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bankbeauty said:
If level 10 Are so Useless in BG, Explain me these things.



When I'm on Offense, Most of the time, the first target everyone Aim for is me.

When I'm on Defense, Helping my FC, The first target Offense go for, aren't the FC healer or the Fc himself, no, it's me.

When I'm in Middle, Either running or supporting the team, Enemy always go after me.



Let's states the facts that 10s Hater have been bringing Over and Over here.

1 Statement, Level 10 are useless in WSG

2 Statement, Level 10 Damage isn't close to a 19s damaging

3 Statement, Level 10 Take the spot of a useful Player

4 Statement, Level 10 Healing isn't good at all and can't support anything

5 Statement, Level 10 Can survive Way to long

6 Statement, Level 10 Ruins The Bracket.



Okay, First of all, Let's take Every Statement One by one.



Level 10 Are useless in WSG.

Ok, Level 10 are useless. I want you to tell me, If we're so 'useless' then why, most of the time, level 10 end with few deaths? If they were so useless, what's the point of killing them?..

Also, Tell yourself, If I'm getting Kill, The longer it takes for the enemy to kill me, the longer Enemy Dps are wasting time on a useless player.



Level 10 Damage isn't close to a 19s damaging

Ok again, If my damage input is so far beyond any 19s, then why even bother killing me when i'm going on offence?

When I'm heading towards Ally Tunnel, 'most' of the time, 2-3 Dps rage on me, instead of killing 19s. So you guys are stating that my dps is too low but kill me before the High Damage class? What's the point?..



Level 10 Take the spot of a useful Player

First of all, 'almost' all the time I get into a WSG I see some Epicly Fail twink 19 or some Not even close to BiS 19s and no one ever spoke about these. Also we're in a PuG, It's not like PuG are the ''Serious'' Shit anyway..

Back when Exp-off didn't exist, PuG Were nothing, So I don't get why Now since it's only Twink Vs. Twink PuG should be ''respected''. Yeah PuG are more challenging but far from Premade.



Level 10 Healing isn't good at all and can't support anything

If my healing is so bad, then why do you even bother killing me when i'm on Defense? Most of the time with Enemy get into our base and rush our FC, If they see me heal him, they'll quickly run on me. They rather kill me then the FC itself or FC healer.

Also, A lot of time I ended in the top 3 Healer in PuG and Often finishing First Healer on my Side. So If our healing is 'So' bad then why am I finishing first?



Level 10 Can survive Way to long

Now let's take the previous Statement. Healing or DPSing One. If my healing/Dps input is to low and that I'm a useless player, why do you bother killing me? I mean, how you're saying it, It's your damage and healing is to low and you're useless but I can't kill you. Why would you want to kill me?... Also Blizz already nerfed Resil and Killing us is now possible. If we get all the Resil/Dodge/Parry/Block possible to survive the longest possible, we do sacrifice lots of stats. That said, If I sacrifice healing stats to survive longer, that means I'll heal even less. Once again, why bother killing me?..



Level 10 Ruins The Bracket.

Atleast in 'US' I never saw more then 5 level 10 on 20 Players in WSG. If those 5 players Ruins the BG then explain me how come during Wotlk beginning when everyone was running with Legs/head Glitch Patch and Mining/Herb Maxed and Shoulder Enchant the BG wasn't ruined. 10s don't ruin the game, If you accept the fact that our damage or healing input isn't the best then don't bother wasting time on killing us. If you tell me, that ous Damage and healing is good enough to care take of it and decide to kill me, face the fact that i'm hard to kill. I'm not invincible, I'm hard to kill. But remember, The more time you waste on me, the more time you're not helping your team objectives.





Anyway, there is, and there will always be Haters.
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The way things currently are people want to kill the 10s 1st b/c they are the hardest to kill. b/c they are the hardest to kill they are a threat to become a FC. b/c of the way things currently are people are always harbor some hatred for lvl 10s, myself included. You made a choice at being a lvl 10. They should be nerfed or put into their own bracket where they will play games that always end in ties. Not screwing over others that want to play twinks the way they were meant to be.
 
Bankbeauty,



This has two different aspects to it that you need to understand, and that I don't think you're currently grasping;

I'm not saying 10s are useless, I'm stating the opposite if you have noticed. 10 twinks are too strong in general, however their damage can not match the current level 19 damage - regardless of screenshots of damage done (just because a warlock spreads dots doesn't mean he can kill something).



