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The Addon i use is actually kinda funny, its OQ. The feature is BG timers, it shows res timers, how many ppl are in each respective gy and fr ( ex : 3 horde in horde fr and 2 ally, addon shows 3x in fr). I havent used any other ab timers, but the one this has is really in-depth, showing each bases res timer, and base timers of course. res timers in ab are soo useful ! Apparently ppl like my addons, even tho i could never tell you where or how i got most of them, or how i set them up. Apparently Drunk-me is a master addon installer and set-upper
 
@ Bisonpower
Yes there Is, and I have it, but for the life of me I can’t find it on curse again, in my interface folder it is literally just called ‘restimers’

(My TI has been broken for a while now, so I can’t quote anyone specifically, so I’ll just use mentions)


(@ Lil)"That's how 10v10s are "supposed" to go", that's somewhat true. What will be happening each game is both teams clash mid for the majority of the game to fight for dominance, and sometimes a stalemate and tug of war for some time as each team waits for stacks on each FC. The problem thus far, is this tug of war has been going on for the entire game, regardless of FC stacks, or one team wiping the majority of the other.

To me, this is just from everyone being relatively inexperienced when it comes to f2p 10v10s... which is safe to say... because this is pretty much the first time it’s started happening. (and despite apparently popular belief, f2p 10v10s and rbgs, while being similar, are not the same thing.)


So the question is, can this problem (A mid fight circle jerk the entire game) be solved without any drastic changes to the rules? I think so, yes. What needs to happen is more discussion about strategy, (specifically tools each side can use to prevent stalling) which is exactly what this thread is about.

In my opinion, there are plenty of strategies each side can employ to stop a potential nonstop mid fight circle jerk, ill list some of them (I don't want to go into too much detail because it would make this way too long to read)

-Rogues: They have been underutilized so far, but the idea is, a good rogue (tbh a rogue in these games would have one of the more difficult jobs) would RARELY open, but instead try and keep the enemy healers from getting mana back (Sapping healers trying to drink, grabbing resto hut before healers can, etc etc)

- Backdooring: It has already been done a few times so far, but tbh has been poorly executed in general. The idea is, once the FC gets to enough stacks (6+), you send 2+ stealthies to try and global/assassinate the FC.

-Different team comps: Next week I am going to try playing my warrior as arms. The hesitation for either side using melee dps as of yet, is that they will just get blown up on the front line (They need to be right on the front line to do damage, so the entire enemy team can swap to them whenever). To counteract this, I plan on using a near full stam set (Going to be sitting at or around 2.4k hp base, with mark of tyranny equipped) and sitting defensive stance for most of the game. What they can potentially bring to the table is momentum. Once I get rage I can push in whenever I want, and apply mortal wounds to a target, not to mention mountains of damage for the next 20 seconds, which could mean wiping a substantial amount of the enemy team.

-Frost Mage- I think atm they are incredibly underutilized right now, a ranged frost nova can not only stop aggression, but it can also prevent a team from kiting back, which as I said before, can lead to a potential split res.


TL-DR? There are plenty of strategies to combat the nonstop mid fight circle jerk happening in games right now (ooming healers, assassinating FCs, etc etc), and talking about actual strategies to combat it is the first step to doing so.

Another reason melees aren't popular is cause to heal them you need to get in range of the enemy dps, which isn't something you want.
 
The Addon i use is actually kinda funny, its OQ. The feature is BG timers, it shows res timers, how many ppl are in each respective gy and fr ( ex : 3 horde in horde fr and 2 ally, addon shows 3x in fr). I havent used any other ab timers, but the one this has is really in-depth, showing each bases res timer, and base timers of course. res timers in ab are soo useful ! Apparently ppl like my addons, even tho i could never tell you where or how i got most of them, or how i set them up. Apparently Drunk-me is a master addon installer and set-upper

OQ requires you to verify your battletag, which a f2p account can't do :(

At least, I wasn't able to get it working.
 
try and get a hit on the disc whenever you can to stop them throwing out 1k bubbles due to the battle fatigue bug

oh and more importantly don't let any bloodthirsty pug hunters repick the flag
 
On a F2P account you can still use the bg timers :) , just toggle them

You're going to have to teach me how to do that! Haha. I kept getting the "You must verify your bnet on your WoW account page." error :O

It looks like a really cool addon, I'm just not sure how to customize it since it appears the main UI page is unaccessible.
 
