Bloodinhoo
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Stop casting polymorph, u suker, i'm trying to not being a sheep and follow mah dreams
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Stop casting polymorph, u suker, i'm trying to not being a sheep and follow mah dreams
Kincaide
Legend
Sorry Neon buddy, truth is subjective. Someone once famously said "your focus determines your reality".
Nobody owns any bracket. 29s are fortunate that they get lots of pops now, and we're fortunate that Blizzard created the F2P model. I find gratitude to be an impressive human quality, and I find its opposite--entitlement--to be rather repulsive. Just food for thought, for all of us.
Neon
Trying pure f2p
29s are part of the problem, they are fortunate they get to faceroll clutter. I guess we each have different methods of fun, competition there is none.
Kincaide
Legend
From my perspective / experience, there is no faceroll anymore. I really can't imagine why you're still getting facerolled. I gotta go to bed, but, just try to appreciate what you have.
Neon
Trying pure f2p
You wouldn't understand competition runs through my veins.
Neon
Trying pure f2p
Your part of the problem, I just can't take you srsly.
Neon
Trying pure f2p
Post a screenshot where you have me logged into the game.
Shaket
Legend
So you figure you're going to not play the game (complete with announcement), and tell people what they must do in "your" bracket (that you quit), even to the point of rerolling toons to your own personal little set of rules, and you're still completely oblivious as to why you are failing, competitively speaking.
You keep this up & you'll be out of a spot on the podium.
You keep this up & you'll be out of a spot on the podium.
willix
Legend
Kincade said:
I agree. Mind if I tell you guys a little story?
Once upon a time BGs were much simpler. The brackets were divided by intervals of 10, making up the 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, 40-49, ect (there was a time before than when things were 10-20, 21-30, 31-40,ect, but we won't get into that). During those times, BGs weren't segregated and they didn't reward experience. Very few people actually did BGs because you were basically pausing your character's progression to do them, often time for very trivial rewards.
The people who did do BGs, fell into two categories: twinks, and people who queued up for BGs just to see what they're like. We call those people looky-loos. You know, the kind of people who will drive really slow by an accident just to see what's going on. Back then, twinking was about three things:
1. Recognizing there's a handicap between people who have the best items available and those who don't.
2. Overcoming said handicap by getting the best items available.
3. Competing against those players in fair and balanced pvp.
You see, 29s used to face level 20 players in BGs all day long. And level 22 players, level 25 players. Players with half their gear slots missing or full of white items. Players with unspent talents and unlearned spell ranks. Occasionally, we'd run into a player who has his level 21 character completely decked out in chants and random blue gear. Try as they might, they would not be able to compete with actual twinks because they lacked the levels, gear, enchants, ability ranks, and talents needed to be competitive. In short, they were the bottom feeders of the twinking brackets and people treated them as such.
Nevertheless, these players would fill BG chat with insults aimed at those who actually worked to obtain the best stuff possible for their toons, and the forums were filled with drama started by these insults. We called these players non-twinks, because they simply didn't have the spirit of a twink, and certainly didn't put effort into making actual twinks. Instead, they opted to complain about twinks ruining their BGs. They pined for games where twinks weren't allowed to exist, where they could just 'have fun,' completely ignoring the fact that they could get all the same items that a twink could get.
That the only thing holding those players back was their own ignorance and stubborn refusal to play the game the way it was intended to be played.
Fast forward to the current state of affairs. Where twinking has been through a wild ride of expansion content and face lifts, but still comes down to those three things I mentioned before:
1. Recognizing there's a handicap between people who have the best items available and those who don't.
2. Overcoming said handicap by getting the best items available.
3. Competing against those players in fair and balanced pvp.
We're back to where things used to be, we've come full circle. Except the people complaining about 'twinks' want to call themselves twinks, even though they aren't living up to the spirit of twinking. They aren't trying to get the best items available in their bracket. They are flat out ignoring the handicap that exists between them and actual twinks, instead calling them names and filling up the forums with posts about how twinks are ruining things.
Now that the past is repeating itself, I'm going to tell you what I used to tell the bottom feeders we dealt with back then: we are 29s. We exist as the twinks of this bracket. We are here to compete with other 29s. You can eliminate your handicap by buying the full game and leveling to 29, obtaining all the same items that we 29s can obtain.
You can become twinks, and fight us on equal terms. Otherwise, you've doomed yourselves to being fodder to the biggest fish in the pond, scaling or not. I won't feel pity for those who make the wrong decision, nor will I slow down as I travel over the speed bumps they become.
And the BiS 29s lived happily ever after!
The End.
Bloodinhoo
Legend
That's a blatantly lie. If that was true, the twinking community wouldn't die after xp-offs. Don't even come with this joke. Twinking always was about beating the everliving crap outta people who know less. Since wow were growing ever since vanilla xpac, you guys always had a batch of fresh corpses. There's a reason why twinking is hated on vanilla private servers. They screw leveling progression, and the newblood that already have to deal with the harshness of vanilla. If anything you guys werent JACK about competition.
But i'll follow what Upswag said and raise my shield against bullcrap now.
