Holy @%!# this ptr rocks

[Tom Ganks]

Gonna test and see if stonetalon mountains gear is still the same ilvl when purchased.

edit: yep

you play with voc? why?

saw him wondering about on ptr
[doublepost=1529038828,1529038252][/doublepost]Another thing is that players will probably be making Highmountain or Nightborne for classes available at lvl 20 seeing how they start with ilvl 25 gear thats nearly much on par (stat wise) with most pvp and dung gear. That and belf racial nerf. That's if they have the races unlocked.

 

[Miles]

How are healers? Heard allot about dps, gear and enchants.

 

[Nurd]

so can i go back to my addiction and have fun again?

 

[Zuro]

I'd rather have survival hunters for another xpac than bm/mm hunters the way they look in ptr now. Enjoy legion while you still can.

 

[SPQR]

my 2cents.

How are healers? Heard allot about dps, gear and enchants.

Total hp: 1.2 - 1.7k
Most heal: 200-300
Most damage: 50-250
had http://www.wowhead.com/spell=18562/swiftmend for 700

More

You still able to outheal 1.5 person but you have to be present.
if you make a mistake of afk for few 3-5 seconds you going to be down to 30% hp.

Scaling is rather well done overall apart from small things like:
a. high end spells - that is life.
b. broken healing numbers between high level x low level - one cast heal to 0-100% hp.
Imagine raid of low lvl twinks healed by high level.

Funky to see level 20 and level 110 boomy doing same damage to you with dots.

About enchants

Do hope they turn off enchants in bgs because
a. We are still probably be in with mostly clueless levelers.
b. Premades still going to be noticeable issue
c. It is a still noticeable chunk of damage happening uncontrollably and just putting extra pressure on healing.

Conclusion

If you enjoy healing because of
"reactive aspect of whom to heal right now to impact game after 20 sec"
you might like this.

If you enjoy healing because of
"lol i bubble and just dot you to death and lol at you"
you probably not going to like it as it takes full 40-50 sec to kill someone with most dots and no additional enchants.

Didn't find any a la flanking strike for 70%hp or toss axe for 50%hp in 20s kit yet.

so can i go back to my addiction and have fun again?

if you enjoyed cata numbers & gameplay then there is a significant chance you will find something to enjoy.

 

[Zuro]

my 2cents.



Total hp: 1.2 - 1.7k
Most heal: 200-300
Most damage: 50-250
had http://www.wowhead.com/spell=18562/swiftmend for 700

More

You still able to outheal 1.5 person but you have to be present.
if you make a mistake of afk for few 3-5 seconds you going to be down to 30% hp.

Scaling is rather well done overall apart from small things like:
a. high end spells - that is life.
b. broken healing numbers between high level x low level - one cast heal to 0-100% hp.
Imagine raid of low lvl twinks healed by high level.

Funky to see level 20 and level 110 boomy doing same damage to you with dots.

About enchants

Do hope they turn off enchants in bgs because
a. We are still probably be in with mostly clueless levelers.
b. Premades still going to be noticeable issue
c. It is a still noticeable chunk of damage happening uncontrollably and just putting extra pressure on healing.

Conclusion

If you enjoy healing because of
"reactive aspect of whom to heal right now to impact game after 20 sec"
you might like this.

If you enjoy healing because of
"lol i bubble and just dot you to death and lol at you"
you probably not going to like it as it takes full 40-50 sec to kill someone with most dots and no additional enchants.

Didn't find any a la flanking strike for 70%hp or toss axe for 50%hp in 20s kit yet.


if you enjoyed cata numbers & gameplay then there is a significant chance you will find something to enjoy.

29 hunt has rapid fire and it does 2k dmg in 3 seconds. aimed shot does over 1k dmg without critting. have fun healing with your 2k hp

 

[Nurd]

Friendly reminder before anyone gets too excited.

 

[Kageroo]

29 hunt has rapid fire and it does 2k dmg in 3 seconds. aimed shot does over 1k dmg without critting. have fun healing with your 2k hp

Every expansion hunters are fotm/close to fotm...

 

[Zuro]

Every expansion hunters are fotm/close to fotm...

your meme game is so weak it's cringy.

 

[SPQR]

29 hunt has rapid fire and it does 2k dmg in 3 seconds. aimed shot does over 1k dmg without critting. have fun healing with your 2k hp

Didn't test level 29 in any form due to the fact of simply not having any.
Most of testing was done on 20 vs 20 or pve.

