If 5.4 enchants turn out the worse possible for F2PS, will you stay?

Will you stay?

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SallyG said:
This is where you and I will differ... Most of my *good* games (competitive games) come from playing against some of the better P2Ps, 24s in particular (few and far between, I know). So I don't see that as a real negative. If they all ponied up and did wargames that would be even better, but meh.
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You remember the holy shock days right..? That's all I see from these enchants.. I've stayed relatively quiet until now about 5.4 and just said "this is ptr not live so stop worrying" however thought I'd give my opinion on it in this thread.. If rogues get 90 agi and 22 haste from moongoose baddies like hb will be able to crutch even more then he does now. If spriests get those 162 int spocs (I think that's it?) they will literally 1 shot anything in sight (as if they don't already). If the chants don't get scaled down to more then 1-60 it will for SURE be the end of the little competitiveness of this bracket and any1 who argues from here on out I will just ignore cause they will have no reasonable argument otherwise.


There was no competitveness in 5.0 wrath of hpals. It was just baddies 1 shotting people over and over to where you would see 15+ hpals per bg. That is all I see atm from this ptr. 10+ baddy 24s per bg crutching and 1 shotting everything in sight. The ONLY reason 24s have slightly decreased lately imo is cause scaling and they can't pay to faceroll.. It's not because they had a moral ophifiony and decided to stop crutching, it's just cause they couldn't crutch as effectively. If 5.4 goes like this there will be a mass increase of baddy 24s coming to 1 shot things and a mass exit of f2ps whos fed up with it (most will probably be somewhat decent) so more baddys will come and we will have less good f2ps meaning less competitiveness..


The only thing to save us and keep this bracket alive and fun will be if SO MANY 24s come to faceroll and they start getting 24 vs 24 bgs (OHEMGEE A FAIR FIGHT) and that causes some 24s to leave cause they aren't beating up on f2ps. Other then that if ptr goes live I think for sure this bracket will take a huge hit and people can't comprehend atm how much worse it will be.. I made my opinion and I used datamining stuff from a 3 week old PTR and that is all I have to say. If PTR goes live I am undecided if I am going to stay and suffer or leave cause it's just 2 much bs. That is all
 
Most 24 rollin hord. if u play hord, what do u need to worry about...
 
If this goes live as is Blizz won't need to be worrying about what f2ps will do, it's what everyone else will do. Personally if I was subbed I wouldn't bother with 24s, if you want an easy time facerolling it would be far more fun to go into leveling brackets with enchanted BoAs and smack the crap out of the noobs that play there. Plenty of P2p probably will do that, and the game will be hell for people just starting bgs (well, more hell than it was before), and they can say goodbye to more of those subs they're leaking.

As for me, I'll play if it's worth it, and do something else if it's not.
 
Kearbear said:
If this goes live as is Blizz won't need to be worrying about what f2ps will do, it's what everyone else will do. Personally if I was subbed I wouldn't bother with 24s, if you want an easy time facerolling it would be far more fun to go into leveling brackets with enchanted BoAs and smack the crap out of the noobs that play there. Plenty of P2p probably will do that, and the game will be hell for people just starting bgs (well, more hell than it was before), and they can say goodbye to more of those subs they're leaking.

As for me, I'll play if it's worth it, and do something else if it's not.
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Not even that but the 80-84 bracket is even worse than the trial account bracket is. MoP twinks have 200k hp, while the wrath twinks has 60-70k maybe.
 
I dont think its gettin too worse with the 5.4 changes regarding enchants. Right now every p2p can enchant Crusader (100str procc, which is up nearly 80 percent), 35 attack power and whatnot. Dancing Steel, Windsong etc will somehow be in the same manner, i just dont see a big difference there.

The biggest changes will/would be scaling of abilities as the beforementioned Holy shock. So i will stay calm and look, how the overall class changes will turn out. Thing is, i really like f2p twinking (have a p2p acc as well) and nothing is more rewarding than beating 1-3 24s despite their way better enchants. Whats the point of pvp, if everybody is oneshotting. This is not Counterstrike.

Even if I´d play a p2p lvl 20-24 twink, i wouldnt use overpowered enchants. I like to get a reward for good gameplay and there´s naturally also much greater respect for a underdog owning people. I will deal with it, no matter how it turns out.


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Jades said:
I dont think its gettin too worse with the 5.4 changes regarding enchants. Right now every p2p can enchant Crusader (100str procc, which is up nearly 80 percent), 35 attack power and whatnot. Dancing Steel, Windsong etc will somehow be in the same manner, i just dont see a big difference there.