The burst needed to kill a level 10 healing himself is beyond belief, now if that's hard for a 19, imagine 10v10 lvl 10s trying to bring anything down.



That's all I'm saying, scary scenario (especially with the damage nerf incoming).



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@Secclusion



Using the term 'the way they were ment to be' is something I would refrain from if I was you. Twinking were never 'ment to be' it was just an 'unfortunate' side effect of brackets being introduced.



However, I do agree that it's quite annoying that 10s have to ruin something on a scale as large as this. There will always be imbalance, but nothing that so far have had the potential to destroy the bracket if exploited.
 
lindenkron said:
Bankbeauty,



This has two different aspects to it that you need to understand, and that I don't think you're currently grasping;

I'm not saying 10s are useless, I'm stating the opposite if you have noticed. 10 twinks are too strong in general, however their damage can not match the current level 19 damage - regardless of screenshots of damage done (just because a warlock spreads dots doesn't mean he can kill something).



The burst needed to kill a level 10 healing himself is beyond belief, now if that's hard for a 19, imagine 10v10 lvl 10s trying to bring anything down.



That's all I'm saying, scary scenario (especially with the damage nerf incoming).
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I understand your point And I never said No to a Resil Nerf. I'm just against everyone raging over 10s like we wanted that and crutching on it. If Blizz gave resil at 19s I give my 2 cents that everyone would get max resil. Now, Resil is good for us and so we use it, Don't hate on us because we use something Blizz implented.



Secclusion said:
The way things currently are people want to kill the 10s 1st b/c they are the hardest to kill. b/c they are the hardest to kill they are a threat to become a FC. b/c of the way things currently are people are always harbor some hatred for lvl 10s, myself included. You made a choice at being a lvl 10. They should be nerfed or put into their own bracket where they will play games that always end in ties. Not screwing over others that want to play twinks the way they were meant to be.
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Back when we had no Resil No1 ever hated 10s. Also, I understand when you say there's a chance that I get to FC yes, but Hey! If you waste shitloads of time on killing me instead of my FC it was literely useless to kill me. Also when I'm running in the middle and getting farmed, I doubt people are killing because I might go FC...And Yes I made the choice of being a 10s, but that was WAY before 4.0.1 WAY before Wotlk and it was still in the end of 1.X.X Patch. I don't want to be in a 10 only bracket, but if it happens, Alright I'll deal with that.



Quinp said:
Bankbeauty if you love your 10 that much then go back to your old gear and say fuck resilience
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75% of the time I run with my Crit Gear.

If I'm getting Farm over and over because people Hates 10s now and think we're all impossible to kill, I get piss and run with resil.
 
Quinp said:
Bankbeauty if you love your 10 that much then go back to your old gear and say fuck resilience
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75% of the time I run with my Crit Gear.

If I'm getting Farm over and over because people Hates 10s now and think we're all impossible to kill, I get piss and run with resil.
 
in my guild our BG leader wants one or two 10's in there cause the other team waste so much time goin "i hate lvl 10's lets farm him" they forget about the little but important WSG stratagies. rouges are bad for it cause they see a low hp target and wanna one shot it. lol the they wonder why they lost the match. to many ppl out there that arnt team players (twinks are bad for it), and from my expierence then they are the first to complain. instead of complaining about the dishng hat get a preist with it get on his and get on his team cause we all need heals :) just my thougths on the subject.
 
bankbeauty said:
If level 10 Are so Useless in BG, Explain me these things.



When I'm on Offense, Most of the time, the first target everyone Aim for is me.

When I'm on Defense, Helping my FC, The first target Offense go for, aren't the FC healer or the Fc himself, no, it's me.

When I'm in Middle, Either running or supporting the team, Enemy always go after me.



Let's states the facts that 10s Hater have been bringing Over and Over here.

1 Statement, Level 10 are useless in WSG

2 Statement, Level 10 Damage isn't close to a 19s damaging

3 Statement, Level 10 Take the spot of a useful Player

4 Statement, Level 10 Healing isn't good at all and can't support anything

5 Statement, Level 10 Can survive Way to long

6 Statement, Level 10 Ruins The Bracket.



Okay, First of all, Let's take Every Statement One by one.



Level 10 Are useless in WSG.

Ok, Level 10 are useless. I want you to tell me, If we're so 'useless' then why, most of the time, level 10 end with few deaths? If they were so useless, what's the point of killing them?..

