Improving The Bracket: "Noobs"

[Yde]

Then my cousing saw me playing this game and he liked it. He joined me , My bro, and my friend. I started to do alot of battleground's and i saw a Holy Paladin called Yde from onyxia i think .
I inspected her and i saw a really cool hat. I was like OMG i want that too. 15 stamina is amazing !
I asked her where to get it and she told me that there was a fishing contest every sunday and i needed to fish in Stragetholm. I told my bro so he was the first that tried it , he had a friend in realm , a lv 85 mage witch i dont remember the name and he asked her for help , where to fish , she told him to fish ONLY IN POOLS so he did , he got his Keefers angelfish and got his lfh , The next week i got mine. Thank You Yde !

I remember that, yay! Yes, Onyxia, although the profile is gone due to inactivity now. ^^

Doing alot of BG's i started to see some guys playing very frequently and had really good skills/health. They was Bisonpower and Kearbear ... seeing their druids and my brother's druid made me create a druid too. Thanks guys !
Etc Etc that was my story !

Your story is an awesome story! So nostalgic, it was usually a nice feeling to pug and see what every-flavour-jelly-bean-teammates one got! And the catchphrases, omg. Lennnnn! - Thundercat! - Aaargh! - Reunited! <3

So, meeting people in BGs who are nice and helpful is such a big part of my memories for this bracket. People may think it's impossible to save or change a bracket, and maybe so, but obviously it's at least possible to meet nice people, give them tips and get back tips on gear and pets and whatnot, get recruited bullied into joining AP and countless other things that mean something to at least one individual person.

And even if you think the bracket cannot be changed, where's the harm in people who have the time and inclination to be helpful to interact with a "noob" and maybe give them the impulse to start searching on their own? And talking is usually more fun for most people than just looking things up in a database!

 

[Snowjobs]

F2p wow is like batman . You either quit the nice guy or play long to see yourself become an asshole. I greatly admire people that have the patience to nurture a new player but sadly I don't have that gift any more . Good luck to anyone trying to help new people on their realm . Just be patient and friendly . 1v1 duels with tips after each cN help a LOT

 

[noobinit]

I really feel its important to raise an issue that no one has brought up. it has bothered me alot since i started playing and have seen others 1) flaming random players 2) ignoring those that ask for help 3) refusing to group with noobs or just going afk on them with BRB when the noob player admits they have no idea what they are doing. SO what am I talking about? You never know the age of the person who is playing a toon. How many of you have considered that you might be chatting with a player who is 7yrs, 8yrs, 10yrs, 12yrs old? I always assume that I could be playing with a kid - and therefore i treat everyone with respect - You Should Too! I am rarely asked for help but when I am, I always try and find out what "level" the player is at. You can usually tell when your talking over their heads. That is an opportunity to ask yourself is this a kid? And treat them with special care - just in case!

I'm editing this based on comments below: How anyone could possibly think this is a game kids shouldn't play is really living in their own special world. Every family has a right to decide what their kids should or shouldn't play. And Kids do JUST want to PLAY - This is a GAME as in not real as in just want to PLAY. Kids don't give a crap about all this supertwink stuff unless they have a competitive mindset. So be OK with that and at least don't flame them or DIS them. You don't want to Mentor - FINE. This thread isn't for you obviously! Your burned out on being mister nice guy - GREAT go kick some butt. Let everyone else have fun too in their own way.

And yes. the idiots out there that spend all their energy badmouthing, trolling, effing other toons - they bother me too so I just ignore them. I got better things to do with my time. YOU KNOW WHY - THIS IS A GAME !

You becoming an asshole just cause everyone else is? Just going with the flow right? Just wait till real life hits you - having a "moral compass" is not about what you do when things are easy. Its about what you do when things are hard. If the game is bringing you down - well baby you gotta long way to go when something really serious happens and you gotta make hard choices. Games are good for that - test your character - the real one !

 

[plomplom]

now to drive my point even further, hopefully this will be the last warcraft essay as im tired of writing them too.

You want to know how the idea of my griefing guide actually got started?

It was back in late 2012, I was still multiboxing shadowpriests on alliance. One of my characters happened to be on Daggerspine, which is CRZ'd with Dunemaul. That was to be Aradiel or Kale's home server.

