is enhance viable at all?

[inoobupro]

enhance viable...yeah against retards but there are plenty in this bracket so it may be

Enhance being viable is almost like what these kids saying that 20-24 rogues are not a 2 button ambush/die/ repeat class. You can weave it however you want but its just not going to change

So, 44k dmg is bad for an Elemental Shaman? Is it that are you saying?

LOL! So, there are so many bad Elemental Shaman is that case.

yes he is implying that both of these statements are true

 

[willix]

xD I love you. You're like an angry gnome that has to spit and yell to be heard.

Trial accounts are done in WoD. Hahaha. Oh boy. Ok, let's say for a brief moment that you're right. Let's say that F2Ps don't scale to 29 (They do by the way, I've done the tests) - so what? We get one shot now by 24's, we'll continue to play in WoD getting one shot by 29's.

To ever assert that Trial accounts are "done" isn't just wrong, it's also extremely lacking in any form of measurable intelligence.

We've been here since Wrath, honey dumpling. We're not going anywhere.

Take your fantasies elsewhere.

I don't mean they are done having activity, I'm not so stupid to assume that the jajas and terribads would just stop queuing. I mean they are done. As in the second they come across a geared/skilled 29 twink they are toast. Roast turkey. Sitting in the GY for the rest of the game. In WoD, gear and enchants make up a lot more of a characters stats than they do currently on live. Toons that have access to P2P enchants are going to be much more potent than toons who don't.

Scaling won't matter, especially since you're not going to be able to live nearly as long or do nearly as much damage as a player with BiS enchants.

 

[Manny]

I have never been able to test a enh sham . Nor play it in mop , CATA....
i think there isnt a big ammount of burst but if geared its dmg might becreally good. [MENTION=18801]ETshaman[/MENTION] is really good at it , can you do some ptr testing please .... would be awsome, also how mutch does h surge heal for in enh ?

From my ptr testing Enh is performing very well, aside from when you oom, the heals are like 574 ish in combat.

Lava lash: 160-200 dmg and 200-250 crits ( crits are now 150% of normal damage )
flame shock: 80-100 dmg and 130 crits
primal strike: 110-120 dmg and 160 crits
auto hits are actually really high 80 ish dmg mainhand 30 ish offhand
flametongue dmg is like 37-40 dmg each hit
totem does like 30-40 dmg each cast
and lightning shield does around 30-40 damage also

The numbers seem so small but you have to group them all as a whole and remember that they are happening almost at the same time, enh is performing great

Also it seems like the Stone bulwark totem is really viable again, since there is no battle fatigue its absorbing around 500-520 on the first bubble and 120 on each subsequent one

Im in love, and the new models don't make it worse

EDIT: forgot to mention that they changed flurry, it makes haste lower gcd and cooldowns of certain abilities, troll shaman might be really great, but dwarf clenses everything so im in love

 

[inoobupro]

ye and 1 ferocious bite from a tank druid=every damage ability you just described combined x4

 

[willix]

From my ptr testing Enh is performing very well, aside from when you oom, the heals are like 574 ish in combat.

Lava lash: 160-200 dmg and 200-250 crits ( crits are now 150% of normal damage )
flame shock: 80-100 dmg and 130 crits
primal strike: 110-120 dmg and 160 crits
auto hits are actually really high 80 ish dmg mainhand 30 ish offhand
flametongue dmg is like 37-40 dmg each hit
totem does like 30-40 dmg each cast
and lightning shield does around 30-40 damage also

The numbers seem so small but you have to group them all as a whole and remember that they are happening almost at the same time, enh is performing great

Also it seems like the Stone bulwark totem is really viable again, since there is no battle fatigue its absorbing around 500-520 on the first bubble and 120 on each subsequent one

Im in love, and the new models don't make it worse

EDIT: forgot to mention that they changed flurry, it makes haste lower gcd and cooldowns of certain abilities, troll shaman might be really great, but dwarf clenses everything so im in love

You also forgot to mention that you don't get Flametongue Weapon until level 30. And that the average level 20 F2P has about 2k hp on the PTR. I was testing my 19 enhance shaman against F2Ps last night, and stomping all over them because I have 3k hp and a lot more power coming through my attacks.

 

[Crayonla]

yes he is implying that both of these statements are true

I never saw a F2P Elemental Shaman did over 50k dmg in WSG. Those who I saw did that, they were P2P lvl24.

Is Verymoist a bad Elemental Shaman?

PS: My character in this WSG, Peeppee, it's a Feral Druid. (Look at the action bar, spot #6 Savage Roar )
PS2: I was playing with my wife, Jellopipi, a Resto Druid.
PS3: My wife is hot: she is Asian good looking and she is a gamer. She started to play WoW before we met. I teached her how to play a healer in an efficient way.
PS4: My wife and I made this WSG a win.

 

[Rollop]

My wife is hot: she is Asian good looking and she is a gamer.

Oh look, the only post in this thread im interested in. Pics pl0x

Really though, no point arguing. Enh is in a good place on the ptr. Druids the new huntard, so there will be a fotm, but that's nothing new. (always going to be a fotm class) As for playing with the odds stacked against you, as a trial twink, that's nothing new either.

 

[inoobupro]

I never saw a F2P Elemental Shaman did over 50k dmg in WSG. Those who I saw did that, they were P2P lvl24.

Is Verymoist a bad Elemental Shaman?