Well, you know the OQ little circle (lol i dont know what else to call it) around your minimap, if your using defualt or most ui's that dont change minimap. You have to right click that and like 8-10 options pop up, one will be toggle timers. Then thats it lol, i never i messed with the settings of OQ, i dont know if u even can change the timers themselves
 
TL-DR? There are plenty of strategies to combat the nonstop mid fight circle jerk happening in games right now (ooming healers, assassinating FCs, etc etc), and talking about actual strategies to combat it is the first step to doing so.

I can't express how annoying it is that you and I can say basically the samething yet you get likes and people agreeing with you and I get ridiculed and continued "bashing/hating/negativity" comments.. I hate this forum sometimes..

P.S. you aren't mentioning the right way. You can't just link the persons page and put an @ infront of it :p It's simply @ sevenslacks7 OR [ mention]sevenslacks7[ /mention]
@ others asking why I haven't played, I've had to work almost everyday for the last month and when i haven't I've slept and/or had fun with realm friends and/or gone out with friends. This is Sunday only so I haven't had the chance to make it yet.


Not trying to bash or be negative about anything. The games are happening and HB introduced a "new" thing to this bracket but they don't look fun, sorry I'm giving my opinion? I'm giving my opinion since this thread is made for opinions and discussions and if I make the time to try and help y'all clearly I have interest in this or else like the other 90% of threads on here I'd just try and ignore. Old basically expanded on what I brought up so he seems to have the same thought as me but since y'all won't listen to me I'll just requote him and hope the leaders of these events will try and do something about the 20 minute mid derps

@ Bisonpower
Yes there Is, and I have it, but for the life of me I can’t find it on curse again, in my interface folder it is literally just called ‘restimers’

(My TI has been broken for a while now, so I can’t quote anyone specifically, so I’ll just use mentions)


(@ Lil)"That's how 10v10s are "supposed" to go", that's somewhat true. What will be happening each game is both teams clash mid for the majority of the game to fight for dominance, and sometimes a stalemate and tug of war for some time as each team waits for stacks on each FC. The problem thus far, is this tug of war has been going on for the entire game, regardless of FC stacks, or one team wiping the majority of the other.

To me, this is just from everyone being relatively inexperienced when it comes to f2p 10v10s... which is safe to say... because this is pretty much the first time it’s started happening. (and despite apparently popular belief, f2p 10v10s and rbgs, while being similar, are not the same thing.)


So the question is, can this problem (A mid fight circle jerk the entire game) be solved without any drastic changes to the rules? I think so, yes. What needs to happen is more discussion about strategy, (specifically tools each side can use to prevent stalling) which is exactly what this thread is about.

In my opinion, there are plenty of strategies each side can employ to stop a potential nonstop mid fight circle jerk, ill list some of them (I don't want to go into too much detail because it would make this way too long to read)

-Rogues: They have been underutilized so far, but the idea is, a good rogue (tbh a rogue in these games would have one of the more difficult jobs) would RARELY open, but instead try and keep the enemy healers from getting mana back (Sapping healers trying to drink, grabbing resto hut before healers can, etc etc)

- Backdooring: It has already been done a few times so far, but tbh has been poorly executed in general. The idea is, once the FC gets to enough stacks (6+), you send 2+ stealthies to try and global/assassinate the FC.

-Different team comps: Next week I am going to try playing my warrior as arms. The hesitation for either side using melee dps as of yet, is that they will just get blown up on the front line (They need to be right on the front line to do damage, so the entire enemy team can swap to them whenever). To counteract this, I plan on using a near full stam set (Going to be sitting at or around 2.4k hp base, with mark of tyranny equipped) and sitting defensive stance for most of the game. What they can potentially bring to the table is momentum. Once I get rage I can push in whenever I want, and apply mortal wounds to a target, not to mention mountains of damage for the next 20 seconds, which could mean wiping a substantial amount of the enemy team.

-Frost Mage- I think atm they are incredibly underutilized right now, a ranged frost nova can not only stop aggression, but it can also prevent a team from kiting back, which as I said before, can lead to a potential split res.


TL-DR? There are plenty of strategies to combat the nonstop mid fight circle jerk happening in games right now (ooming healers, assassinating FCs, etc etc), and talking about actual strategies to combat it is the first step to doing so.
 
[MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION]
I agree with you. I remember the first time a saw a video of a premade. I think it was 19s. My first reaction:
"That's it? This is what those forum heroes brag about for months? Derping in mid for 20 minutes. This looks really boring."

But the different reaction to your post and oldspikes is because of the tone. He is giving positive constructive crticism whereas you just sound bitter.

I only watched the first game. It was nice to hear someone called out. The number next to their bg targets increase and then die, Otherwise it wasn't really exciting.

I believe with more games there can actually be a strategy developed. Push left than flank right. Crowd control that knows what the other is doing. Faster hard switches maybe with a macro. This should make them almost instant and drop them faster.

