How to fix 26% spell miss chance!

[Dax]

This thread must not die. I want to play my casters again, but it's impossible since any faceroller rogue can kill me because i'll miss every novas and sheeps.

 

[fearmypriest]

Get Hit rating

 

[Hashbrowns]

I tried doing some test tonight after forgetting how to juke and getting dropped by Deadvulcano. GG anyways

My sample sizes are just too small to really conclude anything. Speced Arcane and spammed Frostfire bolt, testing the miss is class specific theory. 20.8% miss with 0 hit, but again the sample is small.
I opened a ticket this time instead of a bug report but ran out of room quickly trying to explain everything. But at least I'll get a written response this time.

I can confirm everything is fine outside of a BG. Frost mage (0 hit ratting) with 250 sheep casts on a PvE lvl 20 mob was 17 misses (6.8% miss) I assume that will go to 6 with a larger sample. So it is for sure a BG problem.

Has anyone gone Arcane with 6% hit and notice their sheeps hit just fine?

 

[Velius]

I tried doing some test tonight after forgetting how to juke and getting dropped by Deadvulcano. GG anyways

My sample sizes are just too small to really conclude anything. Speced Arcane and spammed Frostfire bolt, testing the miss is class specific theory. 20.8% miss with 0 hit, but again the sample is small.
I opened a ticket this time instead of a bug report but ran out of room quickly trying to explain everything. But at least I'll get a written response this time.

I can confirm everything is fine outside of a BG. Frost mage (0 hit ratting) with 250 sheep casts on a PvE lvl 20 mob was 17 misses (6.8% miss) I assume that will go to 6 with a larger sample. So it is for sure a BG problem.

Has anyone gone Arcane with 6% hit and notice their sheeps hit just fine?

It's off-spec spells that are glitched. Sheep is arcane.

 

[Hashbrowns]

It's off-spec spells that are glitched. Sheep is arcane.

Right, that's why I was wondering if anyone had noticed it.

Larger sample sizes inc tonight to add some credibility to my ticket results. Will post their response.

 

[Deadvulcano]

I tried doing some test tonight after forgetting how to juke and getting dropped by Deadvulcano. GG anyways

My sample sizes are just too small to really conclude anything. Speced Arcane and spammed Frostfire bolt, testing the miss is class specific theory. 20.8% miss with 0 hit, but again the sample is small.
I opened a ticket this time instead of a bug report but ran out of room quickly trying to explain everything. But at least I'll get a written response this time.

I can confirm everything is fine outside of a BG. Frost mage (0 hit ratting) with 250 sheep casts on a PvE lvl 20 mob was 17 misses (6.8% miss) I assume that will go to 6 with a larger sample. So it is for sure a BG problem.

Has anyone gone Arcane with 6% hit and notice their sheeps hit just fine?

Nothing pains me more than the sound of undead dying, sorry.

The problem is explained very thoroughly in my bug report, but arcane will still notice sheep missing. Sheep is a class specific spell rather than a specialization spell. For this reason the bug that affects non-spec specific spells affects sheep. You will see sheep missing 26% of the time if you run zero hit for ~1k casts. My most recent video, which is also linked in the bug report, shows that sheep is missing in arcane spec while on a hit capped character.

 

[Sabzep]

It is not off spec spells that are affected but base spells. Spells you have when you do not chose a spec. That means for an arcane/any mage sheep is affected and for a frost/any mage frost nova, but not pet freeze. Paladins for example have the same problem with their "Hammer of Justice" you just don't hear them complaining, because they are still op. It seems like deadvulcano said and my own experience confirms this: All base spells ( Sheep, frost nova, arcane explosion and frostfire bolt) are treated as if we are level 20 and enemy's are level 24. That's why we have about a 20% miss rate. 26% against 24 minus about 6 % from your regular hitcap.

