Hi, Im Khaos and I have a message

[Jadyne]

I'm gonna pull out a few interesting points here...

It's always the people that arn't very good that make community based threads like this, if you want your opinion to be relevant become relevent in warsong and earn respect from the players who undermine what you're saying it's simple. if you're a poor player your opinion isn't going to be respected

I found this to actually be completely wrong. You think you're right because the "good" players are generally the more vocal, but there's a much bigger community of players who aren't outspoken and elitist, and they're the key to making a commmunity active. I am a perfect example of your claim there being wrong: when I played in retail, I wasn't all that good. For all of TBC I clicked half my abilities, I had horrible keybinds, and when another guild showed up to premade against us, half my guild quit on me and it took me 3 months to rebuild with competitive players.

The thing is, people still considered me one of the best people in the bracket, because I could lead and because I fostered respect on all sides. People didn't call me pro, they just considered me "good", and that was good enough. The only thing that really hurt my reputation was when my guild didn't back me up, but I recovered from that hit to my rep by rebuilding and learning from my mistakes.

No one believes that admitting to a mistake, fixing it, and doing better next time actually improves your reputation more than not making the mistake in the first place. At least, they don't believe it until they experience it.

key words large populous of players. doesn't matter if i agree with you or not, thats how 19s are.

how about instead of people wasting there time making these threads they improve there gameplay? the higher the caliber of players we have in warsong the better, like i said previously , the individual is the most important part of the bracket.

You have a good point here, but what you're missing is that there's more than one form of "skill". Think of it like skill with specs. Someone who's good with a feral druid might not be great at resto druid until they get more practice in as resto, or whatever the spec names are these days.

Similarly, someone who is excellent at their class isn't necessarily going to be good at leading a pug, or a premade for that matter. It's a whole other skill set to lead, and it's harder to develop that skill set because WoW doesn't give as good immediate feedback when you fail. Losing a duel? That's pretty easy feedback to interpret. Losing a battle? You can always blame the class composition, or the noobs on your side who wouldn't listen to you, rather than deciding that you could do a better job of getting people to listen to you.

So yes, start with yourself, but don't only consider class skill. And then once you've grown individually enough, then you can start influencing those around you for the better.

obviously games are more fun when its 10 well geared twinks vs 10 well geared twinks, but it's not lik you can get the exact perfect matchup every game you just gotta endure, a lot of the elitist players can't deal with poor class comps etc. This is the problem with mop/cata, class composistion matters a hell of a lot more than in wrath/prior, one boomkin on a team can completly change the game whereas back in the day it didn't matter if you had a 3 or 4 shitters on your team you could still make something happen.

I have to admit that's why I'm playing private wotlk server, not retail. =/

I've yet not found a guild premade that does not roll pugs

That's actually how my guild found other premades to fight back in the day. Ofc, it took more than rolling pugs. It took rolling pugs and then advertising that we were out there waiting for other premades to show up.

 

[Tilt Shift]

I would normally keep to myself, but I feel compelled to comment on this. There are a few of us from back in the day still around, some underground. I used to play an ally rogue on in bg9 when you were on jaedenar with purple haze (also recall you running as shadow spec). I also rolled horde side and was in purple haze just before things died.

No one thought purple haze was a threat and I don't think anyone ever thought jadyn was a solid player nor a good team captain. The value you had was being aggressive about pushing forward organized team play and acting as a bracket ambassador. That was something that was worthwhile. But this was entirely where any "respect" would have been generated.

The reason I'm belaboring this point is because your recent posts come off as smug, overly pedantic and far fetched all contrary to what I used to remember of you back in the day where you used to be generally pleasant and helpful.

It's largely a different player base these days. and you can be whoever you want to be. I doubt you wanted to come back to be that ego-troll.
just my .anonymous .02

I'm gonna pull out a few interesting points here...