PS: My character in this WSG, Peeppee, it's a Feral Druid. (Look at the action bar, spot #6 Savage Roar )
PS2: I was playing with my wife, Jellopipi, a Resto Druid.
PS3: My wife is hot: she is Asian good looking and she is a gamer. She started to play WoW before we met. I teached her how to play a healer in an efficient way.
PS4: My wife and I made this WSG a win.

I think those shamans had a big problem attempting to cross mid while getting cut down by multiple brazilian hunters.
if anything its cool that alliance had 4 hunters, with the brazilians going ontop and being the MvPs

my favorite part-that Upswag/biggie/r1 god 2.2k arena nerd/whatever his name that calls everyone who doesnt agree with him autistic is going 4-8

what happened to the 'good players dont get farmed part''


PS: the brazilian hunters made that WSG win

 

[willix]

I never saw a F2P Elemental Shaman did over 50k dmg in WSG. Those who I saw did that, they were P2P lvl24.

Is Verymoist a bad Elemental Shaman?

'I've never seen it happen, therefore it must be impossible.'

We're talking about the 20-24 bracket, where the average player is bad at game. So yeah, if you see an ele in a game or two, chances are he's not doing the best that he can. A GOOD elemental shaman would keep up with any hunter in damage.

 

[LennywBT]

Looks like enh is good. Shows promising... anyway...yea ill have to agree ferobite owns in one way or another... a nelf feral could be deadly. Pouncx2 too op. Along with the bonus agi that nelfs have.
Anyway... there will be nubish ferals that fo not kno how to play aftar all. They might strike for like 1k ferobite not using sroar or tfury. Feral takes skill and those who are decent at it.... bah just run to your team... :/...there will never be balance betwen f2ps and p2ps ... there will always be a fotm class in evry exspansion...but there is one thing im proud of myself. I played a feral even when they werent as op as uuntars...dont missunderstand... feral has always been op but not against tanks etc...maybe rip is ok...but not as quicker as hunters...
I think i did good. Managed to kill 24 hunts.... lot of efcs ...i am still going to stivk with feral but i will neva leave guardian brhind.
Thanks.

i do not think eell be seein lota druids anywY but thats ust me.

 

[LennywBT]

Sorry for eating any letter... im so not used to this new phone.

 

[Brov]

If by 'fine' you mean 'living in the graveyard,' then yes, you will be fine.

have you even participated in 20-29 BGs? I did a few last night and I stay by my statement.

 

[LennywBT]

have you even participated in 20-29 BGs? I did a few last night and I stay by my statement.

Tell me about them plis...da bgs.... dat gnomish pic looks cute btw<3.

 

[weavingthevalues]

have you even participated in 20-29 BGs? I did a few last night and I stay by my statement.

queues are popping?

 

[LennywBT]

queues are popping?

Seems like they are.

 

[Crayonla]

'I've never seen it happen, therefore it must be impossible.'

We're talking about the 20-24 bracket, where the average player is bad at game. So yeah, if you see an ele in a game or two, chances are he's not doing the best that he can. A GOOD elemental shaman would keep up with any hunter in damage.

I have more than 500screens and I never saw a F2P Elemental Shaman doing more than 50K. NEVER.

In other hand, I send you back your saying ('I've never seen it happen, therefore it must be impossible'): you said Enhancement Shaman is not viable and I showed it is viable. You can't understand why an Enhancement Shaman can catch up an Elemental Shaman for dmg and healing, I showed it's possible. Your only way to explain I did better than the Elemental Shaman is by saying he is bad and that's making me looking good. So, at the end, WHAT THE HELL is a good Enhancement Shaman then?? Did you ever roll an Enhancement Shaman and did so many WSG than I did with my Enhancement Shaman?

Hunter's dmg >> Elemental Shaman's dmg

 

[willix]

have you even participated in 20-29 BGs? I did a few last night and I stay by my statement.

PTR has been up for like 4 days, and it's been buggy as shit. BGs aren't even possible atm.

But keep them lies coming, twinkfood.

I have more than 500screens and I never saw a F2P Elemental Shaman doing more than 50K. NEVER.

In other hand, I send you back your saying ('I've never seen it happen, therefore it must be impossible'): you said Enhancement Shaman is not viable and I showed it is viable. You can't understand why an Enhancement Shaman can catch up an Elemental Shaman for dmg and healing, I showed it's possible. Your only way to explain I did better than the Elemental Shaman is by saying he is bad and that's making me looking good. So, at the end, WHAT THE HELL is a good Enhancement Shaman then?? Did you ever roll an Enhancement Shaman and did so many WSG than I did with my Enhancement Shaman?

Hunter's dmg >> Elemental Shaman's dmg

'I've never seen an ele shaman do more than 50k damage, it must not be possible.'

Again, most of the players in that bracket are TERRIBLE. A good elemental shaman (and by good, I mean someone who doesn't backpedal/keyboard turn with the arrow keys), would be capable of keeping pace with good hunters.

 

[Neon]

All this talk of enh, how is ret doing?

 

[LennywBT]

All this talk of enh, how is ret doing?

Fine. Just as prot.

 

[Mesikämmen]

It's ok, but ele is a lot better in pretty much every aspect. Enha has no burst, goes oom fast, has no thunderstorm, has weaker constant dps than ele, less armor, and it's also (half?) melee dps as opposed to ele which is ranged. Ele can definitely put out a lot more damage than 50k per game btw.