/target CallOutPlayer
/assist

These are early games. And 10 vs 10 is chaos until players gain some experience and improve. If this keeps up and becomes a regular thing it has the potential for very fun games.

imho
 
The Addon i use is actually kinda funny, its OQ. The feature is BG timers, it shows res timers, how many ppl are in each respective gy and fr ( ex : 3 horde in horde fr and 2 ally, addon shows 3x in fr). I havent used any other ab timers, but the one this has is really in-depth, showing each bases res timer, and base timers of course. res timers in ab are soo useful ! Apparently ppl like my addons, even tho i could never tell you where or how i got most of them, or how i set them up. Apparently Drunk-me is a master addon installer and set-upper

Umm, its not an Blizz official page is it ?!
 
[MENTION=14218]Lil[/MENTION]
I agree with you. I remember the first time a saw a video of a premade. I think it was 19s. My first reaction:
"That's it? This is what those forum heroes brag about for months? Derping in mid for 20 minutes. This looks really boring."

But the different reaction to your post and oldspikes is because of the tone. He is giving positive constructive crticism whereas you just sound bitter.

I only watched the first game. It was nice to hear someone called out. The number next to their bg targets increase and then die, Otherwise it wasn't really exciting.

I believe with more games there can actually be a strategy developed. Push left than flank right. Crowd control that knows what the other is doing. Faster hard switches maybe with a macro. This should make them almost instant and drop them faster.

/target CallOutPlayer
/assist

These are early games. And 10 vs 10 is chaos until players gain some experience and improve. If this keeps up and becomes a regular thing it has the potential for very fun games.

imho

Sab is correct with this, the tone you use is going to be how everyone interprets what your actual statement is saying. That being said, keep in mind mid-strat is not being forced in these games.

There are many strats / times when going O v D is more advantageous. If your team has a "weaker" team when it comes to mid clash, you play defensively to get your fc across. At this point, generally the efc is across as well since u played defensively and traded flags. Land a kill or two on a DPS, push them back to around mid-field, dis-engage them so everyone is out of combat, have your fc retreat with however you want split.. There is nothing to stop the SC (strat caller) from doing this, but it is risky depending on how the opposing team treats it. Mid-strat at first seems like a boring type of game, but tons of exotic and interesting plays / strats can come from it once you think past globaling ppl. That is what this thread is for, if anyone has played 24s / 19s recently they will understand how boring mid-strat can be, because its so easy to global enemy dps and healers.

The F2P premades we've been having really offer a unique experience where it forces you to use those interesting and out of the box ideas. As others have said, with time the games will become increasingly a mind game and funner to watch. At the same time, just watching will never give you the same feeling as playing, the same with nearly everything in the world. One way i find to enjoy watching premades more, is to think of "if i was there what could i have done". Instead of just watching what they are doing im already thinking of whats something better that i could implement in that situation. Then you can really appreciate all the intriguing and fascinating ideas that can come from mid strat
 
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Wow I never knew about bg timers... amazing.

I would eyeball the other factions rezz and begin a manual count... 1 one thousand... 2 one thousand. ... 3 one thousand. .. 4 one thousand...etc

Problematic due to a personal challenge when counting exceeded double digits. In order to compensate I would reset myself just when I hit 10 and start over with the goal for a total 3 set of 10 reps.

Confusion would set in as I often see pets n hunters converging and multiple rogues ambushing... 9 one thousand wtf I haven't reached 10 how they rezz so fast!!!!
10 one thousand... BReATHe BiOTcH!!!! Noooo aaarrghhh.. R.I.P.
 
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I can't express how annoying it is that you and I can say basically the samething yet you get likes and people agreeing with you and I get ridiculed and continued "bashing/hating/negativity" comments.. I hate this forum sometimes..

P.S. you aren't mentioning the right way. You can't just link the persons page and put an @ infront of it :p It's simply @ sevenslacks7 OR [ mention]sevenslacks7[ /mention]
@ others asking why I haven't played, I've had to work almost everyday for the last month and when i haven't I've slept and/or had fun with realm friends and/or gone out with friends. This is Sunday only so I haven't had the chance to make it yet.


Not trying to bash or be negative about anything. The games are happening and HB introduced a "new" thing to this bracket but they don't look fun, sorry I'm giving my opinion? I'm giving my opinion since this thread is made for opinions and discussions and if I make the time to try and help y'all clearly I have interest in this or else like the other 90% of threads on here I'd just try and ignore. Old basically expanded on what I brought up so he seems to have the same thought as me but since y'all won't listen to me I'll just requote him and hope the leaders of these events will try and do something about the 20 minute mid derps

So no response to my @ thread @ you. You are entitled too your opinions. But lets be honest lil, F2p pug games are far worse the even as you say Hurp/derp mid strats. My question to you is. If you find what we do boring. Then what would you find f2p games...??? Like xxxx1000000 times worse? If so then why you play, unless you like kicking newbs with your little gang all day.
 