Also, Tell yourself, If I'm getting Kill, The longer it takes for the enemy to kill me, the longer Enemy Dps are wasting time on a useless player. And when enemy waste time on me, it gives my team more time to deal with the action



Level 10 Damage isn't close to a 19s damaging

Ok again, If my damage input is so far beyond any 19s, then why even bother killing me when i'm going on offence?

When I'm heading towards Ally Tunnel, 'most' of the time, 2-3 Dps rage on me, instead of killing 19s. So you guys are stating that my dps is too low but kill me before the High Damage class? What's the point?..



Level 10 Take the spot of a useful Player

First of all, 'almost' all the time I get into a WSG I see some Epicly Fail twink 19 or some Not even close to BiS 19s and no one ever spoke about these. Also we're in a PuG, It's not like PuG are the ''Serious'' Shit anyway..

Back when Exp-off didn't exist, PuG Were nothing, So I don't get why, Now, since it's only Twink Vs. Twink, PuG should be ''respected''. Yeah PuG are more challenging than before but still far from Premade.



Level 10 Healing isn't good at all and can't support anything

If my healing is so bad, then why do you even bother killing me when i'm on Defense? Most of the time when Enemy get into our base and rush our FC, If they see me heal him, they'll quickly run on me. They rather kill me then the FC itself or the FC healer. So is everyone fucking retarded or do they bother about my healing input?

Also, A lot of time, I ended in the top 3 Healer in PuG and I'm Often finishing First Healer on my Side. So If our healing is 'So' bad then why am I finishing first?



Level 10 Can survive Way to long

Now let's take the previous Statement. Healing or DPSing One. If my healing/Dps input is to low and that I'm a useless player, why do you bother killing me? I mean,now how you're saying it, It's: your damage and healing is to low and you're useless but I can't kill you, it takes to much time. Why would you want to kill me if you think my dps and healing is useless?... Also Blizz already nerfed Resil and Killing us is now possible. If we get all the Resil/Dodge/Parry/Block possible to survive the longest possible, we do sacrifice lots of stats. That said, If I sacrifice healing stats to survive longer, that means I'll heal even less. Once again, why bother killing me?..



Level 10 Ruins The Bracket.

Atleast in 'US' I never saw more then 5 level 10 on 20 Players in WSG. If those 5 players Ruins the BG then explain me how come during Wotlk beginning when everyone was running with Legs/head Glitch Patch and Mining/Herb Maxed and Shoulder Enchant the BG wasn't ruined. 10s don't ruin the game, If you accept the fact that our damage or healing input isn't the best then don't bother wasting time on killing us. If you tell me, that our Damage and healing is good enough to care take of it and decide to kill me, face the fact that i'm hard to kill. I'm not invincible, I'm hard to kill. But remember, The more time you waste on me, the more time you're not helping your team objectives.





Anyway, there is, and there will always be Haters.
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Statement 1, Resilience



Statement 2, Because everything hates you



Statement 3, Fair doos, I don't rage at 10s in BG chat, same as how I don't rage @ levelers trying to have a bit of fun



Statement 4, If they nuke a level 10, then yes, they are retarded; should just focus on the 19 FC/his real support. Obviously this doesn't mean ignoring any healing class, since anything can derp chain cast heals; and it isn't like 10s can oom either. Also, if you're higher on the Healing meters, the 19 healers in your BG are a) Sub Par, b) have a hard time, since they are the ones taking all the CC and c) refer to B, but also take into account the fact that some people could just ignore you and let you chain heal. Chain cast healing between a 10 and a 19 over a semi short period of time; the 19 wins.



Statement 5, Players shouldn't be nuking you; yet again, I'll treat you like any other player I'll see in the BG, and throw an AS at you, meaning you die. You heal, yes, but for smaller amounts; you can't be ignorant of this. But 19s will always be more useful due to their actual damage/burst output and their healing burst output and utility.



Statement 6, People shouldn't be popping every CD to kill you. 10s v 10s, it's the same as 19 Holy Pals vs 19 Holy Pals; what's the point. Too many of each on either side, and it's just redic.