Neon
Trying pure f2p
Do what you want but I already know I would be one of the best 29s if I rolled one, the reason I am 20 is because I strive for competitiveness, in a bracket where all the respectable players are f2p, coming in with unobtainable things just takes the skill right out of it.
If the spirit of twinking is to gank people, then I guess I am not a twink.
My dream is for a bracket of all twinks the same level with competitive games that leave you on the edge of the seat.
I don't want to be that guy ruining it for everyone while I fight like 2 mediocre 29s each bg looking for a challenge and never finding one.
Rai
Legend
You missed a bracket or four(I didnt), 59s, 10s, 19s, 80s, but I guess EU has a different meaning for "all xp off brackets".
Interesting.
"the p2p's need the f2p's...thats the truth" -- Do you understand exactly how many f2ps we needed to get the Gilneas games that we've had this past week?[/QUOTE]
10s and 19s are the same bracket..in the time when i play and in this bracket i never play real
same 59s, maybe i play there 6-7k hk..so i dont talk about this
80s was no low lvl bracket in WotlK.
in cata i only play the first seson on 85...after i freez my main acc
and..wtf
no1 care abot that gilneas..fcking bashin copy.
and the truth is...Paul Pierce!
Celtics for eva!!
kk 1 thing from the usa what interesting me..da NBA
Interesting.
"the p2p's need the f2p's...thats the truth" -- Do you understand exactly how many f2ps we needed to get the Gilneas games that we've had this past week?[/QUOTE]
10s and 19s are the same bracket..in the time when i play and in this bracket i never play real
same 59s, maybe i play there 6-7k hk..so i dont talk about this
80s was no low lvl bracket in WotlK.
in cata i only play the first seson on 85...after i freez my main acc
and..wtf
no1 care abot that gilneas..fcking bashin copy.and the truth is...Paul Pierce!
Celtics for eva!!
kk 1 thing from the usa what interesting me..da NBA
willix
Legend
Yup, just throw your hands in the air because you refuse to obtain the same stuff to be competitive. There aren't any truly unobtainable items (outside of the few GF items that still matter), you just don't want to buy game/level to 29 to get them. Let's be perfectly clear that it's a personal 'want' issue, not a game design issue.
Neon said:
You're not a twink because you insist on gimping yourself at level 20 instead of getting on our level. 'Ganking' has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. We've been playing 29 vs 29 for years now, just because you've been put into the same bracket by Blizzard doesn't mean our intentions all of a sudden become about ganking. We still want competitive games between 29s. We just don't give a damn about 20s because they refuse to do what it takes to be competitive.
Neon said:
That will never happen with F2Ps, it was never the case when starter accounts were first created, and it never will be so long as level 20 is the starter account limit and put into the same bracket with higher level players. You will always be the bottom of someone else's bracket. You need to accept that and move on.
Neon}I don't want to be that guy ruining it for everyone while I fight like 2 mediocre 29s each bg looking for a challenge and never finding one.[/QUOTE said:'
Ruining what, exactly? A terrible bracket where bottom feeders have fed on new players who aren't even aware of twinking? Yeah, wouldn't want to ruin that paradise.
Neon
Trying pure f2p
Yup, just throw your hands in the air because you refuse to obtain the same stuff to be competitive. There aren't any truly unobtainable items (outside of the few GF items that still matter), you just don't want to buy game/level to 29 to get them. Let's be perfectly clear that it's a personal 'want' issue, not a game design issue.
You're not a twink because you insist on gimping yourself at level 20 instead of getting on our level. 'Ganking' has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. We've been playing 29 vs 29 for years now, just because you've been put into the same bracket by Blizzard doesn't mean our intentions all of a sudden become about ganking. We still want competitive games between 29s. We just don't give a damn about 20s because they refuse to do what it takes to be competitive.
That will never happen with F2Ps, it was never the case when starter accounts were first created, and it never will be so long as level 20 is the starter account limit and put into the same bracket with higher level players. You will always be the bottom of someone else's bracket. You need to accept that and move on.
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Ruining what, exactly? A terrible bracket where bottom feeders have fed on new players who aren't even aware of twinking? Yeah, wouldn't want to ruin that paradise.
Why don't you get on the majority of the brackets level, instead of facerolling through the majority of the bracket to find competition that is where I am very lost.
I do not intentially gimp myself, I play with the rules that the majority of the bracket uses.
I don't think 29s are here to ganks us (most are though) but don't you think it would be easier to get competitive games if all the good players played on the same playing field, as the majority of the bracket?
I never said it would happen to f2ps but if it ever did happen in another bracket I would leave in a heartbeat.
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Neon
Trying pure f2p
Because that's the weak way out.
Kristhoper
Legend
3-4 av games a day feels kinda worth it considering you needa wait 1hour for a pop
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Rai
Legend
not real, in bg for me all is fine.
i would say..it is time to delete xp off.
u can let start ALL in 1 ground...
dont care he do xp off twink..trial..normal loom toon or new ( lol ) player.
just 2 things
push glyphs to lvl 30 or to lvl 20, so that every1 in a bracket can use it
second part...scaling in arena like bgs..but this part will come
atm i say for trials is the best time ever, if blizzard fix the fcking que
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