So no response to my @ thread @ you. You are entitled too your opinions. But lets be honest lil, F2p pug games are far worse the even as you say Hurp/derp mid strats. My question to you is. If you find what we do boring. Then what would you find f2p games...??? Like xxxx1000000 times worse? If so then why you play, unless you like kicking newbs with your little gang all day.

Lil that is your opinion, I think BG's should be played "witch ever way is most effective to win", F2p's that just started playing premades are being shown strong and effective way to play WSG. Yea you might think its predictable and what not. But I guarantee you, 70% plus games a team will always win because as what inoob said. It's about witch team can line up burst/cc/pushes etc...

Ok? I never said it wasn't the best chance to win? I never said anything other than it looks boring which it does and others have said the samething.

Why are you so negative about the games anyways? Beats playing with 90% bad players in pugs, unless you like killing noobs all day. You have to have quick reaction, good communication, good positioning to be on top of your game. And to strategies best how/when to take down FC. I'm 100% sure in pugs its just push buttons and noobs die. Only on the odd occasion you get a good/fair game.
Not trying to be negative but ever since my first post which I probably should have worded differently I've been trying to catch up with people throwing crap at me. Pugs aren't nearly as bad as you think they are and I've had off the top of my head 25 "premade like" atmospheres in the last 2 weeks alone. Having to have a quick reaction etc etc to take down the 24 premades or just a good ole F2P vs F2P 5v5. It looked nothing like what these premades do but I'd say it was more fun for the parties involved. Not saying these premades aren't fun by any means I was just trying to possibly bring up some ideas to help make them better

Also I don't see you competing in any of the games, all I see you do is always talking about these sorts of things on TI. Maybe you should play for once instead of being negative all the time, people are trying to create competitive fun games. Don't hate, appreciate!
If you must know I've been working my ass off (as ANYONE can say from my realm due to my lack of activity) for the past few months trying to get enough money to move out of my house and for the past month I've worked on Sundays. Not that I should give any reasoning anyways but hope this was enough response for you? If you feel like more responses feel free to PM me and we can chat about why I play or premade discussions
 
@[MENTION=7986]Livingforce[/MENTION] Lilhunter has never used voice communication why would you ask HER how to setup and play a team based game

It is true that our bg hero class could possibly be excluded from calling out CC/whatever because hunters are just so good they dont need to communicate but....I cant stress how important communication is in a team game

Anyways you are arguing about BG strats with someone who has never done any sort of rated pvp and is too scared to use Skype LOL
 
OQ requires you to verify your battletag, which a f2p account can't do :(

At least, I wasn't able to get it working.

Not sure if I'm reading this right, but if what you are saying is that you do not know your battletag, and thus cannot verify it, you could always DL hearthstone, or the battle.net app. One of those should be able to tell you what your tag is.
 
Not sure if I'm reading this right, but if what you are saying is that you do not know your battletag, and thus cannot verify it, you could always DL hearthstone, or the battle.net app. One of those should be able to tell you what your tag is.

No, I think the issue is that OQ attempts to auto detect your battletag, but is unable to do so since F2Ps don't have one visible.

At least, that's what the issue was for me. The Addon worked on my P2P instantly.
 
No, I think the issue is that OQ attempts to auto detect your battletag, but is unable to do so since F2Ps don't have one visible.

At least, that's what the issue was for me. The Addon worked on my P2P instantly.

Once again, you only need a battletag to make / join groups on OQ. You can still use the features of it without one, heck you can even look at the groups but u just can't join them.
 
Once again, you only need a battletag to make / join groups on OQ. You can still use the features of it without one, heck you can even look at the groups but u just can't join them.

Right. The features weren't the problem.

The constant flow of "Use your WoW Account Page to update your Battle.net Tag" spams in chat were kind of an issue though.

Also, I didn't see an easy way to customize my OQ UI. It seemed to me like the customization options were requiring me to enter a battle tag. Probably because when I clicked on them it said "Update your Battle.net Tag".

It seems like an extremely useful addon. If you have overcome the same problems on your F2P, I'd really appreciate any help you could provide.

Let me clarify once more: I have spent a decent amount of time trying a large variety of different solutions. I am aware of what features I do or do not have access to on OQ, but the customization and the stopping of spam messages seems to elude me.
 

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