Here is combat logs of abilities in question.
Done by level 20 full i31 (ex i35) gear + lone wolf (10% extra) vs level 20 i25 disc priest with no invasion gear.

As stated above, Total hp: 1.2 - 1.7k

Combat log

Aimed shot:

Murder of crows:

Rapid fire

The reason you got that much dmg might be due to enchants or 29s just op. many factors to consider.

Hunters always been and will be strong due to the fact of them being very mobile class.
Not much to do against that beside not playing as one.

 

[Stabilt]

Didn't test level 29 in any form due to the fact of simply not having any.
Most of testing was done on 20 vs 20 or pve.

Here is combat logs of abilities in question.
Done by level 20 full i31 (ex i35) gear + lone wolf (10% extra) vs level 20 i25 disc priest with no invasion gear.

As stated above, Total hp: 1.2 - 1.7k

Combat log

Aimed shot:

Murder of crows:

Rapid fire

The reason you got that much dmg might be due to enchants or 29s just op. many factors to consider.

Hunters always been and will be strong due to the fact of them being very mobile class.
Not much to do against that beside not playing as one.

ripduck had 70% extra vers because of some broken old buff

same buff on a 19 mage =

 

[SPQR]

ripduck had 70% extra vers because of some broken old buff

Yea. Plenty of room to exploit and i guess that is a good thing because it will bring the interest back to brackets.
For example http://www.wowhead.com/spell=202771/full-moon just destroys things.
Overall seems more balanced and alive over legion atleast for me and atm.

 

[Smn]

You know ptr/ beta is for testning things, right?

So what you should do is to sens in reports about broken abilitys, if you want a balanced braket. Dont just sit here and qq about it, do something to fix it instead.

If enouh ppl send in reports on the samethings, it might get changed.

 

[Palonabanana]

Yea. Plenty of room to exploit

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=202771/full-moon just destroys things.

Overall seems more balanced

???

 

[Goohd]

delete ur shamans please

and stop exaggerating hunter numbers

 

[Captain]

Only think keeping me away from Legion, and now BFA, is that fact that they keep removing abilities each expansion. I still cant get over the fact that we dont have displacer beast anymore in the 19s bracket. The cataclysm numbers look interesting, but still cant get over the fact that we have core abilities.

One question I have for people with beta access is, do you think we will have a significant gear difference compared to levelers? Or is gear equalized for everyone once again? Would be nice to go back to glass cannon as a rogue.

 

[SPQR]

???

Exploits, bugs and op gears some individuals know/may have gotten over the years are not to be considered in overall picture.

I find smaller numbers more enjoyable and alive because everyone dies faster.
Every action you take means more in the longer run.

Or i just dunno and find comfort in the panic.

Only think keeping me away from Legion, and now BFA, is that fact that they keep removing abilities each expansion.

Believe druids never really needed that blink at low levels considering the tools they got.
Same goes to other movement abilities with exception of rogues maybe.

Past expansions brought amazing changes to classes such as mages, warriors and even shadow priests.

As for gear difference, from 1v1 stand point i find it hardly noticeable besides total hp when i tested 10 ilevels difference.
They reduced the values you get from stats.

Even if they leave it as it is without bg preset stats it wont be that much difference in total damage.
However might be enough to bring back segregation due to tears of naked noobs having -20 clue how they endedup in bg.

 

[Zuro]

delete ur shamans please

and stop exaggerating hunter numbers

I just might delete mine. bfa will be yet another huntard/priest expansion yaay..

 

[SPQR]

I just might delete mine. bfa will be yet another huntard/priest expansion yaay..

Enhancement feels just as fun as it is on live (In terms of rotation)
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=60103/lava-lash and http://www.wowhead.com/spell=17364/stormstrike criting between 250-300 with 0 enchants.

With elemental force working you can be far more valuable than a hunter just by spamming 40yard http://www.wowhead.com/spell=403/lightning-bolt and tossing around ofheals.

Honestly mate, it is not like you missing http://www.wowhead.com/spell=8092/mind-blast for 3 expansions.

 

[Zuro]

Enhancement feels just as fun as it is on live (In terms of rotation)
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=60103/lava-lash and http://www.wowhead.com/spell=17364/stormstrike criting between 250-300 with 0 enchants.

With elemental force working you can be far more valuable than a hunter just by spamming 40yard http://www.wowhead.com/spell=403/lightning-bolt and tossing around ofheals.

Honestly mate, it is not like you missing http://www.wowhead.com/spell=8092/mind-blast for 3 expansions.

You are completely right and I was wrong. I will take your words to heart from now on.