Allybeboba
Legend
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Allybeboba
Legend
I agree. That is why arenas are much "easier". They take much much less teamwork as a whole. Trying to keep the attention of 10-12 people in today's environment is akin to herding cats.
It is a lot of "work" to be a good team captain or lead of a 10 man/raid team that offers little rewards. That is why I do not do it any more. And it comes with a lot of headaches. The face of WoW has change over it's 12 year span. It used to be a lot easier to get cooperation from your teammates. That is not the case today, everyone has it in their mind that they are God's gift to video games and that your team can't rescue the princess without them.
/cheers
Stabilt
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news flash: theres no good team that has a leader that makes all decisions, its 2017 after all
even the 'gods gift to video games' listen or they know theyll get the boot!
cheers
partygirl
Legend
its only hard to get cooperation from your team if they are terrible, in a sucessfull team everybody works as a leader and everybody listens to everybody, only bad teams need a "captain"
/cheerio
Stabilt
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what? I just said youre wrong and theres a better way of playing the game, i guess u didnt understand
Stizzy
Grandfathered
1. Arenas take more skill than BG's, period (unless playing unreasonable comp)
2. It's not about keeping people's attention, it's about people paying attention. If someone on your team isn't paying attention, then that's his fault. Too bad it probably wont matter unless he plays an important role.
3. Nobody "leads" RBGs. Everyone has a role and they do it. The only "leading" could be target calling / overall game callouts, and the length of target calling in 19/20s is "chaos bolting X hit him! ok now go healer!"
4. It used to be easier to get cooperation from your teammates because we didn't have access to the technology that let's us see who is fucking up.
5. Everything in the BG scene thinks they are "gods gift to video games" because team play doesn't matter. It's a random BG with a mid fight. People don't notice people peeling for you or enabling you to go in because it doesn't happen. That makes everyone think they are doing all the work. Just like in normal BGs lol.
<conclusion> BG's are an old style of "gaming." Back in the day all we had were arenas. Some hardcore veteran twinks are too accustomed to BG's that they believe that it takes an immense amount of skill (likely because the twinks they looked up to were good at BG's.) Newer twinks [that have decent game knowledge] lean towards arenas most of the time because they are rated and don't take 20 people to set up. You can't even practice 10v10s outside of wargames. BG's are a thing of the past. Obviously the BG players have 'grown up' on BG's and some won't be willing to change their viewpoints. BG players argue that battlegrounds take more skill because there are more players on a bg team. If anything, that just leaves more room for mistakes.
Arenas take serious teamwork and synergy from 3 players. If any of you caught the tournament today, there was some serious shit going on. You never see any "plays" happen in BGs because there are no plays to be made. Nothing skillfull CAN take place.
Stizzy
Grandfathered
Mind elaborating on why arenas are easier so I can debunk it as "arenas take less skill."
its no secret that you are vague when you post so you cant be accountable for what you say. It gets pretty sad in the passive agressive posts w /cheers at the end
Zatox
OG
You're a homie, but you're delusional as fuck if you think arenas take more skill at this level.
Take a browse through the catalog of TC16 games. People like Dutches and Iggy who excel at arena got dunked on in WSG. The same thing happened in the D19 games that you were apart of. Your team wasn't much help at all but your positioning and overall mechanics in those games were not that great either. If you wanna debate it on discord tonight I'm down.
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Stizzy
Grandfathered
As an arena player I can play good enough in BGs to do my job. Obviously its not impeccable gameplay bc its a different gamemode. My point is that arena forms better players. We saw how poorly Tacos team performed in arena vs. how arena players do in BGs. Also the WG i was in we were down a healer lol so j had to take on a roll I wasnt very familiar with, but I still did it good enough. There isnt really a "good enough" in arena bc individual skill has more of an impact than it does in BGs
Stizzy
Grandfathered
The reason im arguing this is bc me and others believe a more arena-oriented bracket would be better for us. And its not like I dislike BGs bc im bad at them (alot of bg players dislike arena bc they suck at it) Ive been 2k RBGs in mop so I have a general idea what's going on . It just sucks that the bg players are so toxic and refuse to respect arena how arena players respect the history of the gulch . Times change, we arent in wrath anymore. With this technology available its about time we make some changes.
