Information About the Bracket For a Newcomer

[Dirt Nasty]

After browsing through the forums for a few days, I've decided to make a twink for the 20-24 bracket. The brackets I was primarily looking at were the 15-19, 20-24, and 25-29 bracket sections. The 10-14 bracket didn't interest me very much due to a very small spellbook and making a free to play character wasn't an option because I already have a pay to play account up and running.

It seemed like out of these 3, the 20-24 bracket was the only one getting regular pops daily. I'm getting the notion that the quality of the 20-24 bracket may not be as high as the 15-19 or 25-29 bracket section due to the vast population of trial accounts in the bracket. However, I don't want to have to worry about being available to play on a certain time and day each week like I have read in the 15-19 and 25-29 bracket sections. If these brackets become active to the point where they get regular pops, I can just make another twink, anyways. The main reason I have come to low level twinking is to be able to play PvP without having to devote as much time like constantly having to get better gear and planning time in my schedule for arenas, rated battlegrounds, or raids. I've gotten rather burnt out from end-game over the years and am hoping that low level twinking can be a fresh stimulus for me.

With that said, I would like some advice and information from players currently playing in the bracket before I make some decisions.

First, I would like to know how a few classes perform in this bracket. I have looked through each class's spellbook and talents on wowhead.com, but you can't get an accurate judgement of how a class performs just by looking at what spells it has. I'm looking to play a class/specialization that isn't the most overpowered but isn't the weakest class/specialization either. The classes and specializations I am looking at are as follows:

• Druid (Feral)
• Mage (any specialization)
• Monk (Windwalker)
• Priest (Shadow)
• Shaman (Enhancement)
• Warlock (any specialization)
• Warrior (Arms or Fury)

You may have noticed that I chose mainly melee and caster classes. I am curious to know how these classes and specializations do, as well as how melee does compared to casters at this level. Are any of these extremely overpowered? Why? Which classes are underpowered to the point where it wouldn't be very enjoyable to play, if any, and why? Let me know, I'd love to hear. However, please don't respond with a 2-word response like, "Warrior sucks,". I'd like an explanation for why it "sucks". I have never been a healer or flag carrier so I'm going to stay away from those classes/specializations.

I am also wondering what the most active realms/factions are, in terms of 20-24 twinks. I am currently on Illidan but am willing to transfer my twink to a different server/faction that houses more 20-24 twinks after I finish gearing my twink up. Joining a twink guild is something I am thinking about, as it would be nice to be in a guild with other players in the bracket.

A couple days ago I saw a thread regarding a premade between two different guilds. I am wondering how frequently these happen and how many people have partaken in these so far.


So to recap, I am looking for information from people currently playing the bracket regarding:

• Specific classes/specializations that I am looking at
• Good server/factions to possibly transfer to
• Faction Balance
• Premades
• Any other information you think I should know as a prospective 20-24 bracket twink

Thank you in advance.

 

[Lil]

Specific classes/specializations that I am looking at

F2P healthpools are normally around 1500-2200. P2P healthpools are normally 2000-3500

Feral can crit people for 2000 easily. Good mobility and decent offheals with great burst. OP wise I'd give it a 8/10
Mages are squishy but have high burst. Can constantly 2 shot people. OP wise I'd give it a 7/10
Monks idk and wont comment for as they arent around that much
Spriests are the single most OP and boring class at this level. If you played endgame and were any decent at it I would steer away from this spec unless you are simply looking to mash 3 buttons and take your anger out on people. OP wise I'd give it a 10/10
Enh are just bad.. You could probably make an enh decent however it is lesser than an ele in almost every category however ele is up there OP wise. Enh are for those 24s who try to challenge themselves. OP wise I'd give it a 5/10
Locks are alot like mages except lack that 2 shot burst. Still pack quite a bit of a burst but simply aren't as good as mages imo. OP wise I'd give it a 6/10
Fury war is along the same line as enh. Arms is like ele. Go arms if you wanna play a war however arms hits like a truck and is up there OP wise as well. Fury I'd say is 4/10 OP wise and Arms I'd say is 8/10

Good server/factions to possibly transfer to

Sanctuary is the biggest guild however not the best. They are more about quantity>quality. Sua spanta or however it's spelled is the best guild with a track record however has lacked any real challenge.

Faction Balance

Balance 24 wise I'd safely say horde has a 3:1 P2P ratio. Skillwise I'd say it's about even however you will see ALOT more faceroll boring games on horde then you will on ally.

