 1 month) compared to those who have a high level frozen character

If that is not the case then the difference will be smaller and most never-paid F2Ps will pay 5 dollars

PD: I still dont get all that madness about "pure F2P" haha, it only means that they never paid, has nothing to do about superiority, classes or soul purity lol
and never-paid F2P is longer than pure F2P

 

[Srs]

I think I missunderstood the 5 dollar Battle Chest thing

I said that never-paid F2Ps will probably quit wow cause I thought that if they pay the Bchest, without having a high level toon, getting the BiS extra content would be a nightmare (huge gametime needed in 1 month) compared to those who have a high level frozen character

If that is not the case then the difference will be smaller and most never-paid F2Ps will pay 5 dollars

PD: I still dont get all that madness about "pure F2P" haha, it only means that they never paid, has nothing to do about superiority, classes or soul purity lol
and never-paid F2P is longer than pure F2P

The term "pure f2p" became a thing when account wide achievements went live, to make the distinction between those that had linked accounts, and those that did not. The only real difference, if one turns all your f2p characters to where they only display their individual achievements, would be stuff like linked titles, mounts, and now, toys.

It's only really a big deal if you are the type of person that is into collecting achievements, which I am not. I maintain that achievements are the bailiwick of console peasants.

 

[Shamatix]

Nah, they'll probably pass on one combo meal and pay the $5.

I know, I know, I KNOW I sound like the same arguments P2Ps have made for years! I know.

I really like how f2ps have always knocked on 24s/29s for paying for the game and how "pure" they were and never had payed... And now what it comes down to is f2ps knocking on eachother for either being pure or not... I am laughing so much seeing the true face of some people

 

[Srs]

I really like how f2ps have always knocked on 24s/29s for paying for the game and how "pure" they were and never had payed... And now what it comes down to is f2ps knocking on eachother for either being pure or not... I am laughing so much seeing the true face of some people

The purist thing is pretty much moot, as most dropped out of the achievement race. To many GF'ed achieves for most to compete with.

 

[Rollop]

I really like how f2ps have always knocked on 24s/29s for paying for the game and how "pure" they were and never had payed... And now what it comes down to is f2ps knocking on eachother for either being pure or not... I am laughing so much seeing the true face of some people

You're about 3 years too late for that convo. The real beauty is seeing 19s, 29s, 70s post over on the wow forums asking if they can twink with p2p gear for free with the new veteran account announcement. F2ps have been circumventing restrictions since around the time you joined TI. It's quite adorable to see the other side finally doing the same.

 

[Kincaide]

I really like how f2ps have always knocked on 24s/29s for paying for the game and how "pure" they were and never had payed... And now what it comes down to is f2ps knocking on eachother for either being pure or not... I am laughing so much seeing the true face of some people

I'm going to say that it was always the 24s/29s who knocked on F2Ps for -not- paying, and it was the F2Ps who knocked on 24s/29s for choosing to lock XP in a bracket just because they could steamroll F2Ps. NOT because they chose to pay, that's very different. But because they chose to bully a bracket where 90% of the people they'd meet in a BG were laughably easy kills.

I'm going to say that, and now that we've both had a chance to say our views I'm going to ask that that be the last of that side-tracking, years-old conversation, because while I felt it was worth addressing with this one reply, it isn't on topic with my thread. We can discuss it over a cup of cocoa in my PMs if you like but otherwise let's just don't.

 

[Kincaide]

Yeah, I'm not sure I understand. This all seems too over-thought to me. It seems like they are making the game truly f2p, and the only restrictions will be per expansion, unless otherwise stated. I'm not too worried about xp locks on/off because I think that either way, there will be great opportunities for twinking. If we can lock and stay locked, then we are gtg for whatever bracket you want to play. If somehow they make the error of expansion capping us in the xp-on bracket, well, that will just be hilarious.

As far as a cultural shift? I'm sure it will be. F2p twinking is dead! Long live f2p twinking!

I apologize, I should have made it clearer at the beginning of the post and not assumed that everyone had read the blue posts on the topic, but when they say that paid accounts will have starter edition restrictions when they aren't currently under paid time, they mean that literally: No yells, no tells, no mail, no AH, no trading, gold limitation, and--most importantly--access only to characters that are level 20 or below.

 

[Donteventrii]

Yea but I wonder if they will code guild banks to also not be allowed at launch or if it will be an oversight.

 

[Faerondil]

Honestly this could be absolutely amazing whichever way the 19/20 question goes as I am sure everyone who ever had an account will get an email. I have a few friends that I raided, arena'd, and twinked with that I am sure would come back to make 19s or 20s.

 

[madhombre]

awesome change because the gap between f2ps (veteran accounts) and p2ps will be smaller than ever before (only abilitys/glyphs and the arathi boots for +movementspeed)but as shamatix said, a lot of f2p player said they play f2p for the challenge and such stuff.. well see how many of them are left once 6.1 hit

 

[SPQR]

Having not to pay for enchants on your toons is 2 years out of date.