As for how I think arenas would be better
1. Ranking system (flawed but can be messed with)
2. Endgame arena crowd is big
3. Easy to form teams to partake in events
4. More teams = more players and more events
5. practice wargames mean everyone getz to know every other team.
6. Arena videos and guides can be made and tolerable unlike bg guides
Ive been setting up wargames 3v3 for the past few months and ive met soo many people, we have games every night and its all friendly competition.
Im not here to shit on arens. Feel free to make points on why BGs would be better for the bracker, I could be missing something and Im open to discussion.
/the day is monday
As for how I think arenas would be better
1. Ranking system (flawed but can be messed with)
2. Endgame arena crowd is big
3. Easy to form teams to partake in events
4. More teams = more players and more events
5. practice wargames mean everyone getz to know every other team.
6. Arena videos and guides can be made and tolerable unlike bg guides
Ive been setting up wargames 3v3 for the past few months and ive met soo many people, we have games every night and its all friendly competition.
Im not here to shit on arens. Feel free to make points on why BGs would be better for the bracker, I could be missing something and Im open to discussion.
/the day is monday
Stizzy
Grandfathered
Some people we get games with pretty consistently (for reference)
stizzy
dutches
skirms
suntosh
sundip
canes
budget
spooge
stunar
qqfear
gian
stakkzy
hotpocket
jeroy
delayed(i think)
pokestar
yami
d19 and tgang guild members
others i might not remember on the top of my head
stizzy
dutches
skirms
suntosh
sundip
canes
budget
spooge
stunar
qqfear
gian
stakkzy
hotpocket
jeroy
delayed(i think)
pokestar
yami
d19 and tgang guild members
others i might not remember on the top of my head
Delayed
Legend
thoughts on doing some 3v3 wargames for 110? that could be fun. maybe a tourney if some interest.
Mvq
2016 TC Champion
Since you both have to clue how to get your point across, let me help you. @Stizzy @Allybeboba
At 19s, 29s, 20s etc. the gameplay in BGs and Arena is the same. You sync burst and CC together to land a kill. The amount of players in each gamemode is different, which makes BGs harder.
You're comparing endgame arena to low level arena, which is a huge mistake. Endgame Arena and Endgame RBGs are so much different. For example; In Arena you'd have to be careful with positioning whereas in RBGs every class has an "out" of every situation. That's not the case at low levels.
Therefor, low level BGs are harder than low level Arena.
TL;DR
BG and Arena gameplay at low levels are the same, the amount of players on each team is bigger which makes it harder.
At 19s, 29s, 20s etc. the gameplay in BGs and Arena is the same. You sync burst and CC together to land a kill. The amount of players in each gamemode is different, which makes BGs harder.
You're comparing endgame arena to low level arena, which is a huge mistake. Endgame Arena and Endgame RBGs are so much different. For example; In Arena you'd have to be careful with positioning whereas in RBGs every class has an "out" of every situation. That's not the case at low levels.
Therefor, low level BGs are harder than low level Arena.
TL;DR
BG and Arena gameplay at low levels are the same, the amount of players on each team is bigger which makes it harder.
Delayed
Legend
i have to agree, bg's are harder they require more strategy overall. just because there is a much larger lack of cc, which is made up with the rediculous damage. all you have to worry about in arena is just lining up your spells for that 1 time. but wsg you need to have constant strat. who stays, who goes offensive, who goes back, who picks flag, when do you pick flag, etc etc. (this is why im much worse at bg, much more for one to watch for than arena being 5 others compared to 19 others)
Delayed
Legend
but this is for low level not endgame.