It wasnt Dunemaul its Dreadmaul. Oceanic realm

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[Srs]

I really feel its important to raise an issue that no one has brought up. it has bothered me alot since i started playing and have seen others 1) flaming random players 2) ignoring those that ask for help 3) refusing to group with noobs or just going afk on them with BRB when the noob player admits they have no idea what they are doing. SO what am I talking about? You never know the age of the person who is playing a toon. How many of you have considered that you might be chatting with a player who is 7yrs, 8yrs, 10yrs, 12yrs old? I always assume that I could be playing with a kid - and therefore i treat everyone with respect - You Should Too! I am rarely asked for help but when I am, I always try and find out what "level" the player is at. You can usually tell when your talking over their heads. That is an opportunity to ask yourself is this a kid? And treat them with special care - just in case!

I agree that every human being should be treated with due respect. However, most of us are here to play a game, a game that children ought not be playing, not to run a daycare for the kids of negligent parents. While I'm not going out of my way to be a bad role model, I think coddling youth by treating them like they are each a special snowflake is the fastest way to raise a generation of solipsistic monsters.

Not that I'm anything great, but when it comes to person's responsibility when playing a game, I think Sir Charles said it best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMzdAZ3TjCA

 

[inoobupro]

Now now don't think ive grown to become a soulless asshole its how ive always played this game. Every mmo works similar to this.

ive helped lots of people in the past with either gold, quests or something along these lines. The worst part-getting called a @#@@!# retard 5 minutes later even if you spent like an hour of your time helping or explaining something even or giving pixel golds . People will view your kindness as a weakness, its just how this game is so why go against the flow. Those players are the foundation and backbone of this game.
You wouldn't see someone making 100k gold in 1 month or scoreboards of 150-0 if it weren't for them. And it happens all the time, 80% of players act are like that when it comes to WoW.




Remember COTUS?? He genuinely tried to help by making threads on how to combat hunters and why to stay out of shit bgs filled with homo 24s. Instead he got flamed, 2 accounts banned and constantly called out.


That's just how it is. While im in no position to call anyone dumb ( im not 2.2k rated which means im still a retard just know how to rotate CC better) and lowered my standards by like 10x times compared to Kale's I mostly use Kale's approach to anything and his was simply ignore the trash - see someone do or say something- genuinely stupid don't even talk or argue /try to help them.

 

[Neon]

I have tried to help new players, they won't do it because they speak a different language and/or simply don't pay attention to chat

Sometimes even resulting in the /fart emote.

 

[Phrontistery]

"Hey X-Quel'Thalas, you should try to queue for a dungeon before entering PvP! You can find lots of good gear!"

X-Quel'Thalas brushes up against you and farts loudly.

X-Quel'Thalas proceeds to pick up flag before I can and loses it for us.

Same with Snowjobs, I lost any tolerance I had for BRs years ago.

 

[Pooh]

"Que?" X-Quel'thalas

 

[Kearbear]

Doing alot of BG's i started to see some guys playing very frequently and had really good skills/health. They was Bisonpower and Kearbear ... seeing their druids and my brother's druid made me create a druid too. Thanks guys !

:O I'm glad I was a small part of the inspiration that lead to your druid Lenny It's really fun when we get matched against each other!

As for me, my pvping started way before f2p was a thing. I remember finding ab/wsg when my sister told me how fun they were, and loving it so much I stopped playing any other part of the game. There I was in WotLK before they separated xp on/off, on a brand new lvl 10 rogue with 100 hp. Someone had to whisper me to tell me (nicely, considering the circumstances) how ineffective I was being, and I resolved not to be useless in a battleground again. Then I went on youtube and saw Painaid's FC video ( below ) and druid flag carrying became the thing I aspired to be good at. Even though they took out most of those jumps, I still use the tips from that thing all the time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4tDfYcjZ_w

 

[NoLemon]

I remember back in TBC when I was keyboard turning. I'd made my first twink (poor, poor 39 bracket), and decided to test my gear (Uldaman runs spring to mind) against some people outside Orgrimmar. I get trodden on by some Undead Rogue, who, instead of laughing at me, says 'Hey, you keyboard turn, don't you?' I was like... 'Yes? Isn't that how everyone does it?' To which he replied 'Look, come over here and I'll make you a better player'. And hence I learned to keybind!

Since then, one of my biggest sources of satisfaction from WoW has been perfecting my keybinds, macros and UI to help me play better.
So I agree! We were all noobs once. (And some of us still are. ;S)

 

[Upswag]

F2p wow is like batman . You either quit the nice guy or play long to see yourself become an asshole. I greatly admire people that have the patience to nurture a new player but sadly I don't have that gift any more . Good luck to anyone trying to help new people on their realm . Just be patient and friendly . 1v1 duels with tips after each cN help a LOT

Fuck man. This is so true. I used to be so nice to people. I spent most of Cata just teaching other F2Ps stuff outside in Durotar. I just can't do it anymore.