The biggest changes will/would be scaling of abilities as the beforementioned Holy shock. So i will stay calm and look, how the overall class changes will turn out. Thing is, i really like f2p twinking (have a p2p acc as well) and nothing is more rewarding than beating 1-3 24s despite their way better enchants. Whats the point of pvp, if everybody is oneshotting. This is not Counterstrike.

Even if I´d play a p2p lvl 20-24 twink, i wouldnt use overpowered enchants. I like to get a reward for good gameplay and there´s naturally also much greater respect for a underdog owning people. I will deal with it, no matter how it turns out.


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Sad to say I would definitely disappear. At least with previous imbalances like the holy shock, you knew it would eventually be fixed. This patch going through will forever ruin things for f2p. This is going to be the final straw that broke the camel's back for me. Disgusting. Things looked so good with 5.3 (except huntards), only to be destroyed by 5.4. /spit
 
Well they will fix enchanting scaling, just like they fixed tailoring cloak enchant in early mop.
Once again...

This game is like food, all you do is eat. Blizzard still has to cook and do the dishes. The cooking went badly so it will taste bad when you eat it. Lets just hang in there until Blizz does the dishes.
 
Hello.

I'm worried about this enchant change in 5.4 and the effect it might have on low level pvp on the whole.

I started playing as a fully heirloom/enchanted 24 before the scaling was introduced, and felt like a baddie for having 1k more health than the rest of the field. I then joined the f2p and been having loads of fun even though I play one of the scum classes.

Are the changes really pointing to BG's fully of heavy enchanted rogues/hunters with some of the buffs they are getting?
 
So long as 24's back pedal enough to get wrecked by most any half-ass-decent f2p, the bracket will never die.
 
A back pedaling hunter can still put out quite a lot of damage though, and what I fear is some classes are going to become too powerful that even baddies can blow you up thanks to high end enchants. Because enchants = skill™.

Look at rogues for example:

Talents: Nightstalker now increases damage dealt by abilities while stealthed by 50%, up from 25%.

Add all the extra attack power you can gain from the new enchants and I think they will be a few clothies feeling the pain of abushes.
 
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What worries me most is a P2P rogue with 2 Colossus.

I was just on my main (rogue) and apparently, each tick of recuperate has a chance to proc either colossus enchants.

So you would run into P2P rogues who have constantly two shields of 281 up.
 
Annabelle said:
What worries me most is a P2P rogue with 2 Colossus.

I was just on my main (rogue) and apparently, each tick of recuperate has a chance to proc either colossus enchants.

So you would run into P2P rogues who have constantly two shields of 281 up.
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No, serioulsy, no 24 rogue (remember, they are all about ganking in 2 shots) would use a defensive enchant (that procs off a defensive ability).
 
So I've had a 24 twink warrior for over 2 years now and in the beginning I was having a blast! for someone like me who had spent 3 yrs in pve, tried and sucked at end game pvp, It felt god like wrecking 2-3 people at a time as a 24 and yes I farmed back in the day \0/

As time went on I made friends with both 20's and 24's, it was the people that where rolling 20's that where like hey! why not try a 20 twink? so I did and it suck! well I did, and stopped.
Then came the point where Bg's 90% of the time where just dance parties, running around naked and 3 capping in 5 mins, I got bored of this so I started a 20 again and got hooked!!
Being on the other side of the fence and seeing things from a F2P 20 has made me see 24's that vs F2P 20's in a different way, you know like an out of body experience thing.

I know people say well you chose to be at a disadvantage, I like to call it a level playing field (beside class imbalance's) I use to play with an advantage and got board!!
never played a 19 not sure what ques are like, but why don't 24's play in that bracket? you still have all your enchants and perks plus, would be more of a challenge.
And hey some of the best games is where a full team of 20's beats a team with 2-4 24's.

Will this patch kill the bracket? I doubt it, maybe a decrease in F2P's increased P2P's or a shift in class representation.
And if there is an increase in 24's or P2P 20's hopefully there will be more P2P vs P2P premade's I miss those days =( bring back horde invasion and extended trial =D

TL;DR MMO's that are being released now, are all if not most, use F2P models with cash shops, Blizzard must be able to see the overall F2P % base why not add cash shops!
For example if you could faction change, server change would you? if you could unlock the AH, enchants ect would you? food for thought.

F2P is the future =D


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