Curley
OG
Biased.
Foreman's Gloves (rogue)
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Painaid
The Immortal
DesH is right. Foreman's is not worth it. If you base your argument on white hits, then I don't think we agree on the role of rogues this expansion. Rogues in MoP are about quick burst immediately out of stealth, NOT sustained white hit damage. After you pop out of stealth, you will be kited and will be forced to pull back and re stealth. You should be gearing for the initial burst, which should always be happening from behind the enemy target. The rogue PvP paradigm has shifted, so one should gear accordingly.
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while i agree they are about the initial burst, last xpac they were MORE about the initial burst than what they have this xpac, Rogues sustained damage on target is actualy very effective in this xpac, with lifeblood+SnD+ pyrium you will put out huge damage with only seconds on your target, that being said its all situational as there are times where you will have fights that give you sustained ToT, and fights where u rarely get it
Curley
OG
This is why pyrium is bis imo barely effects your specials. I have done several recout tests.
theres just specific situations that obviously shows what wep and gear setup to use.. use dagger + use full agi gear if playing a quick shot kill fight or rockin subterfuge spec, rock fang and pyrium if youre gunna have time to get Slice and dice up and sit on him for more than 5 seconds.
Beastly
OG
1 agi and 4 stam or 5 expertise.... neither are game changing enough to bash someone for preferring to use one over the other. Use what you like and just shut up. Period.
have you ever even played a 19 rogue? Don't be so quick to throw out advice on stuff you have no experience with.
have you ever even played a 19 rogue? Don't be so quick to throw out advice on stuff you have no experience with.
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xxHolylipzqtxoxotwinkerxx
Guest
Lil Throwed
Legend
Mocha
Legendary
Bis Rogue Guide <<<<<<
I stumbled across this bis mop rogue guide while surfing Twinking.net.
I've said the same thing since +base resil was announced. Yet everyone just said I was lost in '06 and rogues are gonna be bad etc.
Don't attack someone from the front.
Don't get kited.
Tell me how expertise helps you when you're attacking someone and they cannot dodge or parry. I don't understand what makes it so difficult for children to understand.
You cannot be dodged or parried if you attack from someone's backside, which is the only time that you attack someone.
Expertise 100% does not have any influence on attacks from someone's behind.
If you are attacking from the frontside of anyone you need to wait and get their back side.
I stumbled across this bis mop rogue guide while surfing Twinking.net.
I've said the same thing since +base resil was announced. Yet everyone just said I was lost in '06 and rogues are gonna be bad etc.
Don't attack someone from the front.
Don't get kited.
Tell me how expertise helps you when you're attacking someone and they cannot dodge or parry. I don't understand what makes it so difficult for children to understand.
You cannot be dodged or parried if you attack from someone's backside, which is the only time that you attack someone.
Expertise 100% does not have any influence on attacks from someone's behind.
If you are attacking from the frontside of anyone you need to wait and get their back side.
Nakedplumber
Tink
I attack people from the front cause there is more chances that I will hit them in the eyes which hurts a lot
Mesikämmen
pwner
Tell that to someone being concshotted 24/7 or chasing a felineswiftness druid.... REALLY helpful tip, I always got kited till this day, now it's just all so clear! TY Mocha!
Painaid
The Immortal
Lot of passive aggressive posters in here which is really kind of childish. Serves as a microcosm of the shitty community 19s has become in many areas. Call Desh, Mocha, or myself out if you disagree. But your arguments as of yet make no sense.
And you're right, the difference is insignificant and I've said on numerous occasions, that 1 stat here and 1 stat there is not going to make you a better player. Never been a BiS-whore myself. That said, I do like looking at things from different angles and challenging the meta-thought on playstyles and gear choices. It's what makes the game interesting. Sorry that you get sand in your va-jay-jay over such a discussion.
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Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
This entire thread devolved as it did because Desh's arguments did not make any sense. In fact, he has done no more than talk about 'numbers in his head telling him things'.
Painaid
The Immortal
You do nothing but troll these forums over and over. Baffles me how you are not banned from these forums yet. You've posted how many times in this thread now and yet offered absolutely zero positive food for thought whatsoever. Moving back on topic....
Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
Banned? Please, I've never even been suspended. The 298 likes that I have received speak for themselves. Your personal attacks aside, I am still waiting to see you substantiate Desh's mystical mental numbers as a legitimate argument.
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Painaid
The Immortal
Lol, now I know you're lying on that count.
I think Mocha already gave the reasoning. Rogues are about opening burst from behind, not sustained white damage. If you're opening on your rogue when your target is in front of you, you're doing it wrong. Once you've been CC'd/feared/snared/etc after the opener, rogue burst becomes moot. So DesH's point is to build upon the strength of the class, which is the stealth opener. The one thing that may have made Foreman's decidedly worthwhile, gouge, is no longer available at 19.
Free to disagree if you want. I respect/understand Saxxon's point just fine. Not sure why the response to DesH's suggestion has been met with such a venomous response. Should be possible to have a discussion without getting so angry.
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Dorigon
Alpha and Omega
Lol, now I know you're lying on that count.
I think Mocha already gave the reasoning. Rogues are about opening burst from behind, not sustained white damage. If you're opening on your rogue when your target is in front of you, you're doing it wrong. Once you've been CC'd/feared/snared/etc after the opener, rogue burst becomes moot. So DesH's point is to build upon the strength of the class, which is the stealth opener. The one thing that may have made Foreman's decidedly worthwhile, gouge, is no longer available at 19.
Free to disagree if you want. I respect/understand Saxxon's point just fine. Not sure why the response to DesH's suggestion has been met with such a venomous response. Should be possible to have a discussion without getting so angry.
How is 4sta building on the strengh of the class? Or is 1 agi going to outweigh 5 expertise? Lol.