 

[Jadyne]

It's true. A lot of us got good by having that one person come over and show us how to start learning. But doing that for people over and over and over uses you up. I've burnt out multiple times, though I've always come back stronger. The only thing I've figured out for sure is that you have to spend some time on yourself, otherwise you will get used up.

 

[Kenny's a Bieetch]

I was lucky to have my 2 best friends irl teach me how to play my first class, a rogue. I had possibly the easiest way to learn the basics through Ventrillo and coaching irl with them binding my keys for me and getting me to buy a Naga mouse. Since then I have no idea how this game would be possible to play competitively with the two button mouse I had previously.

In this bracket, for the classes I play, I have no need for macros and I only use at most 1 macro. Very simple macros such as /Cast Evasion, /Use Lesser Healing Potion. I will never use a Sap macro or similar. The game I played previously Counter Strike 1.6, I played Kreedz, bunny hopping and climbing maps. In the general cs community nearly everybody used scripts, however in Kreedz servers all scripts are illegal and will often be detected and disabled, if you enable them again you may be permanently banned.

I know that Blizzard allows macros and they are fine to use, since at higher levels there are so many spells. I have nothing against macros, but I feel some are rather cheap. At this level I don't think there are many macros that are too OP though, if any.

While playing CS I was lucky enough to be given admin on several servers, and was head admin on at least 3 servers. I liked the privileges of admin but it was also a lot of responsability to have the servers run smoothly and keep everybody happy. It was also another duty to help newcomers in the servers and offer advice and coaching.

Some of the other admins got a bit annoyed having to help all the new players. You may be almost completed a map, or about to break a record and have to drop everything to help somebody new. I would say for every 15-20 people I helped maybe 1-2 of them might stick around popping in occasionally, but maybe 1 of those guys or girls might turn out to become a star.

I had coached at least 3 people that surpassed me in skill and I was happy to be a part of their progress. Even if it meant that they would beat my records, it just meant I would have to lift my game. When they surpassed me, I put them in contact with higher skilled players that could help them further beyond my abilitys.

Some of these things can apply to coaching in WoW. I try to help people in WoW if I am able to, often though i'm just not that much more experienced than they are and can only offer basic help. However I still feel its better to offer some advice if you have the knowledge, rather than to straight up ignore them. If someone asks a question, at least you know they are trying to improve something.

Coaching can be frustrating, especially if you spend hours on somebody and know that most of the time its in vain. Just remember the times when somebody was kind enough to offer you advice when you were a beginner. At least in WoW if you see somebody in a BG, they have spent some time to get their toon there. In CS Kreedz, most new guys are just often curious of the server and are mostly randoms that don't return.

I don't have the time or patience I once had, however if I managed to help people in a game with a higher initial learning and with higher quitting rates. I'm quite sure its possible to help people here on WoW, there is hope. Since WoW is so much more popular than CS, try to recognize the signs of players worthy of your time to not become too emotionally invested in helping an individual. I guess the moral of my story is, don't put all your eggs in one basket.

 

[Yann]

Necro.

Bump.

Etc.


Thought this thread should be brought back. Lot of good info <3

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[Bop]

I know that Blizzard allows macros and they are fine to use, since at higher levels there are so many spells. I have nothing against macros, but I feel some are rather cheap. At this level I don't think there are many macros that are too OP though, if any.

I'm only posting because I would agree with you almost entirely, 99% of all macros are unnecessary and are just a thought-organization tool...

...but I found one a few months back that has let me do some fairly crazy stuff. So I changed my tune in regards to that, hehe :3 #purposelyambiguous

 

[The Saint]

I'm only posting because I would agree with you almost entirely, 99% of all macros are unnecessary and are just a thought-organization tool...

...but I found one a few months back that has let me do some fairly crazy stuff. So I changed my tune in regards to that, hehe :3 #purposelyambiguous

lag macro.

 

[Bop]

lag macro.

Actually no - I don't like doing anything with scripts/macros that wasn't intended by Blizzard. I'm certainly not a Saint in regards to other areas of Blizzard's ToC, but I wouldn't ever want to do anything that would innately put me at an advantage over other players.

Some macros allow you to do things that are simply more efficient than the non-macro'd action - an example could be anti-stealth macros, which tend to be a bit more efficient than tab-targetting a spell cast (which, incidentally, I do anyways).

 

[The Saint]

I'm certainly not a Saint

Only a lucky few are.

But i totally agree. Lag macros are right up there with hunters and premaders.