I don't "hate" on 10s; I just don't see that they bring anything to proper team play, and after all, WSG is a 10v10 team game.



bankbeauty said:
I understand your point And I never said No to a Resil Nerf. I'm just against everyone raging over 10s like we wanted that and crutching on it. If Blizz gave resil at 19s I give my 2 cents that everyone would get max resil. Now, Resil is good for us and so we use it, Don't hate on us because we use something Blizz implented.
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All the new 10s do crutch on it; and yes, they're all fucking awful. It's the same when I see GOD FUCKING AWFUL Holy Paladins derping through WSG, being all game "carrying" and all. I'd mention a few names, but it isn't needed right now. Those people sicken me, as, I hope, new level 10s do to you.



bankbeauty said:
Back when we had no Resil No1 ever hated 10s. Also, I understand when you say there's a chance that I get to FC yes, but Hey! If you waste shitloads of time on killing me instead of my FC it was literely useless to kill me. Also when I'm running in the middle and getting farmed, I doubt people are killing because I might go FC...And Yes I made the choice of being a 10s, but that was WAY before 4.0.1 WAY before Wotlk and it was still in the end of 1.X.X Patch. I don't want to be in a 10 only bracket, but if it happens, Alright I'll deal with that.
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Even then people didn't like the idea, but all the downies that went "OOH A LVL 10 LES PWN HIM EHEHEHEH" could sometimes get kills on you, in numbers of course. While I don't condone any kind of stupid mid farm philosophy such as that; it is pretty wrong that Twinked/Semi Twinked 19s, 1-3 of them, can't bring down a level 10.



bankbeauty said:
75% of the time I run with my Crit Gear.

If I'm getting Farm over and over because people Hates 10s now and think we're all impossible to kill, I get piss and run with resil.
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Level 10s have really just dug themselves into a hole. Too many have simply overused Resilience, infuriating too many. There was, on occation, 2-3 people in BGs that would seek out level 10s. Now due to the mass use of Resilience, by almost every level 10, there's a hell of alot more people trying to "bring down" a 10.



Of course these people are fucking unevolved, but it means that you can't run around having fun in good, proper level 10 sets. The majority of time you're forced to equip Resilience, simply because the majority in this community dislike Resilience 10s.



And the cycle repeats.
 
PUG damage

Yes it's a Pug - yes I use resilience gear - yes there have been many swings in classes which are more "OP" than others - yes all I play is 10's.



peter.jpg




17 k more damage. . . as a 10
 
lindenkron said:
However, I do agree that it's quite annoying that 10s have to ruin something on a scale as large as this. There will always be imbalance, but nothing that so far have had the potential to destroy the bracket if exploited.
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This is the type of general commentary about 10's that I dislike and disagree with. Yes there will always be imbalances, but, I'd rather see one opposing level 10 then 6-8 rogues per team, or hunters, or paladins, or whatever fotm class is currently op. Class imbalance is far worse than any problems that level 10's bring. If level 10's were so broken...............everyone would play them and you'd see 6-8 per team. You don't see that now even when everyone is saying they are the "most op thing evar!" You didn't even see that when the enti's bug was going on. It's never happened in the history of WoW. You never will see it.



Because level 10's are not, nor have the ever been, nor will they ever be the most op thing going. The whole challenge of playing them is competeting with less. Less spells, less talents, less gear. For example, as of 4.0.1 I play my warrior at level 26 instead of 29.......because hamstring is all I really need. The gimmick is using your utility spells effectively to compete against people who have an advantage over you. And make no mistake, 19's always have the advantage.



As of 4.0.1 level 10's are actually the weakest they have ever been, outside of vanilla. Sure they have good survivability............and.......not much else (haste hunter/shaman, avoidence rogue/warrior excluded) As of 4.0.1 level 10's lost all their good utility spells, which is what makes them viable in the first place. Take away the utility and they are just mobile training dummies. Especially after 4.0.3 and spell damage/healing based on level. Damage output is almost non-exsistant from level 10's, with a few exceptions and those builds are not highly survivable.



When building a premade people aren't going to requiring level 10's fill their fc role, and it's not because of some sort of hatred towards level 10's. Is because 19's are generally better. A level 10 can only hold the flag. They have no spells to do other things if called upon. Because of the lack of utility, they will be passed up time and time again. Unless the level 10 provides a natural counter to a premade you expect to be facing, then there are better choices in general. Against rogue heavy opposition, level 10's are the best fc choice. Beyond that, you are better picking a 19 druid or pally



Since 4.0.1 you can't honestly say a level 10 fc has ruined more games than teams comprised of 5+ rogues. You couldn't even say that in the case of op hunters vs enti's, and level 10's were more abundant then.
 
this thread is now about korean midgets.
 
Ioerror said:
Yes it's a Pug - yes I use resilience gear - yes there have been many swings in classes which are more "OP" than others - yes all I play is 10's.



peter.jpg




17 k more damage. . . as a 10
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your keybinds are cute.
 
Nohealsforju said:
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am i doing this right?
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i liked the part with the korean midgets.
 
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