Experiences yet? Class/spec viability 29, scaling and whatever

[Yndigo]

Affliction Warlock, 29. All and all; I love Affliction Warlocks, rogues and druids are a bloody pain in the arse which is why I'm making a balance stamina set in case I run into rogues or druids during BGs. In arenas with the high burst damage from double DPS comps; you melt instantly even in 3's if you are peeled for you won't last as long as a FoTM or a hybrid class. So; you have your place in competitive BGs, I'm sure perhaps in 5's or 3's with the right comp you will make it work; unfortunately I haven't yet. :<

Affliction doesnt work very well in arena, destro works really well in some comps though.

 

[CIHC]

Affliction doesnt work very well in arena, destro works really well in some comps though.

I'm masochistic and I will force myself to play the warlock I've dumped gold into. And I'm aware they don't do well in arenas, however, I've caught people off caught with dispelling UA and silencing the individual for 3-4 seconds. That could be game breaking, especially with stoneskin dispelling just about everything.

 

[Yndigo]

I'm masochistic and I will force myself to play the warlock I've dumped gold into. And I'm aware they don't do well in arenas, however, I've caught people off caught with dispelling UA and silencing the individual for 3-4 seconds. That could be game breaking, especially with stoneskin dispelling just about everything.

I've -had- a little bit of success playing affliction boomkin dpriest in 3s but destro and even demo to some extent works better in arena.

and theres only a few changes from affliction to destro gear not that hard to get!

 

[CIHC]

I've -had- a little bit of success playing affliction boomkin dpriest in 3s but destro and even demo to some extent works better in arena.

and theres only a few changes from affliction to destro gear not that hard to get!

I'd probably go Demo before Destro tbh Demo Leap Parachute isn't something to laugh at.

 

[ScatMan103]

Gonna hijack this thread cus I dont wanna make another thread for a simple question.

I've got a 29 pally with Skullbreaker on him. Is this of any use right now? I've heard prot isn't that good and ret is the way to go but with how OP skullbreaker is I'd like to use it if possible. If only I could trade it to a 29 rogue :/

 

[CIHC]

Gonna hijack this thread cus I dont wanna make another thread for a simple question.

I've got a 29 pally with Skullbreaker on him. Is this of any use right now? I've heard prot isn't that good and ret is the way to go but with how OP skullbreaker is I'd like to use it if possible. If only I could trade it to a 29 rogue :/

Ret>Prot in terms of damage. However when I saw that weapon I nostalgia'd so hard. That would be BiS for Prot Paladins no questions asked. Considering that there are no 5/5/5 weapons and the only thing relatively close is the Axe of Judgement Day, as well as the Battlemace of the Order further more, there are no strength, stam and crit BoA 1 handed maces. I'd say you have a BiS weapon for Prot since Ret is a 2 handed spec primarily.

However; in prot you will have more stamina than a Ret Paladin, you have a silence that can hit up to 3 people, you also gain Bladed Armor, Holy Wrath, along with Judgement of the Wise.

You may not hit as hard as a Ret, but you will have more survivability than a Ret. Just test around and see what you like/dislike. I can see you with literally, one of the strongest Prot Paladins all because; of that bloody Skullbreaker weapon.

 

[Faerondil]

Ret<Prot .

I think you have your greater than and less than confused.

 

[CIHC]

I think you have your greater than and less than confused.

By golly your right!

 

[Snack]

Affliction Warlock, 29.

Its really hard to say since I've only played a handful of BGs however; here is my opinion regardless.

Like in expansions past, your primary objective/goal is to throw as many bloody DoTs on as many bloody people as possible, ontop of fear botting the crap out of healers, FCs and peeling for healers. With soul burn and seed of corruption, you can (at times) without wasting the mana and time DoTTing individual people. Generally I try to DoT 3-5 people (minions/pets included) that are within range of the Seed's blast (10 yards). Other than that, you really have two primary options. Play offensive, DoT what you can, fear bot healers, Corrupt the enemies or defend your FC and fear bot people who are on them and/or the healers, making sure stealthies have DoTs on them even if they LoS and just trying to keep your FC and Healers up as much as possible.

