Hunter Monkey vs Agi
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Groenboompje
Banned
No, more dmg means higher burst. Not more burst.
Because i have it already on 24? why would i level my p2p 20 also to 24... makes no sense having 2 24 hunters and still you don't get it, why would i need cs when i have already 2 interrupts which i don't even need to use (rare occasion) cause hunter hit so hard... Why would i want to take cs over more dps and having 2 interrupts already... it makes no sense.
tbh rest of your post is just trying to put words in my mouth which i will ignore, silly prejudice.
Same with this, it makes no sense cause you already have 2 interrupts. It simply has nothing to do with our mindset of team play or not. Why would i sacrefice dps over a 3rd interrupt? what makes having a 3rd so much better then having more dps at 20 which a healer has a very very hard time to heal if he is even able to heal the dmg in the first place. Why would having 3 interrupts makes winning competative games more easy then having more dps and 2 interrupts... I could understand why people want a 3rd if they were some kind of handicapped hunter player.
Cs is just an overkill tool for bad hunters with a l2play problem. We never needed it before why would we need it now after this buff in dmg and nerf in healing beats me.
Groenboompje
Banned
Have you tried it? I have. I wouldn't say minuscule. Go and experiment for your self first then claiming things like this.
Groenboompje
Banned
You wont
It is more fun to see people trying to theory craft on forums then actually doing experiments in game.
Groenboompje
Banned
Because there is no contradiction. You mix stuff up and make a whole new story out of it.
Why would I say something I am not. That I chose more dmg over a 3rd interrupt I don't need is the obvious twinking choice.
If you are to lazy to experiment... well i can't help you with that.
Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
Counter shot is the best of the 3 interrupts, due to its cool down, range, reliability, and lockout. Pet interrupt is unreliable and requires a trade off, and scatter shot is short range and without a lockout. It is really a hunter's first interrupt. But hey, if you want to purposely weaken yourself, be my guest.
Glissade
Legend
Not saying who is right or wrong, but I have a 20 hunter which I don't plan on leveling because I kill 24s hunters easily, so something is off with them. I kill most healers in one global. They don't even have time to react most times. I can't see myself wasting time using counter shot, best interrupt or not. I have no data or anything, just experience. As for making myself weak....lol are you sure we are playing the same game?
20 Shaman-Perplex, 20 Hunter-Zomax, 20 Mage-Glissade, 20 Warlock-Octopusy
20 Shaman-Perplex, 20 Hunter-Zomax, 20 Mage-Glissade, 20 Warlock-Octopusy
Groenboompje
Banned
Ah ok so if i have more dps i am weakening myself and going 24 for cs (which i dont even need to use) with lesser dps makes me stronger.
Thx for the advice forum theory crafter.
Honey Badger
OG
I prefer 24s over 20-23. I like having a target on my back. I had a 20 under a different name no fun flying under the radar but thats me.
Juicie
OG
Counter Shot is going to be better for actual competitive games no matter what anyone says period. I've been twinking since 2005 and I have also done rated battlegrounds at 2600 MMR. I have a slight idea of what I'm talking about when it comes to games where you actually have to play hard and coordinate with teammates to bring down FCs, assault nodes, etc.
Sure if you are just running up on people and killing them you don't need Counter Shot. In a real competitive game with geared healers, a tank, damage, and proper strats being employed...you are weakening your team's chances of victory by not having Counter Shot. Not saying you are weakening your damage. There is a huge difference.
A game can come down to one single heal or spell being cast and no amount of extra damage is going to help you in a scenario like that.
If a 10v10 premade WSG was set up between two guilds of equal skill, and you were playing hunter on one of those teams, would you still pass on Counter Shot?
Sure if you are just running up on people and killing them you don't need Counter Shot. In a real competitive game with geared healers, a tank, damage, and proper strats being employed...you are weakening your team's chances of victory by not having Counter Shot. Not saying you are weakening your damage. There is a huge difference.
A game can come down to one single heal or spell being cast and no amount of extra damage is going to help you in a scenario like that.
If a 10v10 premade WSG was set up between two guilds of equal skill, and you were playing hunter on one of those teams, would you still pass on Counter Shot?
Groenboompje
Banned
Endgame pvp is totally the same as this bracket, I am amazed you are able to see that mr rbg 2600 mmr and twinker since 2005.
Healing is to low and dmg to high if you didn't knew for this bracket, we defo need cs in this case next to 2 (3) interrupts when bg's don't even contain 40% casters!
