top1
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As far as I know other Agility dual-wielders want https://www.wowhead.com/item=156999/mokmorokks-headcracker and https://www.wowhead.com/item=156998/cudgel-of-naralex, but does the slowness of these maces make a difference to monks?
Does weapon speed matter for WW Monks?
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Asylum
for the Insane
for arenas, i would go:
https://www.wowhead.com/item=791/gnarled-ash-staff until you get your leg sweep off, then weapon-swap to https://www.wowhead.com/item=9477/the-chiefs-enforcer.
in BGs:
just https://www.wowhead.com/item=9477/the-chiefs-enforcer all the time, probably.
weapon swapping going to be rough with DW.
(plus the 2H cata AGI enchant "Mighty Agility" is +17 in BGs/Arenas)
https://www.wowhead.com/item=791/gnarled-ash-staff until you get your leg sweep off, then weapon-swap to https://www.wowhead.com/item=9477/the-chiefs-enforcer.
in BGs:
just https://www.wowhead.com/item=9477/the-chiefs-enforcer all the time, probably.
weapon swapping going to be rough with DW.
(plus the 2H cata AGI enchant "Mighty Agility" is +17 in BGs/Arenas)
Warglave
Veteran
I love that thing....
OP
OP
top1
Member
Maybe another silly question: if I get unlucky with the quest rewards and neither procs purple should I just use https://www.wowhead.com/item=27846/claw-of-the-watcher ?
With no sub I doubt I can get my hands on https://www.wowhead.com/item=791/gnarled-ash-staff. Also is +10 versatility really that powerful? So far just eye-balling versatility stats it feels underwhelming, but I have only done PvE stuff.
With no sub I doubt I can get my hands on https://www.wowhead.com/item=791/gnarled-ash-staff. Also is +10 versatility really that powerful? So far just eye-balling versatility stats it feels underwhelming, but I have only done PvE stuff.
Hashbrowns
Legend
Here are it's scaled stats for 20
It has the best chance to drop from the Bullfrog in RFK.
Goesid
Twink Info Legend
Yes green and blue still worth, and you only want main hand, you can use statstick like claw in oh.
Chops
Soccer Dad
yea, gotta stress... theyre both still really good without an upgrade. If you feel like rerolling, sure i guess. Seems like a chore to me and its wildly unnecessary.
mirrorbender
Grandfathered
Actually, claw of the watcher or blackout truncheon with 2x3 main stat gems is basically the same for damage as a green cudgel.
Green Cudgel: 11.5 avg damage/2.6 (x6) = 26.54 ability damage contribution from weapon damage
+3 main stat gives 29.54
Claw/Truncheon: 9 avg damage/2.6 (x6) = 20.77 ability damage contribution from weapon damage
+3 main stat +6 more from gems gives 29.77. Truncheon gives +1 more AP as socket bonus so 30.77
On top of this, auto attack damage will be a tiny bit better with claw/truncheon due to higher ilvl and therefore WDPS. The gems will contribute to your off hand attack power too, whereas the weapon damage on cudgel will not. Cudgel does give stamina though, whereas the gem options give none unless you use gems with less main stat.
for comparison:
Blue Cudgel (or Headcracker): 12.5 avg damage +3 main stat gives 31.85 ability damage contribution
Epic Cudgel (or Headcracker): 13 avg damage +3 main stat gives 33 ability damage.
Green Cudgel: 11.5 avg damage/2.6 (x6) = 26.54 ability damage contribution from weapon damage
+3 main stat gives 29.54
Claw/Truncheon: 9 avg damage/2.6 (x6) = 20.77 ability damage contribution from weapon damage
+3 main stat +6 more from gems gives 29.77. Truncheon gives +1 more AP as socket bonus so 30.77
On top of this, auto attack damage will be a tiny bit better with claw/truncheon due to higher ilvl and therefore WDPS. The gems will contribute to your off hand attack power too, whereas the weapon damage on cudgel will not. Cudgel does give stamina though, whereas the gem options give none unless you use gems with less main stat.
for comparison:
Blue Cudgel (or Headcracker): 12.5 avg damage +3 main stat gives 31.85 ability damage contribution
Epic Cudgel (or Headcracker): 13 avg damage +3 main stat gives 33 ability damage.
Chops
Soccer Dad
Are these calculations monk specific? because the difference in tooltip dmg between my green cudgel and my blackout truncheon is ~5 (depending on ability) in the cudgels favor and this would indicate it should be about 1 in the truncheons favor.
Interestingly, I got those numbers just swapping the two weapons between MH/OH. Using any other weapon in OH with one of those in MH results in far lower tooltip dmg but also indicates the truncheon as better than the Cudgel. But the two of them combined are better than any of the other combination I can make (including the higher ilvl SSO sword) and cudgel mh/truncheon oh is the better of the two possibilities.
mirrorbender
Grandfathered
They should apply to any class. You have a green cudgel and a truncheon with 2x +3 main stat gems, correct?
The first thing that jumps out about your scenario is that when you have truncheon in your off hand, you are still getting the full fat +6 strength from the gems. It sounds to me like thats what's going on. To make it a true apples to apples comparison, you need a control in your off hand, and like you said, when you do that truncheon comes out slightly ahead.
Truncheon + claw of the watcher with all+3 stat gems should give a (very slightly) better tooltip than green cudgel + truncheon.
The first thing that jumps out about your scenario is that when you have truncheon in your off hand, you are still getting the full fat +6 strength from the gems. It sounds to me like thats what's going on. To make it a true apples to apples comparison, you need a control in your off hand, and like you said, when you do that truncheon comes out slightly ahead.
Truncheon + claw of the watcher with all+3 stat gems should give a (very slightly) better tooltip than green cudgel + truncheon.
Cattywompus
Veteran
So is dw monk the way, or 2h monk?
blue09
Legend
Dw only if you are after a proc based build and you going for elemental force or (due to recent bug) crusader (bleah!).
Edit:I swear to god, I hope they fix it because almost any melee spec would use crusader just for beeing able to solo shit easier.
Cattywompus
Veteran
Thanks man! It is definitely aids, lol. I haven't seem any monks with crusader, tons of dh
mirrorbender
Grandfathered
Here's a quick and dirty spreadsheet I did on 2H vs DW options. For monks, most of your abilities scale with the composite ability damage, however fists of fury scales with main hand ability damage only. I am assuming +3 main stat gems in all sockets. My take is that DW options generally seem a bit better, but everyone can draw their own conclusions.
Cattywompus
Veteran
Awesome!!! Thank you! I might MH mok, and oh garrosh axe and try out the 2 staves