On a positive note; Drain Life is a great way to attack enemies before they LoS, healthstone heals (me) for 1150 (roughly) and can double if you choose the right glyph. In 1v1 situations, you should swap out your glyph for Demon Training major glyph or Healthstone major glyph so you either wipe your DoTs from the enemy when you succubus seduces them, OR you get healed for roughly 2300 hp (which is half my lock's hp before wearing balance stamina set).

All and all; I love Affliction Warlocks, rogues and druids are a bloody pain in the arse which is why I'm making a balance stamina set in case I run into rogues or druids during BGs. In arenas with the high burst damage from double DPS comps; you melt instantly even in 3's if you are peeled for you won't last as long as a FoTM or a hybrid class. So; you have your place in competitive BGs, I'm sure perhaps in 5's or 3's with the right comp you will make it work; unfortunately I haven't yet. :<

How are destro and demo in arena/bg?

 

[CIHC]

How are destro and demo in arena/bg?

I have yet to touch those specs.

 

[Vehemity]

Ret>Prot in terms of damage. However when I saw that weapon I nostalgia'd so hard. That would be BiS for Prot Paladins no questions asked. Considering that there are no 5/5/5 weapons and the only thing relatively close is the Axe of Judgement Day, as well as the Battlemace of the Order further more, there are no strength, stam and crit BoA 1 handed maces. I'd say you have a BiS weapon for Prot since Ret is a 2 handed spec primarily.

However; in prot you will have more stamina than a Ret Paladin, you have a silence that can hit up to 3 people, you also gain Bladed Armor, Holy Wrath, along with Judgement of the Wise.

You may not hit as hard as a Ret, but you will have more survivability than a Ret. Just test around and see what you like/dislike. I can see you with literally, one of the strongest Prot Paladins all because; of that bloody Skullbreaker weapon.

Personally, I'd say Vibroblade is one of the strongest weapons for a prot, since plain weapon dps doesn't do a lot. A problem with prot is, they have the most crap mana regen ever. A ret can put out some insane healing numbers, a prot doesn't even come close.

 

[CIHC]

Personally, I'd say Vibroblade is one of the strongest weapons for a prot----

Come again? Since the post I was talking too said they had Skullbreaker. Or does the -94 armor truly make that big of a difference?

I don't personally play a Paladin, but I am fairly certain a GF'd Skullbreaker would trump a Vibroblade at 24 (again, if the person I was talking too was being legitimate and not just trolololoing me)

 

[Vehemity]

94 armor is a lot, and a lot of a prot pala's dmg isn't based on raw weapon dps.

 

[Snack]

Skullbreaker > Vibro no doubt

 

[CIHC]

94 armor is a lot, and a lot of a prot pala's dmg isn't based on raw weapon dps.

I'm aware damage isn't based on weapon dps. However; some if not most spells rely on spell power.

Here is where the problem where "BIS" comes into question or not since no one has done the testing in this extreme case. Since one person has a Skullbreaker which is technically BiS with 5 str'/5stam/5 crit, increase damage range and overall DPS value, the question is raised if Vibroblade's effect is worth the loss of damage, block rating, parry rating, and over all stamina. Since you do not have a Skullbreaker, we cannot accurately test this theory and problem out unless you feel obligated to become btag friends with the person I've been quoting and test out the differences on a 24 prot paladin.

This is where, a "to each their own" comes into play like in expansions past even with guild like Waw Tawent running around claiming to be best in slot. 94 armor against a cloth user, yea I can see armor literally dropping to 0 thus allowing more damage, on a leather user, not so much, but armor will still drop and allow for more damage, on a mail user, they will laugh at you especially if it is a Ret Paladin and stomp you into the ground most likely.

And as I said before (after I fixed my post) Ret>Prot in terms of Raw Damage.

 

[AlbinoCow]

Something is off with Borean tundra kits... Some items tooltip is +5 stam but gives +3 stam, ( I even applied them after wod ). I have 2 "toughened leather armor" one with borean tundra (5 stam) and one with heavy borean tundra (3 stam), however both give the same hp and stam. Tested it on a "stained shadowcraft tunic" and the same thing happened, they were only supplying 3 stam extra. Tested on "mystics robe" and it gave all 5 stamina on that piece. Can anybody else check their items and see the results? Quiet odd