Feel free to rip me a new one, but...

[Snowjobs]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Welcome to Allybeboba

 

[Pookums]

I have a dodge stacked prot pally (Ally) if anyone is interested in a different comp. I qued him at the beginning of the revival but everyone started bitching for me to pass the flag to the rdrood, so I just went ret. If we DID try that comp however, it's a different strategy entirely. I'd need more team support obviously than a rdrood. Also I'd make the argument that after 6 stacks the pally is stronger than the drood. Drood has high hp, armor, and mobility. ALL of that gets negated at 6+ stacks. Dodge stacking (yes I know it's still nerfed below lvl 40) is superior in that you simply dodge attacks. I know this is primarily melee dmg, but more often than not that is who goes in for flag returns. Thoughts?

 

[Allybeboba]

I have a dodge stacked prot pally (Ally) if anyone is interested in a different comp. I qued him at the beginning of the revival but everyone started bitching for me to pass the flag to the rdrood, so I just went ret. If we DID try that comp however, it's a different strategy entirely. I'd need more team support obviously than a rdrood. Also I'd make the argument that after 6 stacks the pally is stronger than the drood. Drood has high hp, armor, and mobility. ALL of that gets negated at 6+ stacks. Dodge stacking (yes I know it's still nerfed below lvl 40) is superior in that you simply dodge attacks. I know this is primarily melee dmg, but more often than not that is who goes in for flag returns. Thoughts?

They can't kill what they can't hit. You could even try Whelp Armor. DPS do not like it for a reason.

I get the feeling a lot of these players are "new" to trying different tactics. There is more to twinking than just nineteens fellas. And more to it than the mid strat that has become a mainstay in the 19's without mounts.
Free your mind, and the rest will follow.

 

[Snowjobs]

I have a dodge stacked prot pally (Ally) if anyone is interested in a different comp. I qued him at the beginning of the revival but everyone started bitching for me to pass the flag to the rdrood, so I just went ret. If we DID try that comp however, it's a different strategy entirely. I'd need more team support obviously than a rdrood. Also I'd make the argument that after 6 stacks the pally is stronger than the drood. Drood has high hp, armor, and mobility. ALL of that gets negated at 6+ stacks. Dodge stacking (yes I know it's still nerfed below lvl 40) is superior in that you simply dodge attacks. I know this is primarily melee dmg, but more often than not that is who goes in for flag returns. Thoughts?

prot pally doesn't seem that strong imo . passive only gives like 15% health 3% parry and 6% crit reduc over ret/holy but you take 10 % more damage than they do . not worth it imo

Prot warrior might be viable as it has 20% base damage . (0% damage reduc after bg debuf) shield wall is a 12 sec recharge 30% mele reduc. Prot warrior has hamstring and stomp for aoe slow. Last stand for 30% health increase cd. enraged regeneration and impendig victory for another 30% health or 15% on varying cds (combine enraed regeneration with victory rush glyph for 30% plus 22.5% health heals. charge gives mobility regardless of stacks . pally has 0 mobility after stacks.

Over all prot warrior just takes less damage (10%) and has more cd's than pally.

 

[mfdoom]

L

Apparently you didn't either. No where did I suggest a ban. It is not even about the subject of other Flag Carriers. It is totally and solely about whether or not the bracket would be better off without Druids. And I answered that. And I even gave reasons. It is you all that skewed the topic, not me.
Do my answers really have to be black and white or ones and zeros for you all to understand them? Sheesh.... I can break it down if you like.
I am paraphrasing.
OP- Do think we would be better off without Druids?
Me- Druids have been FCs for years. ( for all of you that fail to understand. This means NO. ) I then go on to state- You just have to find alternate strategies.( my reason for stating NO).

See how simple it really is?
All I did was answer the OPs question. And you all twisted it completely around.

