Tell that to around 50% of the hpals who denounce spam then instant heal for full lol
I'm sorry but this isn't really true.. I see that you play disc so you know how strong penance is. You know very well you have some of the best dmg for a HEALER (me and Izac have been
#1 and 2 in dmg for ab PLENTY of times). Dpriests with mc are very OP imo. It isn't tough to fear/bubble/penance/heal then dmg until you need to rebubble. I would agree that holy would be middle of the line but penance is one of if not the strongest dmging spell a HEALER has (behind maybe denounce) so Dpriests in noway can be considered middle of the line imo.
I think we have a different definition of "facerolling". To me facerolling is a spec beig able to steamroling others with little effort. A Disc does not play this way. You need to know what you are doing, you cant just roll a fresh Disc and 2 shot everything like you can with 24 SP.
I'm not an expert player, nor am I any good. But i do speak from experience.
While Pen does some nice damage it isn't enough that someone will no knowledge on a Disc can just go and dominate everyone. If that where true I'd see more Disc players. Also you can shut down a Disc, Pen is channeled while you can fake cast and what not, you cant avoid a Pally Shield, War Charge, HoJ, Pally Silence or Spellsteals etc. Not only do you need to channel the entire spell, they also need to be in range to take all 3 shots.
I'm not saying you're wrong, im just saying you're exaggerating a little on Pen. Strong as it maybe seem, it can be easy to stop.
Now with DM (which i have loved before the buffs) you're half right. In the right hands its powerful but its in no way OP. SS is OP, not DM.
While I must commend you for seeing it potential (because people rarely do) i must remind you DM is also a channeled spell. Not only is it channel for the whole duration, you also lose control of your toon. Yes the cast to start it is fast, yes the range is long, but it is easy to counter. Unless you are on LM hehe.
The applications for DM are numerous, but it is in no way OP. There are only a few people i know who use DM to its full potential. Most people just spam it for LM jumping.
In fact i remember reading a post where everyone pretty much picked Void or Psy with little to no regard for DM. But back to the point, DM can only be OP if it was instant or had a longer timer. But as DM stands, its only as powerful as the person using it. And trust me there aren't a lot of people who use it well.
And lets not forget about the DM DC bug, where you tryin to DM a person and as soon as you do you DC. Ask Izac, he knows. I have had it happen too many times to me, but only because i use DM more then others. You ever seen someone DC for using HoJ or SS? i think not.
Sorry feels like i got off track there.
Your other comment about it not being difficult to " fear/bubble/penance/heal then dmg until you need to rebubble" while it looks easy on paper its not that simple now that Hit is bugged.
I have had numerous times where fear has failed. Fearing 5 people and it misses 3 of them, Bubbling asap then tryin to heal only to see i get stunned, silenced then stunned again. 5mins for a trinket seems like forever in PvP.
All my offensive spells have a higher chance to miss now, spells that shouldn't miss do. Like Holy Fire, Smite, Fear and AT. When AT or Fear doesn't work because of a bug it makes it harder to expect things to happen the way they should. If i hit AT i should expect it to silence someone and not miss on the 2 people.
Anyways getting back to things, Disc while not gimped, aren't that above the middle pack as you may think. Also remember, we are the ONLY healers who have to stand still just to heal, PWS isn't counted as it mitigates damage. Its not like we can just spam it all day, there's the debuff we have to wait on too. We also have no movement speed buffs like all other healers do. we are pretty much standing targets compared to other healers. We cant purge, use HoTs or instant heals, click for a movement speed boost so i don't know how you can say we are above the middle. We have DM, all other spells that make a priest nice are spec specific. But the other healers have all there utility regardless what spec they roll. Maybe not Prot Pallys.
Perhaps the exceptional players you play with may make you think that, but in general its not the case. Plus we are getting a Pen nerf so even more so in 5.3.
THis is longer then i wanted, but i just wanted to show the finer details. Priests are fun and in no way THAT gimped, but they aren't some wrecking ball of terror.
I'd still put them in the middle. Give me my HIt back and up up the tier chart we go.