 

[Deadvulcano]

Non-specialization spells are base spells. Two other available terms are "spell school" and "core spells", but the problem has nothing to do with either of these. Although, frequently core spells overlap with specialization spells. level 3 funny

 

[Gartahwa]

It's off-spec spells that are glitched. Sheep is arcane.

i disagree with this....and it's a solid point to discuss. it seems that the hit "glitch" has been restricted to CC spells. whether they be HoJ on pally or sheep on mage. i dont really expect them to restore us to a +12 spell hit cap, but this seemingly deliberate focus on CC appears intended (at least for 5.2).

of course, my evidence is all anecdotal/experience based. hard data would be both appreciated and harder to ignore for the dev team.

 

[bigdip]

It is not off spec spells that are affected but base spells. Spells you have when you do not chose a spec. That means for an arcane/any mage sheep is affected and for a frost/any mage frost nova, but not pet freeze. Paladins for example have the same problem with their "Hammer of Justice" you just don't hear them complaining, because they are still op. It seems like deadvulcano said and my own experience confirms this: All base spells ( Sheep, frost nova, arcane explosion and frostfire bolt) are treated as if we are level 20 and enemy's are level 24. That's why we have about a 20% miss rate. 26% against 24 minus about 6 % from your regular hitcap.

Yep, Thunderstorm never misses for me as ele spec. But everything else misses for me. I wince every time purge misses, I hate seeing those resto druids running around unattended.

 

[Velius]

It is not off spec spells that are affected but base spells. Spells you have when you do not chose a spec. That means for an arcane/any mage sheep is affected and for a frost/any mage frost nova, but not pet freeze. Paladins for example have the same problem with their "Hammer of Justice" you just don't hear them complaining, because they are still op. It seems like deadvulcano said and my own experience confirms this: All base spells ( Sheep, frost nova, arcane explosion and frostfire bolt) are treated as if we are level 20 and enemy's are level 24. That's why we have about a 20% miss rate. 26% against 24 minus about 6 % from your regular hitcap.

Thanks for clarifying, All the seemingly reliable information said that it was off-spec spells.

 

[Alucárds]

Hopefully they will fix it soon

 

[Rotten Brain]

just open ticket(write my version + additional question) and get an answer the next day,
funny is I got this:

However, with the implementation of our 5.2 battle-ground scaling, only specialization spells always hit while non-specialization spells frequently miss.

Using a character at the bottom of the Battleground bracket as you are, makes the spell hit scaling problem more pronounced. It is more pronounced because a level 20 needs 26% spell hit to hit a level 24 under normal conditions.

unhappy with the answer, I click need more help
the next gm claim he understand my frustration and:

I did some digging into this for you and it looks like we’ve had a few reports from other players about this same issue. As that's the case, we have our QA team currently looking in to it. What I can do for you is forward your information up to them so that they have more data to go by. It definitely never hurts to have too much info! =)

What happens from here is they will continue to gather information, try to replicate the problem, and then if they can do that, they will get the issue up to our developers to be further worked on and finally fixed.

I know that this is not the quick fix that you were looking for, but every report that we send to the QA team helps them identify the cause, and once that is pinned down, a fix can be coded and put into play. It may take some time, since you can’t rush code repair lest you trigger a whole new chain of unwanted effects, but the goal is to get these repaired as quickly as possible. Getting us this information will help us get this resolved and out of the realm for everyone.

so i'm guessing spell hit will be fixed in the next major patch.

 

[Tilt Shift]

On the other hand, focusing on low lvl pvp issues has never been something bliz has taken very seriously so we might not see any change to this issue for a very long time.

Low level pvp has changed so dramatically and repeatedly over the years I'm led to believe that they do care. Exp off, redefined brackets, omni battle group bg's, even looms as bis can be argued as a concession to low level pvp.

As far as direct gm experience goes, I reported a player for gem exploiting in the am, by the pm the gm had acted and the gems were gone. So hey, they do care even when you don't pay for their help.

To Deadvolcano: thanks for putting in the time on this issue. I'll be sure to put in a ticket.