I didn't say you suggested a ban, that's very clearly the opposite of your argument.
Why would you say that?
And I, likewise, didn't suggest a ban. I've actually been trying to explain to you that that isn't the point of this thread.
If the past few pages are any indication, this thread should've been about theorizing other classes for the role of FC.
I only objected because you mentioned that we wanted to institute limitations, when it was stated we didn't.
"The solution many people here is if they don't like it or they can't accomplish it then it must be (A) banned (B) cheating (C) Both." -You
"If we keep putting limitations on what we can play before we know it, no one will want to play BECAUSE of the limitations." -You
"I'm not asking for rdruid fcs to be banned, just maybe some testing or thought in general." -OP
"As stated in the OP, I'm not saying RESTO FC OP PLZ BAN, or begging for strats/consumables to fight them either. " -OP

 

[Allybeboba]

I didn't say you suggested a ban, that's very clearly the opposite of your argument.
Why would you say that?
And I, likewise, didn't suggest a ban. I've actually been trying to explain to you that that isn't the point of this thread.
If the past few pages are any indication, this thread should've been about theorizing other classes for the role of FC.
I only objected because you mentioned that we wanted to institute limitations, when it was stated we didn't.
"The solution many people here is if they don't like it or they can't accomplish it then it must be (A) banned (B) cheating (C) Both." -You
"If we keep putting limitations on what we can play before we know it, no one will want to play BECAUSE of the limitations." -You
"I'm not asking for rdruid fcs to be banned, just maybe some testing or thought in general." -OP
"As stated in the OP, I'm not saying RESTO FC OP PLZ BAN, or begging for strats/consumables to fight them either. " -OP

I will attack each of these one by one.
Yes you did. You stated specifically that was what I was suggesting. I even quoted your quote with you stating it on the last page.
Because you accused me of it that is why.
Did I accuse you personally of suggesting a ban of anything?
I stand by my A.B.C statement. Many people feel that way. Not all. I do not, obviously. There are more in this thread that feel this way as well.
I also stand by my limitations statement as well.

Where did I suggest a ban on anything?

Do we really have to go over my last post with you again? Sheesh. I though I made it gradeschool simple.
The OP asked a question. I answered it and gave a reason. JFC!!! People!!! How can it be any simpler.

I never suggested a ban. Other people did. I don't even know who these other people were without looking. I don't even care.

 

[anatomyx]

jesus dude get the hint and stop posting....

what started as an actual good thread got completely ruined by you arguing about nothing

 

[Shook]

I will attack each of these one by one.
Yes you did. You stated specifically that was what I was suggesting. I even quoted your quote with you stating it on the last page.
Because you accused me of it that is why.
Did I accuse you personally of suggesting a ban of anything?
I stand by my A.B.C statement. Many people feel that way. Not all. I do not, obviously. There are more in this thread that feel this way as well.
I also stand by my limitations statement as well.

Where did I suggest a ban on anything?

Do we really have to go over my last post with you again? Sheesh. I though I made it gradeschool simple.
The OP asked a question. I answered it and gave a reason. JFC!!! People!!! How can it be any simpler.

I never suggested a ban. Other people did. I don't even know who these other people were without looking. I don't even care.

Op asked "What if zombies were real."

You responded by saying "Zombies should never be real. Who even thinks about that. Stop living in your fantasy world and come back to earth."

 

[Allybeboba]

Ah, but you see.
I even suggested alternate strategies to taking down these "Zombies" and got the hot coal treatment. After all aren't we discussing something "other than Zombies".
I then went even further and suggested two more "Zombie style" classes specifically and even embellished on another helpful member's post. While all the while you all were busy, red faced with anger worrying about who uttered the b-word first and circle jerk liking each other's posts. kek...

 

[Shook]

Ah, but you see.
I even suggested alternate strategies to taking down these "Zombies" and got the hot coal treatment. After all aren't we discussing something "other than a Druid FC".
I then went even further and suggested two more "Zombie style" classes specifically and even embellished on another helpful member's post. While all the while you all were busy, red faced with anger worrying about who uttered the b-word first and circle jerk liking each other's posts. kek...

nononono

My zombie analogy is.... Zombies = No Rdruid (thread topic)

You went on to talk about no zombies.

 

[mfdoom]

I will attack each of these one by one.
Yes you did. You stated specifically that was what I was suggesting. I even quoted your quote with you stating it on the last page.
Because you accused me of it that is why.
Did I accuse you personally of suggesting a ban of anything?
I stand by my A.B.C statement. Many people feel that way. Not all. I do not, obviously. There are more in this thread that feel this way as well.
I also stand by my limitations statement as well.

Where did I suggest a ban on anything?

Do we really have to go over my last post with you again? Sheesh. I though I made it gradeschool simple.
The OP asked a question. I answered it and gave a reason. JFC!!! People!!! How can it be any simpler.

I never suggested a ban. Other people did. I don't even know who these other people were without looking. I don't even care.