Premades

GvG premades never happen. SS vs SR was the first real one since late cata and it didn't even happen.. Too much false epeen to set up a guild premade.. I'm sure you can understand

Any other information you think I should know as a prospective 20-24 bracket twink

Umm.. If you were decent at all at endgame playing a 24 twink can be very boring at times and depending on the time/faction you play it will just be even more boring.

Most F2Ps will probably resent you due to the obvious that I probably don't have to say.

Unless looking for a laugh don't read the stuff said in this forum as most of it is just from ex 19s coming to ruin this bracket since they ruined theirs.

Besides that, welcome to the bracket

 

[Dreeze]

You forgot to add "Total garbage".

 

[Blinka]

Pretty much what Lil said. If you just want 24/7 pops this bracket is for that. Other brackets with high activity are 70s 60s and 85s that I have heard recently. If you want competition you wont get alot of that here. You will need to go to end game to get any consistent competition. Good luck on your search.

 

[Phrontistery]

"the free to play bracket wasn't really an option because I already have a pay to play account up."

I'm not sure if Lil mentioned because I'm not reading all that, but the 20-24 bracket contains the "free to play" or "F2P" bracket, you'll be seeing mainly F2Ps and some P2Ps such as yourself.

 

[#Idiote]

Sua spanta or however it's spelled is the best guild with a track record however has lacked any real challenge.

What's more pathetic than fanboying a 24 twink guild? Oh yeah, fanboying an overhyped 24 twink guild...

[*]Druid (Feral)

Guardian > Feral. Way more versatile. Immortal Form + Bear Hug 3 second dmg stun for kill. You lose feral's burst but you still have good dmg and decent burst when your bleeds are ticking and you Ferocious Bite for the kill.

 

[Phrontistery]

What's more pathetic than fanboying a 24 twink guild? Oh yeah, fanboying an overhyped 24 twink guild...



Guardian > Feral. Way more versatile. Immortal Form + Bear Hug 3 second dmg stun for kill. You lose feral's burst but you still have good dmg and decent burst when your bleeds are ticking and you Ferocious Bite for the kill.

Somebody needs to hurry up and officially beat them so that people have a proper reason NOT to "fanboy" them.
And yeah Guardians great.

Edit: thanks Goesid

 

[Goesid]

Not even mentioning the huge survivability buffs.

Think that's what he meant with immortal form

 

[Faerondil]

Despite fanboying SS ;-) , Lil's post is otherwise spot-on.

Skill Ratio on Bleeding Hollow is a horde guild made up of 19s. When one of their premades rolls into a BG they pretty much roflstomp the Alliance team. I can't speak to individual player skill but their teamwork and coordination is top notch.

Btw, I sent you a couple of PMs

 

[Faerondil]

Sorry double post

 

[Lil]

I just want to say I didn't "fanboy" SS... Most of SS are from old HI members and I respect them but I don't like them and I was trying not to make this into another guild drama thread but all you newcomers need to stop acting like you know everything about this bracket.. If you knew me at all you'd know I disliked all 24s equally (except for duo <3 he's special! Hi duo I know you're reading this ) and I "fanboy" no 24 EVER....


Pretty sure everyone knew if SS vs SR happened who the winner would be but it didn't happen and since it didn't the self proclaimed "best guild" in this bracket has, like I said, lacked any real challenge.

 

[#Idiote]

Somebody needs to hurry up and officially beat them so that people have a proper reason NOT to "fanboy" them.
And yeah Guardians great.

Edit: thanks Goesid

Fair point, Mr. Devil's Advocate.

 

[Phrontistery]

Another notable feature of this bracket - Drama can spur very easily! - (mainly on the forums)

Although I suppose that is a feature of any group/community.

 

[Phrontistery]

Fair point, Mr. Devil's Advocate.

You're on the money, sir.

 

[Faerondil]

I just want to say I didn't "fanboy" SS... Most of SS are from old HI members.

Ah, I wondered what happened to Horde Invasion.

Although you worded it correctly, I think it was too easy to focus on 'best guild' and miss 'with a track record'. Add to that the omission of SR and it does come off as fanboyish. Not saying that you are a fanboy, your disdain for anything 24 is well known to any who have frequented this bracket's and the f2p forums for any amount of time.

 

[#Idiote]

He's a fanboy.

 

[Lil]

Ah, I wondered what happened to Horde Invasion.

Ya HI disbanded for the most part and server/faction changed to what is now SS

Although you worded it correctly, I think it was too easy to focus on 'best guild' and miss 'with a track record'. Add to that the omission of SR and it does come off as fanboyish.

