Feral Loom Dps

[Goesid]

@ferell no stick

[MENTION=18737]Zehj[/MENTION] It is true you miss out on hit but if you're going for ap both hoggers and loom shoulders are bis max ap and is enough for hit cap.

 

[Goesid]

- missing riot stick
- mission RoP

rop aint bis for glass cannon.

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[Trijea]

surv hunters exist.

and shamans and locks

 

[Franciska]

@ferell no stick

[MENTION=18737]Zehj[/MENTION] It is true you miss out on hit but if you're going for ap both hoggers and loom shoulders are bis max ap and is enough for hit cap.

Shadowfang Spaulders are much better than the BoA shoulders. You only need chest to hitcap anyway for Ally. Agility is pretty low on priority here for Ferals, as is Strength for Warriors. Crit/Stam feels much smoother than unnecessary investing in other stats after hitcap for these specs/classes.

 

[hucklberry]

as someone earlier in the thread said only melee shred and mange are affected by riot stick and your combo point abilities (the things that actually kill people) are attack power based, for this char i went with a big finisher over slightly bigger melee shred and mangles,
also dose anyone actually no a bis feral who uses riot stick

 

[Goesid]

Shadowfang Spaulders are much better than the BoA shoulders. You only need chest to hitcap anyway for Ally. Agility is pretty low on priority here for Ferals, as is Strength for Warriors. Crit/Stam feels much smoother than unnecessary investing in other stats after hitcap for these specs/classes.

15 hit is needed for cap which chest only doesn't get you.

as someone earlier in the thread said only melee shred and mange are affected by riot stick and your combo point abilities (the things that actually kill people) are attack power based, for this char i went with a big finisher over slightly bigger melee shred and mangles,
also dose anyone actually no a bis feral who uses riot stick

The majority of you're damage comes from those 3 and maybe the reason you can't kill people with em is cause you don't have the bis stick.

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[Hashbrowns]

Either way, you going to be extremely OP. My clothy got hit for a 1600+ FB by a F2P so.... she had Lava Dredger

 

[hucklberry]

maybe the reason you can't kill people with em is cause you don't have the bis stick.

well played sir

 

[Bop]

This thread quickly deviated from its purpose. Should probably be locked, now come to think of it.

Strength scales slightly lower than Critical Strike for Arms Warriors right now, that is correct. But it's ignorant to assume that this won't change.
As new expansions and patches come around the corner, it's much better to gear for a primary stat than the obscure Critical Strike variant.

For instance, Scales of Akumai would be a terrible choice for warriors, despite have 3 more stamina and an equivalent exchange of 1 crit = 1 strength. Why? Because you give up what is otherwise the best shield in the free to play bracket (Shield Against The Evil Presence). Additionally, critical strike may not always be the best stat at level 20 for Arms, and with the new expansion looming so soon, who can say for sure.

In regards to Riot Stick vs Dredger, there is certainly little doubt that as of 5.4 Riot Stick is superior for damage (However, the assertion that the extra 9 dps is better than 30-40 agility is absurd. Agility scaling for classes with which it is the primary stat is extremely high, as it gives both crit and 2:1 attack power). That being said, you must certainly be very bold to choose Riot Stick for a character that is your main.

Just because something is this way now, does not always make it so. Trust the primary stats more than fringe DPS specs.

 

[verh]

Riot stick may give more overall damage, but dredger + patch gives more burst, which is what gets kills.

 

[Zehj]

Strength scales slightly lower than Critical Strike for Arms Warriors right now, that is correct

Again:

Some slam math (for 5.4)

This is the formula for your average slam hit (including crits) in bgs taking enrage into account

(averagedamage*2.75+261)*(1+1*(crit/100))*(1+0.1*(crit/100))

where averagedamage is taken from the melee tab of your character page (top end + bottom end)/2, and crit is just your normal crit %

Running some numbers:

Full stre - 986.12 (averagedamage 224.5, crit 11.04)
Full crit - 963.64 (averagedamage 190.5, crit 20.33)
Balanced - 994.88 (averagedamage 213, crit 15.68)

By balanced I mean trying to max crit + stre

Only thing this doesn't take into account is the extra rage from enrage, and when working out extra damage from enrage assumes you can pull off 3 slams between every ms (which is in favour of more crit)

The only ability that scales better with crit is shield slam, even including enrage procs. MS, slam and HS all scale better maxing crit + stre, and all the other abilities scale best in full stre

For instance, Scales of Akumai would be a terrible choice for warriors, despite have 3 more stamina and an equivalent exchange of 1 crit = 1 strength. Why? Because you give up what is otherwise the best shield in the free to play bracket (Shield Against The Evil Presence). Additionally, critical strike may not always be the best stat at level 20 for Arms, and with the new expansion looming so soon, who can say for sure

With the introduction of loom shields evil presence has kind of been made redundant. You can fc with loom + aku'mai, and redbeard crest is best for dps. Only situation where evil presence is better at the moment is if youre playing prot in arenas which you shouldn't be doing

And in terms of planning for future patches, aku'mai is the better choice especially on horde side seeing as stone guard is gf'd

 

[verh]

Stop trying to justify your clearly inferior choice.

Stop trying to trick people into taking subpar quest rewards.

 

[Goesid]

Stop trying to trick people into taking subpar quest rewards.

But riot stick increases the damage your dps and the more dps the more pressure you will put out which will help with group kills.

 

[Stamm]

The real question is: "Am I ever going to go fishing on a Sunday afternoon for my FUCKING FERAL DRUID WHO COULD HAVE JUST TAKEN THE DAMN QUEST REWARD?!"

I use that logic to keep myself at ease that i made the right choice. oh, and dat +15 fire resist

 

[verh]

But riot stick increases the damage your dps and the more dps the more pressure you will put out which will help with group kills.

If you are going for pressure then it is still the wrong choice because you should be tab raking and 1 cp riping.
If you are going for kills it is the wrong choice because burst will kill more effectively then sustained.
If you are going for off healing then it is the wrong choice because it lacks DHC's spellpower.

I'm sure you guys are trolling but stop, some poor sap will believe you.

 

[Mesikämmen]

If you are going for pressure then it is still the wrong choice because you should be tab raking and 1 cp riping.
If you are going for kills it is the wrong choice because burst will kill more effectively then sustained.
If you are going for off healing then it is the wrong choice because it lacks DHC's spellpower.

Dis

 

[Zatox]

What? Just get good at the damn game and your weapon choice doesn't even matter.

 

[Mesikämmen]

What? Just get good at the damn game and your weapon choice doesn't even matter.

Good point, but having the best possible gear helps aswell d:

 

[Franciska]

dose anyone actually no a bis feral who uses riot stick

Do you know why they don´t use it? Because they are bad and use Eyepatch as Feral and cba to reroll.

Upset that Eyepatch is only BiS for Hunter and Rogue? Your problem and not mine. Because you don't agree, doesn't mean i'm wrong.

 

[Goesid]

With eyepatch you don't have to fish and both are viable but I favor Riot Stick.