I found this to actually be completely wrong. You think you're right because the "good" players are generally the more vocal, but there's a much bigger community of players who aren't outspoken and elitist, and they're the key to making a commmunity active. I am a perfect example of your claim there being wrong: when I played in retail, I wasn't all that good. For all of TBC I clicked half my abilities, I had horrible keybinds, and when another guild showed up to premade against us, half my guild quit on me and it took me 3 months to rebuild with competitive players.

The thing is, people still considered me one of the best people in the bracket, because I could lead and because I fostered respect on all sides. People didn't call me pro, they just considered me "good", and that was good enough. The only thing that really hurt my reputation was when my guild didn't back me up, but I recovered from that hit to my rep by rebuilding and learning from my mistakes.

No one believes that admitting to a mistake, fixing it, and doing better next time actually improves your reputation more than not making the mistake in the first place. At least, they don't believe it until they experience it.



You have a good point here, but what you're missing is that there's more than one form of "skill". Think of it like skill with specs. Someone who's good with a feral druid might not be great at resto druid until they get more practice in as resto, or whatever the spec names are these days.

Similarly, someone who is excellent at their class isn't necessarily going to be good at leading a pug, or a premade for that matter. It's a whole other skill set to lead, and it's harder to develop that skill set because WoW doesn't give as good immediate feedback when you fail. Losing a duel? That's pretty easy feedback to interpret. Losing a battle? You can always blame the class composition, or the noobs on your side who wouldn't listen to you, rather than deciding that you could do a better job of getting people to listen to you.

So yes, start with yourself, but don't only consider class skill. And then once you've grown individually enough, then you can start influencing those around you for the better.



I have to admit that's why I'm playing private wotlk server, not retail. =/




That's actually how my guild found other premades to fight back in the day. Ofc, it took more than rolling pugs. It took rolling pugs and then advertising that we were out there waiting for other premades to show up.

 

[Jadyne]

I would normally keep to myself, but I feel compelled to comment on this. There are a few of us from back in the day still around, some underground. I used to play an ally rogue on in bg9 when you were on jaedenar with purple haze (also recall you running as shadow spec). I also rolled horde side and was in purple haze just before things died.

No one thought purple haze was a threat and I don't think anyone ever thought jadyn was a solid player nor a good team captain. The value you had was being aggressive about pushing forward organized team play and acting as a bracket ambassador. That was something that was worthwhile. But this was entirely where any "respect" would have been generated.

The reason I'm belaboring this point is because your recent posts come off as smug, overly pedantic and far fetched all contrary to what I used to remember of you back in the day where you used to be generally pleasant and helpful.

It's largely a different player base these days. and you can be whoever you want to be. I doubt you wanted to come back to be that ego-troll.
just my .anonymous .02

I.... hm. Saying thanks isn't enough, but just know I really appreciated hearing that. Maybe I've been approaching this wrong. Thanks Tilt.

I'll be back later. Got some thinking to do, and some adjustments to make.

 

[saxxon]

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I have to admit that's why I'm playing private wotlk server, not retail. =/
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jadyn im a bg9 baby so i've known ur work for a long time. i also know teh state of 19s, hence why i'm playing purely on a vanilla realm atm

 

[saxxon]

Really stinks this thread filled so much blah none constructive posts but I can not say I am surprised. First off I wanna say thank you for those who expressed their opinions, both for and against my own. For those who agree with my opinions I welcome you to add me on Battle-Tag and maybe we can try and organize some war games for some fun and well even those who disagree if you would like to play in the war games your welcome to add me but I will not tolerate disrespect.

As I was reading this thread the last few pages Saxx spurred some points I would like to address.



You say making these threads are a waste of time when I should spend the time I spend on this to improve my game-play, First off the only time you will ever find me on these forums is while I am at work and I am unable to get on WoW to play. But back to further points, Improving game-play requires pops, the attitudes of players have made it that the actual majority of players would rather not queue. Instead of dealing with elitist attitudes they would much rather do something fun. That is what this thread was meant to bring to light is that the true majority of players are not these elitists, they have huge impacts on the game as they are skilled players but to turn around and treat other players who are in fact trying to improve like shit. No one should stoop so low.