Well talking about a "best guild" while taking about 24s is a very loose term and shouldn't be taken seriously no matter what but I tried adding in the track record part to not cause drama, guess I shoulda put it in bold

Not saying that you are a fanboy, your disdain for anything 24 is well known to any who have frequented this bracket's and the f2p forums for any amount of time.

And that was my whole point hehe. Once these newcomers get some experience under their belt IN THIS BRACKET they will learn to realize I fanboy no 24 Now time to go to work before the real drama starts once the SR pplz wake up

 

[#Idiote]

Oh you're so on top of things!

 

[Dirt Nasty]

F2P healthpools are normally around 1500-2200. P2P healthpools are normally 2000-3500

Feral can crit people for 2000 easily. Good mobility and decent offheals with great burst. OP wise I'd give it a 8/10
Mages are squishy but have high burst. Can constantly 2 shot people. OP wise I'd give it a 7/10
Monks idk and wont comment for as they arent around that much
Spriests are the single most OP and boring class at this level. If you played endgame and were any decent at it I would steer away from this spec unless you are simply looking to mash 3 buttons and take your anger out on people. OP wise I'd give it a 10/10
Enh are just bad.. You could probably make an enh decent however it is lesser than an ele in almost every category however ele is up there OP wise. Enh are for those 24s who try to challenge themselves. OP wise I'd give it a 5/10
Locks are alot like mages except lack that 2 shot burst. Still pack quite a bit of a burst but simply aren't as good as mages imo. OP wise I'd give it a 6/10
Fury war is along the same line as enh. Arms is like ele. Go arms if you wanna play a war however arms hits like a truck and is up there OP wise as well. Fury I'd say is 4/10 OP wise and Arms I'd say is 8/10


Sanctuary is the biggest guild however not the best. They are more about quantity>quality. Sua spanta or however it's spelled is the best guild with a track record however has lacked any real challenge.


Balance 24 wise I'd safely say horde has a 3:1 P2P ratio. Skillwise I'd say it's about even however you will see ALOT more faceroll boring games on horde then you will on ally.

GvG premades never happen. SS vs SR was the first real one since late cata and it didn't even happen.. Too much false epeen to set up a guild premade.. I'm sure you can understand

Umm.. If you were decent at all at endgame playing a 24 twink can be very boring at times and depending on the time/faction you play it will just be even more boring.

Most F2Ps will probably resent you due to the obvious that I probably don't have to say.

Unless looking for a laugh don't read the stuff said in this forum as most of it is just from ex 19s coming to ruin this bracket since they ruined theirs.

Besides that, welcome to the bracket

Thank you for the very informative reply. If Sanctuary isn't the best guild, then which guilds are? Also, after reading your information about the classes, I'm leaning towards a warlock or mage because they seem to be somewhere in the middle of overpowered and underpowered.

You forgot to add "Total garbage".

Can you elaborate?

Pretty much what Lil said. If you just want 24/7 pops this bracket is for that. Other brackets with high activity are 70s 60s and 85s that I have heard recently. If you want competition you wont get alot of that here. You will need to go to end game to get any consistent competition. Good luck on your search.

I've played enough end-game and want to play more casually By casually, I don't mean lowering my level of gameplay, but rather not spending as much time playing and getting gear, and always having to worry about having to free up time in my schedule for guild events and whatnot.

"the free to play bracket wasn't really an option because I already have a pay to play account up."

I'm not sure if Lil mentioned because I'm not reading all that, but the 20-24 bracket contains the "free to play" or "F2P" bracket, you'll be seeing mainly F2Ps and some P2Ps such as yourself.

Sorry, what I meant was that making a free to play character wouldn't really make sense because I already have a pay to play account up so I can make a 24 twink. I think because I was talking about looking at the different bracket section sub-forums on twinkinfo.com, it kind of clouded my mind and caused me to misword it by accident.

What's more pathetic than fanboying a 24 twink guild? Oh yeah, fanboying an overhyped 24 twink guild...



Guardian > Feral. Way more versatile. Immortal Form + Bear Hug 3 second dmg stun for kill. You lose feral's burst but you still have good dmg and decent burst when your bleeds are ticking and you Ferocious Bite for the kill.

What are some guilds that aren't overhyped then? And what servers are they on? Also, thanks for the tip about Guardian druid being viable as not just a flag carrier but as a damage class as well, opens up another option for me.

 

[Voc]

From what you put and seeing as you desire to play in a large guild, i would go destro lock for the insane conflag crits and somewhat decent survivability with the healing talent and drain life, plus healthstones, also have plenty if health potions on hand because that is major self healing right there. However if you decide you are more of a lone wolf, i'd go feral druid for stealth making it possible to pick your fights, and ferals make great efc killers alongside rogues!