No you didn't accuse me of suggesting a ban on anything. I added that bit to demonstrate that no one wants to ban rdruids. That wasn't the point of the thread.
When I said, "You guys just want to ban rdruids", I was not quoting you. Though it is in quotes, tis not a quote.
After reading your limitations statement and your ABC statement, that's what it seemed like you were saying, in a roundabout way.
But if you don't feel that way, I guess we have nothing to argue about.
G'day.

 

[Allybeboba]

prot pally doesn't seem that strong imo . passive only gives like 15% health 3% parry and 6% crit reduc over ret/holy but you take 10 % more damage than they do . not worth it imo

Prot warrior might be viable as it has 20% base damage . (0% damage reduc after bg debuf) shield wall is a 12 sec recharge 30% mele reduc. Prot warrior has hamstring and stomp for aoe slow. Last stand for 30% health increase cd. enraged regeneration and impendig victory for another 30% health or 15% on varying cds (combine enraed regeneration with victory rush glyph for 30% plus 22.5% health heals. charge gives mobility regardless of stacks . pally has 0 mobility after stacks.

Over all prot warrior just takes less damage (10%) and has more cd's than pally.

I have seen some really good PWs at end game in TP. Charge can be used quite effectively as a flag carrier. For the longest time PWs were practically a requirement.

 

[Donteventrii]

People really need to stop responding him.

 

[Adeimantus]

Allybeboba is so pointlessly combative, I love it.

 

[BACKPEDDLE]

you guys get trolled harder than dimebrew

 

[Karmaz]

you guys get trolled harder than dimebrew

 

[Allybeboba]

No you didn't accuse me of suggesting a ban on anything. I added that bit to demonstrate that no one wants to ban rdruids. That wasn't the point of the thread.
When I said, "You guys just want to ban rdruids", I was not quoting you. Though it is in quotes, tis not a quote.
After reading your limitations statement and your ABC statement, that's what it seemed like you were saying, in a roundabout way.
But if you don't feel that way, I guess we have nothing to argue about.
G'day.

"We" are not arguing. You all are arguing. That is, unless you have a mouse in your pocket.

 

[Batts]

[MENTION=11844]youbeezy[/MENTION] Can you lock this thread? What started out as an excellent thought experiment is kind of going by the wayside over a very, VERY pointless argument over whether or not somebody said something in particular.
[MENTION=13421]Allybeboba[/MENTION] -- OP here, confirming you're in the wrong side of whatever your argument is about here! Thanks!

To everyone involved, especially Livingforce, Anatomyx, housewife, Shook and a few others, thanks for participating and I think this was very refreshing and fun to think about. I might be starting up a conversation again in the future to thinktank about possible counters/shifts to what I believe we all would like to see a change from -- the dominant force of just zerging your whole team, and the results it imposes on the meta(boosts the perceived/effective power of some classes and specs, and diminishes others) but for now, I think this thread has seen it's logical conclusion. About 2 pages ago.

 

[Allybeboba]

[MENTION=11844]youbeezy[/MENTION] Can you lock this thread? What started out as an excellent thought experiment is kind of going by the wayside over a very, VERY pointless argument over whether or not somebody said something in particular.
[MENTION=13421]Allybeboba[/MENTION] -- OP here, confirming you're in the wrong side of whatever your argument is about here! Thanks!

To everyone involved, especially Livingforce, Anatomyx, housewife, Shook and a few others, thanks for participating and I think this was very refreshing and fun to think about. I might be starting up a conversation again in the future to thinktank about possible counters/shifts to what I believe we all would like to see a change from -- the dominant force of just zerging your whole team, and the results it imposes on the meta(boosts the perceived/effective power of some classes and specs, and diminishes others) but for now, I think this thread has seen it's logical conclusion. About 2 pages ago.

I did not argue against anything. I merely stated my opinion. An opinion can not be wrong.
I actually was one of the few that discussed exactly what you asked. It was others that led the thread astray. For whatever reason these individuals thought I stated that this thread was about "banning" Druids FCs. I have absolutely no idea where they came to that conclusion. For nowhere in my threads did I suggest banning Druid FCs. Others may have. I have a long history of the belief of not twinking should be a free for all. Meaning that absolutely nothing should be banned. I am sure some of my fellow TI members can back me up on that. As we have gotten into som heated discussions when they wanted to ban something and I disagreed with it.
I gave four different strategies.
Stated many possible different alternate classes/specs.
All while deflecting off topic comments. In fact, I kept steering the thread on topic whilst others kept derailing.

 

[Cipe]

Closing