Once again this is the thing, the elitist players who have this attitude that are killing the fun for other players are not the majority, as said before, if they were the majority why are the pops not happening?



The best thing you said, most players do enjoy a even game, encouraging these groups lessens the chance of a even game and improves your chance at making sure you win. Most people who are group queuing are not doing so because they want a even game they are doing so for the fact they want to guarantee they win. Ether one of two things need to happen to resolve this, more people group queue and utilize communication tools (skype, vent so on so forth) which is less likely than if people just solo queue.

With all that said, I am not trying to single you out saxx out of alot of the players you always stood out as being respectful and none of these posts really came across as disrespectful and I thank you for that.

wasn't trying to single you out either, just a long time twinker and man this shit is gunna be the death of me

the elitists arn't the majority, but they are the backbone of competitive games and they arn't bothering to que anymore because there's no appeal/competition in 19

 

[Khaos]

Ok I understand what you are saying, the elitist players are the backbone of competitive games, I completely agree on that aspect, what I disagree with is the fact that they are no longer queuing because of the lack of competitive games. The elitist players I am thinking of are the ones queuing every time the games pop, then continue to be on here telling the very few players we have that they suck. For the health of what is left of this bracket something needs to change.

P.S. was fun games last night, really wish i could sync up which role was needed, Every-time I was on my FC (Tunkie-Doomhammer) there was another FC in the game and everytime I was on my Hunter Ally didnt have a FC....made me a sad Khaos but hey still had fun

 

[Dorigon]

Who exactly is telling people that they suck?

 

[saxxon]

Who exactly is telling people that they suck?

i think they just know deep down

 

[Khaos]

Who exactly is telling people that they suck?

Read other threads, its all over the place, maybe not in those exact words but the constant trolling calling each other bad and people trying to bad active to just get told constantly they have no room to talk. Even in this thread players were stating its only bad players who bring up this problem.

 

[Dorigon]

Sorry, I'm not seeing any of that in other threads.

 

[Hurrx]

Who exactly is telling people that they suck?

nobody, just worse players earning a huge prophet from their magic the gathering stores need something to complain about

on topic id say this whole thread is just going to produce a segregation of bigger scale, ease up and try to find the positive qualities in people rather than always acting like the victim

 

[saxxon]

Sorry, I'm not seeing any of that in other threads.

yea i dont really see people bashing other twinks in any thread tbh, if they do its usually an arguement between ore and augiddin or something

 

[Khaos]

Of course you do not see it, your one of the main ones....easy to be blind to the issues when they are not targeting you.

To be honest they are not targeting me, ya I have been trolled, called bad, told straight up I should quit playing. Yet anymore I just sit back and watch it happen over and over until I made this post, havent been really trolled on this yet which is surprising.

 

[Khaos]

No matter what I say people like you guys will never let up...No reason to continue trying to justify my reasoning on here to people who know what they are doing and just wanting more. Here I was saying I was surprised I havent been trolled yet. Here come the trolls


Hurrx, thank you for that bit, yes I am pointing out the negatives and maybe I need to point out the positives that I do reference constantly, These players are skilled players, they know their classes and know how to play their twinks, I never claim them to be bad players. I respect their skill and other people should also, People should respect that these players win games and their way of winning might not be the friendliest but it is the most effective.

 

[Jadyne]

Tilt's comment made me realize that what really contributed to bg9's nicer atmosphere might have been more my positive attitude at the time, not me trolling the trolls.

On the topic of calling people bad, I've noticed a few threads got cleaned up and posts deleted which would have been good examples of people calling others bad. Thing is, deleting posts doesn't un-say things, though it does make it harder for them to continue.

 

[Laurasia]

Closed at OP's request. Thanks, Khaos, for sharing this message. Hopefully everyone will think about how they might be more respectful towards others in-game and here on the forums.