Firey Vs Crusader
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iaccidentallytwink
Guild Master
Theme said:
Your accusation that 50k honor kills mean experience is ridiculous.
15% of 200 damage is 30, 20% is 40, which is 80 DMG vs 125 Heal, I would still take Crusader for the heal.
Hell it could be 40% which is 80, 120 DMG vs 125 Heal, I would still choose starting with crusader.
iaccidentallytwink
Guild Master
Aos said:
uhh, then it would be the same scenario except instead of DMG to Heal you'd be comparing Heal to DMG.
Grabco
OG
I think it is safe to say that Crusader procs the least out of all the weapon enchants I've seen 1 ppm. My problem with crusader is it not proccing this is effectively the same thing as not having a weapon enchant on the weapon (at least with +25 agi you get a passive armor, dodge and AP boost). Unlike firey it can also proc at inopportune times (ie from a killing blow and there is noone around to use it on).
So lets say that yes, it does proc at a frequency of 1 ppm that is a 100 str increase for 15 seconds, which theoretically (discounting the incredible burst potential) would do the same damage as a static +25 str chant on a weapon.
The reason I think crusader is effective = burst potential. The chance for BIG burst damage can be game changing and should not be over looked.
I think like many things it is personal preference. My preference is to give myself options through obtaining many different weapon combinations/chants even if it means having 3-4 of each weapon (when possible)
So lets say that yes, it does proc at a frequency of 1 ppm that is a 100 str increase for 15 seconds, which theoretically (discounting the incredible burst potential) would do the same damage as a static +25 str chant on a weapon.
The reason I think crusader is effective = burst potential. The chance for BIG burst damage can be game changing and should not be over looked.
I think like many things it is personal preference. My preference is to give myself options through obtaining many different weapon combinations/chants even if it means having 3-4 of each weapon (when possible)
iaccidentallytwink
Guild Master
Aos said:
uhh, then it would be the same scenario except instead of DMG to Heal you'd be comparing Heal to DMG.
kidneypopper
OG
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Twinkytoes
OG
kidneypopper said:
Who doesn't ?
I find it comical that iaccidentalytwink just nerd(theory)crafts all day but sux dick at actual gameplay lool
Novascotia
OG
blueisbetterthanyou said:
Maybe you should do something better with your life than troll someone who can kick your ass.
WSG
OG
Lifestealing is the way to go. I played around with 15 Agi, LS, Fiery, and Crusader on my rogue, Lifestealing always played the best.
With all the dodge nerfs, Agi wasn't giving enough burst to justify.
Crusader was certainly interesting, but it requires you to be able to stay on target for the proc to take advantage of it. With no snare of their own, rogues are too easily taken off their target by skilled players.
30 dmg/30heal > 40 dmg/0heal.
The idea of playing Crusader until proc, then switching to LS may be worthwhile, but I only have one Shadowfang. Would be kind of pointless to switch to a CB.
With all the dodge nerfs, Agi wasn't giving enough burst to justify.
Crusader was certainly interesting, but it requires you to be able to stay on target for the proc to take advantage of it. With no snare of their own, rogues are too easily taken off their target by skilled players.
30 dmg/30heal > 40 dmg/0heal.
The idea of playing Crusader until proc, then switching to LS may be worthwhile, but I only have one Shadowfang. Would be kind of pointless to switch to a CB.
Novascotia said:
my life is great
thirk gets 1v2d and dodges every 1v1/2v2 that was ever thrown at him by people in dominate
Omgimarogue
OG
i think IAT's twinks are cool and original. have yooooou ever 1v1'd him blue?
Quara
OG
fun thread. never thought of this shit before. all i know is rogues do damage. lots of damage.
as a priest, I'm most worried when I see Fiery. The potential for quick bursts are very unpleasant for priests and, as has been mentioned, the fact that sader only procs 1pm means that it could very likely go off at an inopportune moment (though once again, you can always just switch weapons)
and goma, even if it triggers GCD it doesn't mean you should never switch weapons.
as a priest, I'm most worried when I see Fiery. The potential for quick bursts are very unpleasant for priests and, as has been mentioned, the fact that sader only procs 1pm means that it could very likely go off at an inopportune moment (though once again, you can always just switch weapons)
and goma, even if it triggers GCD it doesn't mean you should never switch weapons.
kidneypopper
OG
crusader does not have a 1ppm. anyone that claims crusader has a 1ppm past this line is an idiot and should be perm banned
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also, LS is shit. anyone defending it gets the same treatment as the 1ppm claimers. double also, anyone claiming switching wpns during proc is dumb and doesn't think things through well. you're effectively silencing yourself for a GCD and adding another thing you'll have to focus on, which isn't tab kicking and following the FC. it's nice on paper, but unless you're a warrior, it's pointless. you're also not giving yourself any extra opportunity for more procs
CRUSADER BABY
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also, LS is shit. anyone defending it gets the same treatment as the 1ppm claimers. double also, anyone claiming switching wpns during proc is dumb and doesn't think things through well. you're effectively silencing yourself for a GCD and adding another thing you'll have to focus on, which isn't tab kicking and following the FC. it's nice on paper, but unless you're a warrior, it's pointless. you're also not giving yourself any extra opportunity for more procs
CRUSADER BABY