/sarcasm off
Experiment and play is the only way to determine what is best. Seems none of you actually did and just forum theory craft all of this otherwise you would have given my experienced theory a thumbs up. Hunters never had cs and don't need it now. Premades don't happen so no real competative games not to mention the games unbalance.
Wake up, this game and bracket has changed with 5.4 twinkers! It's not like holy pally, resto druids, resto shamans or priests can stand and outheal hunter dps! Those days are over.
Juicie
OG
Where did I say PvP is the same in this bracket as end game? I don't even have a level 90. I just came back to the game. Was just saying you can put some stock in what I say, since I have the years upon years of experience to back it up. I used to set up 10v10 WSG matches in the 19 bracket all the time.
You still didn't answer the question at the end of my previous post. Instead you rambled about nothing then made up something about me saying end game PvP and 20-24 PvP are identical.
You still didn't answer the question at the end of my previous post. Instead you rambled about nothing then made up something about me saying end game PvP and 20-24 PvP are identical.
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Honey Badger
OG
Wtb screen shot of lvl 20 p2p hunter in bg with scaling. SS or gtfo.
Juicie
OG
He isn't gonna show you any of his characters for a number of reasons. He is quite the comedian though. Some of the things he says are the funniest quotes I've ever read in regards to twinking. The one about healing being too low was a priceless gem. Also insinuating that theory crafting has anything to do with a simple choice of taking Counter Shot or not in the 20-24 bracket, gave me quite a chuckle.
#ko
Legend
Okay i took the time to stop my hunter im lvling to 24 at 20 to test the scaling... assuming u use boas( laf if u dont) ...
u may use something else.. but this is whats going to give u the most offensive stats
Scaling vs Bis 24 hunter
Head -boa- -boa- (same)
Neck -scouts - -scouts- (+1 agi)
Back -satchel- -jungle- (-2 crit)
Shoulder -boa- -boa- (same)
Chest -boa- -boa- (same)
Bracer -serrakis- -emis of agi- (-3 agi +6 stam) could use black wolf (-5 agi +4 crit + 5 stam)
Gloves -naga- -ashen- (+1 agi -4 crit +4 stam)
Belt -satchel- -satchel- (+1agi +1 crit +1 stam)
Legs -boa- -boa- (same)
Feet -lynx- -prison- (+2 agi +1 stam) could use cobrahns ( -4agi +4 cirt +2 stam )
Ring 1 -argas- -charged agi- (-2 agi +3 stam)
Ring 2 -ring of precision- -charged agi- ( -2agi +3 hit )
Wep -Naga- -glass shooter- ( +4 agi - .03 dps )
Total stat difference
( + 2 agi -5 crit +15 stam +3 hit )
Counter shot is by far more beneficial
not to mention cheetah (a good hunter should always have combat bug and never mount anyways so cheetah is essential for mobility)
and with counter shot u dont have to use a pet with an interrupt and are free to use hyena (10% haste) wolf (5% cirt) which = even more dps... or Scorpid (8 sec disarm) for some defense
Sorry to say but ppl who think 20 is better are obviously clueless to say the least
u may use something else.. but this is whats going to give u the most offensive stats
Scaling vs Bis 24 hunter
Head -boa- -boa- (same)
Neck -scouts - -scouts- (+1 agi)
Back -satchel- -jungle- (-2 crit)
Shoulder -boa- -boa- (same)
Chest -boa- -boa- (same)
Bracer -serrakis- -emis of agi- (-3 agi +6 stam) could use black wolf (-5 agi +4 crit + 5 stam)
Gloves -naga- -ashen- (+1 agi -4 crit +4 stam)
Belt -satchel- -satchel- (+1agi +1 crit +1 stam)
Legs -boa- -boa- (same)
Feet -lynx- -prison- (+2 agi +1 stam) could use cobrahns ( -4agi +4 cirt +2 stam )
Ring 1 -argas- -charged agi- (-2 agi +3 stam)
Ring 2 -ring of precision- -charged agi- ( -2agi +3 hit )
Wep -Naga- -glass shooter- ( +4 agi - .03 dps )
Total stat difference
( + 2 agi -5 crit +15 stam +3 hit )
Counter shot is by far more beneficial
not to mention cheetah (a good hunter should always have combat bug and never mount anyways so cheetah is essential for mobility)
and with counter shot u dont have to use a pet with an interrupt and are free to use hyena (10% haste) wolf (5% cirt) which = even more dps... or Scorpid (8 sec disarm) for some defense
Sorry to say but ppl who think 20 is better are obviously clueless to say the least
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